Diesel Audi R8 axed once again...

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Found in Auto express a couple of weeks ago

Im sure some of you guys heard that the Audi R8 was planned to have a 4.2ltr V8 diesel engine but Audi said its a load of rubbish, According to Kate Dixon, spokeswoman for Audi UK, no diesel powerplant will physically fit into the R8's engine bay.

"There's no chance of the R8 getting a diesel," said Dixon. "There's just not enough space to fit it in."

What a shame i was really looking forward to it!, im sure some of you guys would as well!

But remember there are still other great Audi diesels in the range :sly:

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Tommi

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Sorry but you can't really say that. Tommi is still having Tinternet troubles and can only access at school so he has very limited time to check things out.

Also what you have said is already posted is saying that the firm WILL make a diesel. Tommi is saying that they WON'T.

Sorry to nag but I am lonely without my mate around here as often as he used to be....
I may have made a mistake, but he did not provide where he heard the news of why it won't be made.
 
I may of made a mistake, but he did not provide where he heard the news of why it won't be made.

Urm yes he does...right at the top of the page. Autoexpress a few weeks back. But I do agree with the fact that he should have provided a direct link to the actual article. Sorry for snapping at you, I have had a bad day.
 
I may have made a mistake, but he did not provide where he heard the news of why it won't be made.

You've made two, and made it clear you didn't read the post either. Stop digging the hole deeper now :)

Diesel is teh BESTEST!!!! Naw, not really, but it would be awesome to see it going in a performance car, just because it might get more interest in it in the US.
 
Wait a minute, what makes a diesel engine so much bigger than a petrol engine of the some configuration & displacement, aside from the obvious turbocharger(s) and intercooler? Surely the R8's engine bay isn't so cramped that these wouldn't fit?
 
Big, heavy block. There's lots more reinforcement there than in a gasoline block, simply for it to take the pressures of turbocharging.

Thus, the amazing thing about the R10 racecar is not that it's faster in a straight line and more fuel efficient. The amazing thing is how they designed that car around all that weight... :lol:

It's a shame, though. I honestly quite enjoy driving modern turbodiesels, and it would have been interesting to see this tech head into supercar territory.

Maybe a V10 diesel Viper? ;)
 
The ONLY cool thing about turbodiesels from a performance standpoint is that you can easily swap on a bigger turbo, crank it up to 30 psi and make 1500+ ft/lbs of torque on the street. (not that i'm complaining. :D)
 
After thinking about this, I have to say that I've had a feeling of both disapointment and anger with Audi over the whole thing. If they could cram the diesel into the R8, get fuel economy ratings up there, they could get crazy amounts of positive press over the idea of a "responsible" sports car with a bit of a "green" attitude.

This, coming on the heels of GM announcing their new 4.8L diesel V8 which will be the same size as their current lineup of 4.8-7.0L small-block petrol V8s, really comes off as a pish-posh moment for Audi.

With all of this engineering experience, not to mention funding to back up a lot of research, we "rednecks" in the US can build a diesel the right size, and they can't?

...Strange. If we see a diesel Corvette before a diesel R8, hell will have officially frozen over...
 
After thinking about this, I have to say that I've had a feeling of both disapointment and anger with Audi over the whole thing. If they could cram the diesel into the R8, get fuel economy ratings up there, they could get crazy amounts of positive press over the idea of a "responsible" sports car with a bit of a "green" attitude.
Not to mention an obvious tie-in to the R10's success. But that would kinda require a V12, making things even harder.

Actually, maybe they're holding off on a diesel R8 so that they can just make a diesel-powered successor named the R10 a few years from now? A bit unlikely, but eh, sounds like something Audi might do.
 
Very true. Maybe they were worried about screwing with Lamborghini, as now I hear they're working on an "Italian R8," sticking some Lambo-tuned version of the 4.2L V8 in the Gallardo.
 
Just a bit off topic, but i saw my first R8 on the weekend and i gotta say there bloomin amazing! there so beautiful!!!(in my eyes!) it was in a nice metallic black:drool:

cheers

Tommi2000:D
 
After thinking about this, I have to say that I've had a feeling of both disapointment and anger with Audi over the whole thing. If they could cram the diesel into the R8, get fuel economy ratings up there, they could get crazy amounts of positive press over the idea of a "responsible" sports car with a bit of a "green" attitude.

This, coming on the heels of GM announcing their new 4.8L diesel V8 which will be the same size as their current lineup of 4.8-7.0L small-block petrol V8s, really comes off as a pish-posh moment for Audi.

With all of this engineering experience, not to mention funding to back up a lot of research, we "rednecks" in the US can build a diesel the right size, and they can't?

...Strange. If we see a diesel Corvette before a diesel R8, hell will have officially frozen over...

Indeed hell would have frozen over.

But one thing, I do imagine that the Audi engine is built to finer tolerances, and probably has a smaller block and less over built block than most American V8's. Its probably them just realizing they can use less metal if they spend more time engineering. Dang, that sounded harsh, but my idea is there.
 
Indeed hell would have frozen over.

But one thing, I do imagine that the Audi engine is built to finer tolerances, and probably has a smaller block and less over built block than most American V8's. Its probably them just realizing they can use less metal if they spend more time engineering. Dang, that sounded harsh, but my idea is there.

True, that, and the fact that American manufacturers tend to build multiple engines from the same block, while European manufacturers tend to build only one or two variations on one engine in any block.
 
True, that, and the fact that American manufacturers tend to build multiple engines from the same block, while European manufacturers tend to build only one or two variations on one engine in any block.

You mean like Audi's 1.8T? Or Mercedes' 5.5L V8? Or maybe BMW's 3.0L straight six? I just want to be sure.
 
The problem is the size and weight. Sure, you could build a six liter turbo, but if you don't have a chassis that it'd fit in, it'd be bloody useless for your business.

Now that I've said it... I've got to say it again. Viper Diesel. Say, a 400-500 hp, 1000+ ft-lbs of torque, V12 stuck under that hood. It'd be awesomely heavy, and it'd be a chore working out the suspension tuning... but it'd be plain cool. :D
 
Indeed hell would have frozen over.

But one thing, I do imagine that the Audi engine is built to finer tolerances, and probably has a smaller block and less over built block than most American V8's. Its probably them just realizing they can use less metal if they spend more time engineering. Dang, that sounded harsh, but my idea is there.

You keep hearing at GMI over and over again about rumors that are flying through GM with their new diesel programs. All of the engines were developed in-house, pretty much between GMNA and GMEU. Keep in mind the previous diesel V8 was actually an Isuzu design, so this is a big change, knocking down displacement figures while bumping up the power.

Personally speaking, what GM is doing by making this diesel interchangeable with the small-block program is basically assuring that they will be able to use it in as many vehicles as possible. It would mean that everything from the Impala to the XLR could use the engine, and that is promising for their corporate MPG figures as well.

Either way, the big question is how close they are to I4 and V6 engines for the US market, not just the V8...

I dunno. I'm crazy. But designing a diesel thats about the same size as existing engines seems to make more sense to me...
 
I thought I might as well recycle an old thread considering its about the same thing.


Auto Express
Plans for an oil-burning R8 have been canned. After more than 12 months of deliberation, Audi has told Auto Express that it can’t justify the cost involved in a diesel-engined evolution of its acclaimed two-seater supercar.

Although a concept version of the R8 V12 TDI impressed when it made its world debut at the Detroit Motor Show in 2008, top brass at the company have now confirmed that development will be halted.

Audi claims the cost of re-engineering the petrol R8 to accommodate the massive twin-turbocharged diesel engine is simply too great – and that it would be unable to recoup its investment through sales alone.

It’s sad news for fans of performance cars. Auto Express drove the priceless oil-burning concept back in Issue 1,006. Its 5.5-litre diesel was inspired by that in the firm’s R10 Le Mans car, and produced 500bhp and 1,001Nm of torque to provide an amazing 0-60mph sprint time of 4.2 seconds.

These massive outputs meant instant throttle response and unique road manners, as the model could be driven at speed with the engine turning incredibly slowly.

However, an insider high in the ranks within Audi explained that developing the new car involved changing the chassis to accommodate the V12 diesel unit – a hugely expensive process, the cost of which “couldn’t be recouped”.

Locating the engine’s twin turbochargers was a particular challenge, especially as there’s limited room in the spaceframe aluminium chassis. According to our source, the final blow was a slump in US demand for oil-burners – the country accounts for one-third of global R8 sales.

“If anyone could do a diesel supercar, it’s Audi,” our insider said. “But the market isn’t strong enough to make it realistic.”

Our man was keen to assure us that even though the diesel R8 project had reached the end of the road, there are still plenty of other exciting Audi sports cars under development.

Chief among these is the new RS4, which is scheduled to arrive in showrooms here by 2012, and offer even more pace than the imminent S4.

So first it was 'no, it can't fit' and now it seems to be 'the market isn't strong enough to make it realistic'. I was really looking forward to a diesel super car especially wearing the four rings but as with most things at the moment money has gotten in the way..:grumpy:
 
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