does the dfp help you?

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i got gt4p about a month ago, and i got used to it pretty quick. i was pretty good. but last week, i got the dfp also. omg, its so hard to use. they should put force feedback on the pedals too. the pedals feel too dull for me. and the sequential shifter is way too sensitive:when i pull on it to shift up, the shifter bounces back sometimes and shifts down for me. or do you guys use the pedal shifters?

and my driving technique doesnt work with the wheel. even with rwd cars, i get massive understeer on the small apex's foudn on tsukuba. i noticed my front wheels lose traction while my rear wheels are just pushing my car onto the grass.

do i have to be more gentle when i steer? i can clear a turn ok when i turn gently, but i dont get fast laps like when i use the analog controller.

but hey, its way more fun with dfp =P

so basically, im curious to wheter you guys are BETTER or WORSE at gt4p if you use the dfp.
 
Well at first with the wheel I, and most people, are significantly worse. But after several hours of practice and getting used to it suddenly you start beating your old DS times. Eventually, you can never go back. It was similar to me when I went from D-pad and buttons to the analog sticks.
 
One thing you'll find in GT4P is that braking is much more realistic, and you'll have to learn threshold braking - i.e. braking just short of the point of lock-up. A lot of people are in for a real treat the first time they attempt heavy braking, and just plough straight off.

I've always used a wheel for the GT series - it's a lot more realistic, and a lot more fun. The DFP provides much more feedback as to what the car's up to and what's happening under the front wheels.
 
Is my concern unfounded that GT4 may in fact penalise DS2 users in favour of DFP users? By penalise, I mean in terms of userbility. I have read numerous people complain that in GT4P, using DS2 us utterly useless, and that DFP is the only way to play it.

Obviously I seek opinions, as noboby can know for sure.
 
I'll say this for the 500th time, probably.
I was able to match MrP on the Evo VIII licence ghost that he sent me a while back. He uses a wheel (although i'm not sure if it's dfp) although there were parts where he was able to apex and brake slightly better than me, but that's because he's a better driver than me. I'm still considering purchasing the DFP, but I have nowhere to mount it so i'm not sure. I think the physics will change in the final release though, or at least the way the controll system works with the DS2.
 
Originally posted by vat_man
...A lot of people are in for a real treat the first time they attempt heavy braking, and just plough straight off...
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lol. That would be me then :O

I do like the idea of getting myself a wheel and pedals, but I've tried to use them before on other games, and found them no more useful than the keyboard controls. I might have to see if I can get one from a shop that will let me return it after a month or so if I don't like it.

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Jamie
 
Definately. Analouge sticks are ok in so far as they go for games but when your playing something that is a simulation then the precise control afforded by a wheel becomes essential for me. Moved up from the Driving Force to the DFP for this release and don't regret it one moment. Just need to get round to trying it on a real sim, such as that demo of GTR sitting on my PC :p
 
For GT4P, I've only used DFP, I don't want to know if DS2 is quicker, as it's nowhere near as enjoyable...

The sensation of threshold braking the Maclaren F1 and struggling to get it round a corner is amazing, I don't think the DS2 could recreate that.
 
Originally posted by Race Idiot
I'll say this for the 500th time, probably.
I was able to match MrP on the Evo VIII licence ghost that he sent me a while back. He uses a wheel (although i'm not sure if it's dfp) although there were parts where he was able to apex and brake slightly better than me, but that's because he's a better driver than me. I'm still considering purchasing the DFP, but I have nowhere to mount it so i'm not sure. I think the physics will change in the final release though, or at least the way the controll system works with the DS2.
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You may just be saying it wrong for the 500th time, because as far as I know Mr.P still drives with the DS2. The only wheel the P family possesses is a MoMo, which is more used by Lotus350 than by himself, as he uses it almost exclusively for Rally as far as I know. There are plenty of others that manage great times with the DS2.

I don't think GT4 Prologue disadvantages DS2 users one bit, in fact they still advantage DS2 users by making the cars a lot more driveable than they really are, to compensate for the DS2 not being ... well ... a wheel. :lol: But if you know how to drive a real car, then the DF Pro is definitely a big advantage. ;) And vice versa too ... I'm well on my way to getting my driver's licence :D
 
Originally posted by Arwin
I don't think GT4 Prologue disadvantages DS2 users one bit, in fact they still advantage DS2 users by making the cars a lot more driveable than they really are, to compensate for the DS2 not being ... well ... a wheel. :lol: But if you know how to drive a real car, then the DF Pro is definitely a big advantage. ;) And vice versa too ... I'm well on my way to getting my driver's licence :D
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Thanks for the input 👍
 
lol yea GTR using keyboard controls....oh dear...the seconda car gets into a drift i can keep it there for about a few seconds but i can't ever save it :) just prolong it :D even more fun without TCS and ABS......owwwy lol.

I have limited use of wheels before, only ever using one on Colin Mcrae in a shop for an hour or 2....oh and playing V-rally round my mates....but i really want one of these, its the next step up really :)
 
It doesn't disadvantage DS2 users, all you have to see for proof of that is Honeycars times/replays. There's no lockup so DS2 users won't have to worry about pressing too hard on the brake (except for in corner-entry of course), but left-foot braking is needed in quite a few of the cars to set fast times, which is hard to do with the DS2
 
left-foot brakign is ez with ds2... you can use your thumb to gas and brake same time

But if you know how to drive a real car, then the DF Pro is definitely a big advantage.
-arwin

using dfp on gt4p and real life driving are not the same. its very similar in a way, but dont think that if you can do it in the game, you can do it in real life and vise versa. the wheel is much harder to turn because of the noisy gears, so counter-steering for me is hard to do because i cant turn the wheel as fast as in real life. and one thing i dislike about dfp are the pedals. in a car, even if you step on the gas a little, it will go. but not with dfp. i wish the pedals had force feedback too. other than that, i love my dfp.

the reason for this tread was for me to know what people didnt like or liked about the dfp. no one seems to be discriminating it though.
 
Originally posted by kap
left-foot brakign is ez with ds2... you can use your thumb to gas and brake same time

But if you know how to drive a real car, then the DF Pro is definitely a big advantage.
-arwin

using dfp on gt4p and real life driving are not the same. its very similar in a way, but dont think that if you can do it in the game, you can do it in real life and vise versa. the wheel is much harder to turn because of the noisy gears
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Well for sure not all cars are the same. I have 3 hours driving lessons per week in an Alfa 156 2.4jtd. It's a MT, like 90% of all cars in Europe btw. It has among others a shorter steering angle (720 lock to lock) and hydraulic assist. It's very light to turn, but don't forget the wheel is a lot bigger than the DF Pro's, which makes you have to move your hands and arms a lot more to achieve the same effect, and that means the power is distributed over a much longer trajectory. That makes it feel lighter, but I always notice that I have a tendency to move my hands a tad too little the first few seconds I'm in the real car.
What do you drive in real life?

As far as the pedals go, those in the Alfa are also hydraulic and really sensitive, so there's little difference there. One problem for GT4 Prologue is that a real car will already move on the clutch alone, so you have to compare driving away from 0km/h in GT4 P with shifting into first and then applying throttle or to how a (semi)automatic would react.

The double wishbone in the Alfa rules btw, absolutely awesome, you hardly notice you drive an FF car at all, I was allowed to drive circles on an abandoned (small) roundabout and at 70km/h the car still remained neutral, although it's suspension wasn't set up very stiff and the car was leaning over a fair bit, making me nervous. :lol:
 
Originally posted by kap
left-foot brakign is ez with ds2... you can use your thumb to gas and brake same time
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Sure you can do it easily on the DS2, but you have far less control over how much brake or gas you need.
 
I've never used a wheel and have always used DS for all 3 GT games so far...

I can't see them penalising you... but it's always gonna be quicker to swap sides on an analogue stick to spinning a wheel 900 degrees... so the wheels don't actually mimic the poisition of the sticks they take a little while to get there... this was introduced in GT3 I beleive.

Suzuki Cappuccino...

The most fun you can have in a car the size of a matchbox!!!!

Pretty quick off the lights but shame it's limited to 95Mph!

The back can be a little(!) twitchy in the wet!!!

C.
 
err do you guys know if you can get any other wheels to work with GTP coz my dad has a Thrust master FF ferrari wheel and GTP dosn't accept it at all!!!. Dose anyone know of a way to get it to work, or is he going to have to splash out for another wheel?
 
I would have bought a wheel ages ago but they are just too expensive.
 

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