Did you know the Jaguar X-Type sucks?

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It's total poo.

The base model ($29300) with a manual transmission is slower to sixty than a Ford Taurus DOHC with an automatic transmission ($22500). By 0.3 seconds. Of course, that's assuming you can find a base X-Type with a manual. 95% are automatics. Not only does that raise the base price to $31000, but it slows down acceleration. And without a manual shift gate, it's now slower to sixty than the Taurus by about 0.6 seconds. But of course the X-Type handles better, right? Vaguely. Not $8000 better. Not even $2000 better. And the X-Type has more stuff? Well, it would, if it had more stuff. But it doesn't. The only option (aside the automatic transmission) is a $1750 power sunroof, an $895 option on the Taurus.

In fact, the X-Type is such poo that it doesn't even have stuff that rivals have standard. Or optional. 6-disc CD changer? $185 on the Taurus; unavailable on the Jaguar. Traction control? Not available on the X-Type, but $175 on the Taurus (yes, I know the X-Type has all-wheel drive. Sue me). And we've already covered the sunroof, $855 cheaper on the Taurus. Though that sunroof is only $855 more expensive on the Jaguar because it's part of a package that includes a split-folding rear seat ... just $140 on the Taurus. So you're still getting raped.

The Jaguar X-Type is poo. The Jaguar X-Type is poo. The Jaguar X-Type is poo. The Jaguar X-Type is poo. The Jaguar X-Type is poo.

Utter poo.

Oh, and the Taurus has a larger engine which makes nine more horsepower whose peak is 1300RPM lower (in fact, Jaguar adopts Honda's problem here - peak power comes at 6800RPM, and with an automatic basically standard, you're not going to be hitting peak power very often) and 29 more lb-ft of torque. And it gets better fuel economy. In fact, the Taurus, which is a 4-speed automatic only, gets better fuel economy than the X-Type with either its 5-speed automatic or its 5-speed manual.

The Taurus also has a larger trunk and more front head room, rear head room, and rear leg room.

The Jaguar X-Type is poo. The Jaguar X-Type is poo. The Jaguar X-Type is poo. The Jaguar X-Type is poo.

Have we mentioned that the Jaguar X-Type is poo?

This thread is for discussing the Jaguar X-Type, which is poo.
 
The Jaguar X-Type is a Ford. That's enough to steer me away :rolleyes:
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I think that may have been my point, and my reason for originally making this thread, but then I realise the 'rus is actually better than the 'ype.

'ance.
 
Well, either way all Jaguars are crap. All Mercurys are crap. All Lincolns are crap (except having the cushmobile Town Car for personal limo serivce) All Volvos are crap. Need I go on? :lol:

If you really need a Ford entry-level luxury, might I suggest the badge-engineered Sable?
 
boombexus
But, but, there are fools out there that just want the Jaguar name, much like the fools that buy BMW's.
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yep there are people like that. I bought my bmw coz i was tired of getting under my opel every second day and having it towed once a month. I must admit that it`s alot slower but my neck has been saved a few times thanx to the safety features.

If someone wants to buy a jag let em. your the one who`s gonna feel good when you smoke em at the lights. if someone wants to drive a rice mobile also fine. you`ll be the one laughing :)
 
Victor Vance
Well, either way all Jaguars are crap. All Mercurys are crap. All Lincolns are crap (except having the cushmobile Town Car for personal limo serivce) All Volvos are crap. Need I go on? :lol:

If you really need a Ford entry-level luxury, might I suggest the badge-engineered Sable?
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I suspect owners of the Jaguar XKR and Volvo V70 T5 might disagree. And my dad just bought a Jaguar XJ 3.2 Sport - mad old bastard that he is.

Of course the X-Type is poo. It's a Ford Mondeo. Okay, the Mondeo is a good car in it's sector, but it's sector isn't "small exec/luxury saloon".
 
A Mondeno? You mean the Countour? That car sucked, even in SVT trim. Though I find it pretty funny I met an FC3S driver who lost a street... well, actually freeway drag to an SVT countour 'just as he was grabbing for fifth'.
 
boombexus
But, but, there are fools out there that just want the Jaguar name, much like the fools that buy BMW's.
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Or like in your case - Lexus.:p Biotch!

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How about a BMW 320i for comparison's sake.

The Jaguar X-type 2.5 Sedan starts at CDN$41,195. The 320i, CDN$34,950.

In order to comparably equip them, with all of the package interactions, you'd end up with a CDN$40,665 BMW and a CDN$45,445 Jaguar. The Jag would still have more amenities (because there are simply some things you cannot get in a 320i), 24 more horsepower, 35 more ft-lbs or torque, 40/60 AWD, a second faster to 100km/h, slightly larger trunk and interior and comparable fuel economy.

Doesn't sound like such a bad deal anymore, eh?
 
M5Power
It's total poo.
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Do you still have that model of it?

A few days ago, I was driving, and when I stopped at a stoplight, I looked over to my right and saw an X-Type. And I thought to myself, "Doug *****n' hates that car."

Victor Vance – Famine's from the UK, thus "Mondeo" instead of "Contour". ;)
 
Firebird
How about a BMW 320i for comparison's sake.

The Jaguar X-type 2.5 Sedan starts at CDN$41,195. The 320i, CDN$34,950.

In order to comparably equip them, with all of the package interactions, you'd end up with a CDN$40,665 BMW and a CDN$45,445 Jaguar. The Jag would still have more amenities (because there are simply some things you cannot get in a 320i), 24 more horsepower, 35 more ft-lbs or torque, 40/60 AWD, a second faster to 100km/h, slightly larger trunk and interior and comparable fuel economy.

Doesn't sound like such a bad deal anymore, eh?
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Hey! The BMW 320i doesn't exist in the United States!

And no, the BMW 325i is not any better. That isn't the point. The point is that the X-Type 2.5 is poo. Though actually it's better than five vehicles in its segment: the BMW 330i, BMW 325i, Audi A4 1.8T, Saab 9-3 Linear, and Volvo S60 2.4. Of course, that's no consolation when it's significantly worse than front-drive competitors like the Mitsubishi Galant GTS and Nissan Altima 3.5SE. Poo, poo, poo.

Victor Vance – Famine's from the UK, thus "Mondeo" instead of "Contour".
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Plus, the X-Type isn't based on the 1995-2000 Ford Contour/Mercury Mystique, it's based on the current model, which was never sold as the Contour in the US.

Do you still have that model of it?
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Yep!!
 
The X-Type may be a sucky car new (for the cost) but the resale value on those things is pretty bad - that makes it a good choice if you're looking for a decent used one. Back when my parents were looking for a car to replace the Accord, we found a 2002 X-Type with extremely low mileage for just $25000 (canadian). They probably would have gotten it or a loaded Maxima if it wasn't for the fact that our insurance would have gone up by over 10 grand a year...
 
Everyone knows that the X-Type is poo, even Jaguar.

The problem is that as a product, it's manufacturer cynicism 'to the maxx'. It's designed to get younger people into Jaguars, but I only ever see them driven by old gits who aren't quite ready for sheltered accomodation. Actually, I know of one exception to this, but one swallow does not a summer make.

In the 'olden days', i.e. when Ford and Vauxhall were making credible luxury cars (Granada and Carlton), there was a real element of choice in the £20-£25k segment. Now, you're left with two options: Ultra-spec Mondeo or Boggo-spec 3-series/C-Class/X-Type/A4.

There are a lot of image-conscious people, who think that it says that they're a better person if they go for the latter option. But anyone who knows anything about cars can spot a base-model German from 100 paces, and thus the illusion is blown. The Germans are fantastic at range differentiation. I want an A4 3.0 quattro sport. I wouldn't touch an A4 2.0FSI with a sh***y stick.

Jaguar don't yet understand this. Jaguar don't understand that it's OK to make a cracking top-of-the-range small car and a s*** base-spec small car. So you find this unhappy middle ground that Doug refers to, where the price and the spec are wrong, and the base-model-hunters still go to the nearest BMW shed.

The question is: do Ford have a clue what they're doing with all their brands? Seems to me that they're undertaking a half-arsed attempt at platform sharing, without any real notion of what they're trying to do, other than sell cars and make money. Their lack of an apparent strategy is a little too obvious.

For my money, they need to let Volvo handle the mid-sector, and send Jaguar after the larger car markets. And they need to build the R-D6.
 

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