Daydreaming again: THoughts on an E36?

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Yes, daydreaming again. On my way home last night I caught an E36 BMW 3-er. I might get some good employment soon, and suddenly, it's looking a little reachable. Form the looks of things It's probably a 318 (White/Much black plastic). I might stop by and give it a peek, but does anyone have any thoughts on this car?
 
I've had three of them. What do you want to know?


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A few years ago my dad took his friend's E36 out for a spin. I believe it was the 328i, and we were both very impressed with it. I believe it was the car that made us start thinking about getting a new car that led us to the VW. I'd say that and the 323 would be good cars to look into.

I think that the general opinion on the 318 hatch isn't all that great though.
 
Seen one with a still quiet, but not stock exhaust tonight. They sound pretty tough and I hear they handle well, so why not.:)
 
Well, there's two primary barriers: price and Insurance.

Right now, I just finished with a minimum-wage Temp position. I can't really afford much more than the Nova right now. but there are a few offers on the table, and hopefully I'll get SOMETHING that pays decently.

Other issues include
Reliability? and what about parts affordability in the states?
It's probably a 318i, and an early one, at that. That a good engine?
Is it a stick or not? That I'll have to figure out on my own.
 
Most people actually prefer a later E30 to an earlier E36. Unfortunately, prices are really reflecting that these days. E30s used to be incredible bargains but they're getting thin on the ground at the moment.

That means the E36 is actually cheaper right now, for a newer car.

///M-Spec can go into much greater detail, but unless you have a recent service history on the car, budget a few hundred to a thousand bucks for a new radiator, expansion tank, water pump, and timing belt. The radiator, tank, and hoses are relatively easy DIY. Water pump and timing belt (do them together) may require a pro, depending on your skill and facility availability. I could do them myself, but not if I needed the car to get to work the next day.

It will eventually need suspension work to get back into tiptop shape, but that can wait a bit if the car tracks straight and doesn't shake.
 
Actually, I'm looking to buy E36 coupe, 325is at that when I get to US. I've driven one here, and on the very instant I sat in it I knew that it was something different. the manual gearbox is the way to go, it's accurate and has nice, sporty feeling to it. it has comfortable, snug feeling and I somehow had no problems at telling where the corners of the car were and what was happening in the suspension. if there is a word to describe the feeling, it would be integration. and since this car is about 10 years old and probably outperformed by current hot hatches, I'd say the insurance will be reasonable, and parts should be available with minor trouble. there are also few excellent sites about how to DIY maintenance on the E36.
 
The primary problem on the insurance front would be availability of parts: they have an entire ocean to cross, and the Dollar's weak. BMW is also a "Premium" brand over here, which will jack the insurance up further.

If I get the gumption, I'll take a look at it.
 
Reliability?

With the exception of the early (92-94) M42 318, E36s have generally pretty strong powertrains. The documented weak spots are mostly in the M50/M52 six holers; water pump, radiator, fan clutch and VANOS units.

Manual trannys are very strong and will run for a long long time if taken care of. Not sure about autos, though.

All E36s have documented weak spots in the rear suspension. Specifically, the rear toe bushing, subframe mounts and rear shock mounts should be inspected prior to purchase.

But here's a nice thing about the E36. It's fast become a classic BMW. Aftermarket support is very strong on this car and people are keeping them running. So OEM parts are easy to find and fairly priced (about the same as equivalant parts on a typical Japanese import). The weak spots in the rear suspension have "repair and reinforment kits" readily available.

If you have DYI inclinations and are marginally mechanically adept, you should have no trouble wrenching on the car yourself. Or find an indy mechanic who knows the work.

and what about parts affordability in the states?

About the same as a comparable Japanese import. +E36s have been around a long time. +BMW made a lot of them. +People are still keeping them running. = you win.

It's probably a 318i, and an early one, at that. That a good engine?

There is one well known issue with the head/timing case gasket --called a "profile gasket" on 92-94 cars. Short version is the gaskets are defective and are almost guaranteed to fail over time, shooting coolant everywhere. A new part superseded the old part. I would suspect that any '92-94 318 still running today has the new gasket, but you should be careful the car is documented. Otherwise, take $1,500 off the price of the car, no exceptions.

Do a search for "BMW M42 profile gasket" for more info. I don't know of any other weak areas on the M42, though I believe they share the same radiator design as the sixes, so look at that too.

Is it a stick or not? That I'll have to figure out on my own.

IMO, the E36 is really far better suited to the torquey M50/M52 six banger. The M42 was not a bad motor, but doesn't really have the grunt to motivate the 2890 lb. body. With a stick, it can be fun, since the gearing on a 318 is so short it is absurd.

If it is not a stick, I advise you move on until you find one. E36 318 + auto = tragic fail.

I would think the price difference between a 325 and 318, all else being equal amounts to very little. Maybe a +/- 800 bucks. Not much difference over the time of ownership. And keep in mind you'll probably get that money back when you sell it.

A clean well running '93-95 325is 5-speed w/average mileage can be had in most markets for under $6,000 easy. So unless you find a raging deal on a super clean 318, I don't see why you'd settle for an M42.


EDIT: I've had a '92 325is, '95 M3 Coupe and '98 M3 Sedan. All 5-speeds. They were excellent cars, each and every one. I have nothing but very warm thoughts and good feelings when I think back on E36 ownership. I also had an E30 325e. Many people might disagree, but I think the E36 is simply a superior car in every single way.


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I've always considered the E36 to be one of the few BMWs I could afford that I would actually want, my old roommate has a '93 325i 5 speed which despite the usual (water pump and radiator, timing belt had already been done when she got it) has been a great, reliable, fun to drive car. like M already said, I would keep an eye out for a 325i with some documents to go with it over the 318i (I've driven both and the 318i could definitely benefit from a power bump :dopey:). However if the 318i is priced right and looks to be in good shape then jump on it! One thing to remember about at least the 325i and possibly the 318i as well is that premium fuel is best. Mspec may be able to clarify whether that applies to the 4bangers as well. Overall I would definitely recommend one of these and I haven't even owned one of them yet... 👍
 
Uh...

Well, thanks for the info, guys, but I'm Probably not gonna get this one.

You see, it was the rare 325i "GT-R." One of one.

Why?

Because the previous owner had stuck Nissan GT-R badges all over the godforsaken thing. One on each front fender, one on the rear just below "325i." sO IT HaZ LEIk 3000WHP BeEYAtCH.

It also had some cheap "Racing" pinstripes, and a cheap chrome exhaust tip. Oh, yes and the chrome trim around the fenders...causing the car to rust there. or hiding it, one of the two.

Just to see if this fine candidate for the Questionable Modifications thread had any redeeming features, I looked in. Auto.

I didn't bother looking at the price. I'm pretty sure if it has that crap on it, it's not worth the trouble of dealing with a total idiot.
 
They are easy to find. If you want one, there is no reason to stop looking because of one nasty example. :)


EDIT:
...my old roommate has a '93 325i 5 speed which despite the usual (water pump and radiator, timing belt had already been done when she got it)

:odd: M50 has all chain driven timing... no belts to change.


M
 
yeah she actually mentioned that last night, I guess I just heard belt when she told me originally.
 
Yeah, I'll keep on looking, probably for a manual 318, for the lower expense.

I'll put it on the list with the Miata and 86. (still holding out hope. IF one shows up around here, it'll be deeply discounted: no-one will know what it is!)
 
just for fun, add MR2.. dirt cheap and more fun than either Miata and 86, and doesn't suffer from JDM tofudrift tax..
 
I'll see If I can find one...the AW11s are a little unstable, though, aren't they? SWB with MR...
 
Try a fourth- or fifthgen civic...nice cars for a reasonable price and there's so much to do with them...
 
NO THANKS. WRONG WHEEL DRIVE.

Sorry for the strong reaction. Yes, I know, Civics are fine cars, but, damn it, I want something FR/MR, just once in my life, and the only thing Honda offers is the S2000, which is a bit pricey...and the NSX, which is in "Established Adults Only" territory.
 
Ironically it looks like my friend may be buying a '97 318 cabrio today...
 
Yeah, I'll keep on looking, probably for a manual 318, for the lower expense.
for the lose.

seriously, youd rather save up a little more and get the 325is if not the is than the 318.

the only 318 worth buying IMO is the last year (so about 92) E30 318is. not the 318i. but the is.
 
NO THANKS. WRONG WHEEL DRIVE.

Sorry for the strong reaction. Yes, I know, Civics are fine cars, but, damn it, I want something FR/MR, just once in my life, and the only thing Honda offers is the S2000, which is a bit pricey...and the NSX, which is in "Established Adults Only" territory.

Established Adults Only? I'd say "Very Rich Adults Only." Them things are what? $70,000 USD?
 
when new yes the NSX was certainly much more expensive but now you can find them for very reasonable money, especially considering what you get for it... I'm sure it would still be money Prower isn't willing to spend but they are more within reach than you would think.


So my friend just called and said he bought the 318 cab, do these take premium? Also can the rear window be replaced without replacing the top?
 
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