Do you view cars differently, based on the game?

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I know the game is not a full on, 100% simulation of driving, but in terms of how cars handle under the conditions given in the game, it is very damn realistic. So with taht in mind, I can't help but to have my opinion of cars be influenced by the game.

I've read in magazines that the difference between the STi and the Evo VIII is that the STi tends to understeer. I have found this to be true in the game as well. From the game i have also deduced that Benzes drive very crappy when not going on a straight line.

Automatic and semi-auto trans suck. The NSX is godly. Most 4WD cars tend to go from 100% grip to zero when pushed to the limit.

I'll update the post as i think of more things.
 
I don't view car differently based on Enthusia.

Most racing games physic based on real car are really well made. Even that arcade game Initial D feel like Gran Turismo & Enthusia, lol! The driving might be different, by the feeling is there. Each car have somthing special & most game have it.
 
I now view the Toyota Soarer as a DRIFTING GOD now after driving it in Enthusia down the DR. I used to think that they were heavy luxury POS, but now everytime I see a Lexus SC300 I can't help but stare and want one badly.
 
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I've read in magazines that the difference between the STi and the Evo VIII is that the STi tends to understeer. I have found this to be true in the game as well.
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Yeah, I've read comparisons between the Evo and the Sti and I'm always reading about the Sti's 10/10ths understeer and the the Evo's techno trickery which means that you can slide it like a RWD car. No game until now had so emphasised this difference but in Enthusia the two cars handling characteristics are very pronounced.

I used my Sti V.6 for a few races then won an Evo 7 and thought I'd try it out. Wow. All the AWD grip of the Sti but none of the power-understeer of the Sti. It soon became my car of choice and defeated everything that I came up against.
 
I used to think Mitsubishi's AYC was a great idea, until I tried driving the Evo VIII MR uphill at the Dragon Range (as NSX-R requested in the video thread). Sure, the AYC kicks the tail out and lets you drift, but many times you still get understeer with the front tires, so you just get over-understeer, a.k.a. "no-steer"... :odd: I'd much rather drive a car with a well-sorted, grip-happy AWD system, like on the BNR32...

I've also learned that Silvias are capable of doing some really decent drifting in their stock form...

One thing that Enthusia didn't change, but just reinforced, was my love for the E30 M3...that thing drives and drifts like a dream... :drool:
 
I just started driving a GS400 in real life. It's my daily driver now. When i was waiting for the car i practiced driving on the snow with the Aristo, in order to get ready for this car when winter arrives. And yes, i know that the game is only a game. Anyways, i can't accurately compare the cars before my GS400 is a V8 whereas the Aristo is a V6. The acceleration on my real car is very strong but on the game i don't get the same 'feeling' of speed.

Gotta practice rain driving with the V8 infinity which is closer to my car.

Oh and the BMW M3 GTR is the best FR car there is.
 
Do you feel significant difference between the game and RL except for g forces, sense of speed and big steering wheel?
 
Because of EPR and GT3 & 4, I have become a huge Honda NSX & any Type R fan. I just love them, and the high reving engines. Also I never really liked the looks of the Lotus Elise, but now I want one really bad :) I have also become a fan of the EVO and the Skyline :)
 
The closet thing that Enthusia offers that compares to my daily driver (BMW E46 sedan) is the A4 3.0 sport quattro. The power-off handling characteristics are very similar to the E46, as is the general acceleration, but obviously there are differences when you get on the throttle at all in a corner.

There is an R230 SL500 in Enthusia, and I drive one in real life, though mine has the 7 speed transmission (Enthusia's version has the 5 speed). For whatever reason, though, they accelerate identically (in real life, the 7 speed version is noticibly faster than the 5 speed past 60 mph). Other than that, no surprises there.

I've never driven an RX-8, but Enthusia makes me want to. In the game, that car has excellent chassis dynamics and a very nimble feel, though the power delivery (rotary 👎 ) sucks.

I love the selection of BMW's offered (3.0 CSL, M1, E30 M3) but I wish they would have gone with more street cars or street versions of the 3.0CSL and M1, and perhaps added an E36 M3 or 318ti or some such for good measure (as well as an E46 sedan of some sort ;) ). The R-class cars in the game seem to have an unrealistic amount of grip, which makes it impossible for me to judge their handling in an objective fashion.
 
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The closet thing that Enthusia offers that compares to my daily driver (BMW E46 sedan) is the A4 3.0 sport quattro. The power-off handling characteristics are very similar to the E46, as is the general acceleration, but obviously there are differences when you get on the throttle at all in a corner.

There is an R230 SL500 in Enthusia, and I drive one in real life, though mine has the 7 speed transmission (Enthusia's version has the 5 speed). For whatever reason, though, they accelerate identically (in real life, the 7 speed version is noticibly faster than the 5 speed past 60 mph). Other than that, no surprises there.

I've never driven an RX-8, but Enthusia makes me want to. In the game, that car has excellent chassis dynamics and a very nimble feel, though the power delivery (rotary 👎 ) sucks.

I love the selection of BMW's offered (3.0 CSL, M1, E30 M3) but I wish they would have gone with more street cars or street versions of the 3.0CSL and M1, and perhaps added an E36 M3 or 318ti or some such for good measure (as well as an E46 sedan of some sort ;) ). The R-class cars in the game seem to have an unrealistic amount of grip, which makes it impossible for me to judge their handling in an objective fashion.
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E46 part: The A4? There's gotta be something closer, or at least FR...you could always just drive the M3 GTR and pretend your sedan has a de-tuned M5 V8... :lol:

SL500: Unfortunately, I've made the same observation -- the acceleration times for many cars in Enthusia are off by as much as a second, sometimes even two (0-60 and quarter mile). :ouch:

RX-8: While I would be the first to admit that naturally-aspirated rotaries don't provide enough juice compared to the competition (the RX-8 would be a prime example, and the 787B would be a prime exception :D ), turbocharged ones aren't anything to laugh at. :)

R-Class: You're not alone in your too-much-grip evaluation... :ouch:

BMW's: I agree, there should've been more BMW's, especially more "ordinary ones," like Polyphony does with all of the Japanese makes. Then again, I also think that there couldn't possibly be enough BMW's, and that they should've included the E30 318i. :D

Oh well. Bore and stroke the engine to 2.5L, give it a DOHC 4V/C head, tweak the suspension, add wide-body bodywork, a raised rear-window/trunk assembly, and a spoiler, and Enthusia already has my car covered. :lol:
 
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E46 part: The A4? There's gotta be something closer, or at least FR...you could always just drive the M3 GTR and pretend your sedan has a de-tuned M5 V8... :lol:
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Granted, I haven't given it much time, but the A4 really is the closest thing I could find with a brief search. In stock configuration, the real world E46 is an extremely stable and forgiving platform, but it accomplishes this at the expense of raw agility. Not unlike that of the EPR A4. Yes, it understeers that badly. The M3 GTR is far too agile (i.e. understeers less) and has far too much grip to accurately simulate my E46.

On that note, I might try the Toyota Altezza. It probably offers a decent approximation with a FR configuration, similar weight and similar power output.
 
Ok, that having been said, the Altezza with the differential unlocked (sadly, BMW has elected to supply all the non-M3 E46's with an open differential for whatever reason) drives quite a bit like the E46. Definitely more so than the A4.
 
Ya know, Golding licenses in GT4 is making me angry.

The thought of an E30 M3 makes me happy.

I think I'm going to have to go out and buy this today.

Yes, I do have a DFP, but no workable clutch yet...maybe I could rig up a DS2 controller somehow.
 
This might be OT and a bit long so bear with me. Just a strange experience.

Lately I've been playing enthusia alot. At some point, I started to try and get the fastest times I possibly could on DR (both uphill and downhill) and realized two things:

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With proper setups, I am able to drift the Mitsubishi Evos and Subaru Imprezas crazy fast and still get some awesome times. Time and time again I've written down how I drove, which corners I am able to go 'balls-out' in and which ones I must use 'motorsport techniques' in (slow in fast out). As well as how much countersteer I had to use.

B. Slightly detuning those same cars for better traction, I finally understand the theory behind proper throttle and brake control. Thus breaking my 'drift' times by at least a good 5-20 seconds depending on the car.

The Experience:
SO last night I had to go get my fiancee at work around midnight and had to take the mother-in-law's Explore Sport Trac. Now where I live, the roads aren't very twisty by any means but there are some sweepers where you have to turn slightly harder than others or else end up in the opposite lane. Now I had been consciously trying to improve my driving skills when I drove my fiancee's grand prix before it broke down but last night was just 'wow'. Heading out to her work, I drove like I normally drive- occassionally dipping onto the centerline during those medium sweepers so as to prevent too much body-roll. On the way back, its like the subconscious kicked in. It was almost as if playing Enthusia had someone helped my own driving. The whole ride back (about 45 mins) was like being on a rollercoaster- the driving and timing were that precise. There is a certain area where the S-curve is pretty tight and yet, halfway through the first, I countersteered and swung the rear out enough to maintain the line I was focusing on. So we get home and she noticed that my driving was completely different and wondered what caused the improvement (I'm not a bad driver by any means but its hard to overlook a pure difference in one's driving habits/style).

Now I've been doing this for years now- subconsciously checking how my car handles, noticing slight differences in the road or if my car is slightly 'off' and making the necessary adjustments as I drive. All of this way before I made the decision to move to another state. Now that I think about it- back then, I didn't quite grasp the theories and all, but after last night, I don't think I'll ever look at driving the same again. I used to autocross alot and was quite bigheaded about my own driving skills.... but last night was a very humbling experience. Now I just need my car up here and find a local track for somemore 'driving improvements'. Who would have thought that something as simple as a video game could actually help someone see the light :boggled:

Just thought I'd share a very enlightening experience.
 
I find it rather hard to relate to RL driving because, well, the DFP is way to small, and the steering range is shorter also. Though my car only has 3.0 lock-to-lock, I can still feel the difference. And obviously, the absence of traffic laws in EPR allow me to see speed limits as abstracts and therefore, I was allowed to go above 50 km/h without my parents screaming in the back seat.
 
I've driven some purpose built track cars where the wheel was only slightly larger than that of the DFP, so I don't find that too much of a hinderance once you become adjusted to it.

Of course, I should mention that said cars also had a tighter steering ratio than even the DFP does with 2.5 turns lock to lock.
 

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