Does the GR.3 Porsche needs fixing like the GR.4 Megane was?

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Before I launch into this one, first let me say that I have really enjoyed this game from the beginning, using a controller (DS4), I can achieve quite good results in GR.4 with the Megane or Scirroco, both before and after the various updates, despite these updates having a massive "simplify" effect on laptimes e.g. from 2m12 being quick (high A S level) at Suzuka to 2.07 nowadays, with the much more accessible handling model. Due to using the controller, I have never been as competitive in GR.3. I can enjoy driving the GR.3 cars but never win against the same guys I beat in GR.4.

Now that the best GR.4 car (M4) is rear wheel drive, I have investigated GR.3 further and believe that the Porsche is "OP" and the ultimate performance from it is not accessible for controller users, It rotates really great on corner entry and is fun with a controller, but corner exits are a lottery without driving aids that slow me down too much ! There are so many great GR.3 cars that should be competitive, does anyone else have an opinion on this ?

My G29 arrived today, so I will find out if my theory is right, for me anyway, quite soon :)

Thanks gtplanet for being such a great forum!
 
The problem is....scrubs! People who think they NEED to race in the car they see mostly in the Top10.
Instead of just picking whats fun to drive, they pick the fastest in hopes they win every race with it. Pretty boring IMO...

Raced against 12 911s and a few Mercedes today. I picked the Aston Martin. Qualified 12th and finished 9th. Fun race, except 2 Porsche drivers who didn't know how to overtake and pushed me off the track 3 times. Still managed to catch up and had an undercut with one of the 911 drivers :)

And I can't preach it enough, sport mode NEEDS settings back! I want to setup my car, so maybe with this, slower cars have more of a chance!?
The balancing PD does every few weeks will never be perfect. Maybe next time the M6 is Top Tier!? Who knows...
But tuning would make the races way more interesting, so please PD, bring it back. Thats my only wish for GTS right now....ok, and more tracks! :p
 
I don’t feel that the Porsche is that op any more. I did a few 1 on 1 races with my brother who is a fairly equal driver to me on gt and I didn’t have much issue in the race beating him in the Aston. To me G3 is fairly balanced with a few good cars but some that need to be boosted a little.

Note: we both use a G29.
 
I wish they would fix the bloody visual input delay ********. Makes the 911 GT3 undrivable on a controller, least for me
 
I think the Gr.3 class is quite tight as it is right now.

The 911 RSR is a car that rewards skill, it's not noob-friendly, and even then it's not the best car for every track in the class, the AMG SLS GT3 dominates the ovals, for example.

I'm a DS4 user myself and I use the V12 Vantage lend to me by that Aston Martin contract for the FIA championships, with it a beat 911 RSR left and right, though it's hard for me to score pole position in all races, I can usually get 3rd or 4th place on the majority of races.
 
The problem is....scrubs! People who think they NEED to race in the car they see mostly in the Top10.
Instead of just picking whats fun to drive, they pick the fastest in hopes they win every race with it. Pretty boring IMO...

Raced against 12 911s and a few Mercedes today. I picked the Aston Martin. Qualified 12th and finished 9th. Fun race, except 2 Porsche drivers who didn't know how to overtake and pushed me off the track 3 times. Still managed to catch up and had an undercut with one of the 911 drivers :)

And I can't preach it enough, sport mode NEEDS settings back! I want to setup my car, so maybe with this, slower cars have more of a chance!?
The balancing PD does every few weeks will never be perfect. Maybe next time the M6 is Top Tier!? Who knows...
But tuning would make the races way more interesting, so please PD, bring it back. Thats my only wish for GTS right now....ok, and more tracks! :p
Side note. Do you remember the name of the room you joined. The way you explaining the race sounds awfully familiar.
 
Always fun absolutely hammering a grid of 911's in the Lamborghini Huracan GT3, a car no one uses (except me).

I'm exaggerating though, its usually 50% 911, 50% everything else.

It's not OP, its just the go-to car because people think its OP, in my opinion.
 
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I don't think it's THAT good a car. The Beetle DEFINITELY isn't anymore.

The 911 is a good car, but it's not the must have like the Megane was. The Beetle is still benefiting from when it was overpowered and everyone used it. Now I rarely, if ever, see it in the top 10.
 
I think the Gr.3 class is quite tight as it is right now.

The 911 RSR is a car that rewards skill, it's not noob-friendly, and even then it's not the best car for every track in the class, the AMG SLS GT3 dominates the ovals, for example.

I'm a DS4 user myself and I use the V12 Vantage lend to me by that Aston Martin contract for the FIA championships, with it a beat 911 RSR left and right, though it's hard for me to score pole position in all races, I can usually get 3rd or 4th place on the majority of races.
"not noob-friendly"? The 911 Gr3 is easier to drive than say the RS01, Huracan or NSX. The taller gearing and the rotating through corners that lets you hold down the gas pedal more makes it an easier car than most other MR's. And that weird Volkswagon Gr3 car dominates the ovals.
 
From what I've experienced (mainly Gr.3/Interlagos free practice, trying to catch the Top 10 EU, after the 1.10 BoP changes), the Porsche might be still a bit ahead of the rest, not enough to be "OP" but enough to be slightly faster on one lap:

I tried for maybe 1h to catch the top 10 with the McLaren I'm used to drive with, and I managed to reach the 9th position. Since the entire top 10 was Porsche (except me), I tried the Porsche by curiosity, and I was surprised to be like 3 tenth faster than my McLaren's time at the end of the 2nd sector, after 2 laps (I stopped the car on the finish line to keep my McLaren's time on the leaderboard, still far ahead from the McLaren's ghost). It felt also more comfortable.

Then I tried some other Gr.3 (Corvette, Viper, M6, and more) still on the same track/conditions, it was more about beeing in the McLaren's times (1 or 2 tenth slower which isn't bad for cars I don't drive often) than the Porsche. I didn't tried to do races since my connection was messing up and I don't want to be a danger for anyone else due to lag (and then, the servers issue came).

To have a "fair" opinion on that, I should have tried the Porsche VS the rest on every track. And I keep in mind that each driver have his own handling preferencies, so it's just my opinion, but still, for me it was interesting to notice that.

But overall, the Gr.3 balance seems to be decent but can still be improved :)

(For anyone who's wondering, I'm racing with a Thrustmaster T150, with no assists except the ABS (weak).)
 
"not noob-friendly"? The 911 Gr3 is easier to drive than say the RS01, Huracan or NSX. The taller gearing and the rotating through corners that lets you hold down the gas pedal more makes it an easier car than most other MR's. And that weird Volkswagon Gr3 car dominates the ovals.

The top 10 qualifying lap times @ Northern Island says otherwise.
 
It still seems to be the top car in races I partake in post patch, however I am very close to their times using the Atenza Gr.3. So they definitely have balanced it with the patch. By close I mean .2-.4 seconds apart on our qualifying times. Lexus, Mercedes can keep up well too. Maybe even Ferrari with brake balance adjusted.
 
Adding weight last patch just made it easier to get on the throttle and up to speed downhill at Nurb, it was already under powered compared to other gr3 so the only option they had was to add weight.
 
The 911 RSR is a car that rewards skill, it's not noob-friendly

Not really, it's way easier to drive than the M6, I'll tell you why. I've been playing the 8-8 challenge with the RSR and then moved to Circuit Experience Nurburgring ( which makes you use the M6 ) and the M6 isn't as forgiving as the RSR.
 
I am quicker in the Aston and Jag than i am in the 911 (Nurb GP, Nurb Nordschleife, Suzuka, Lago Maggiore)... I simply prefer the 911. I am also quickest in the Ferrari when allowed to tune the chassis/diff yet leave BoP on for weight/power/ride height/gearing... but I cannot handle it on stock settings. That's the only cars I have compared.
Now that there seems to be so many 911's online, I think I'll go back to the Aston or Jag.
The Mustang still has the best power to weight ratio (by a large margin), so, on a track with lots of heavy acceleration and long straights that should be very competitive. The M6, SLS, Mazda and Hyundai all have very favorable power/weight as well.
 
I am quicker in the Aston and Jag than i am in the 911 (Nurb GP, Nurb Nordschleife, Suzuka, Lago Maggiore)... I simply prefer the 911. I am also quickest in the Ferrari when allowed to tune the chassis/diff yet leave BoP on for weight/power/ride height/gearing... but I cannot handle it on stock settings. That's the only cars I have compared.
Now that there seems to be so many 911's online, I think I'll go back to the Aston or Jag.
The Mustang still has the best power to weight ratio (by a large margin), so, on a track with lots of heavy acceleration and long straights that should be very competitive. The M6, SLS, Mazda and Hyundai all have very favorable power/weight as well.
Not sure how much it matters, but I have seen GTS does simulate aero, and the Mustang is a brick. And I doubt it's a strangely aerodynamic brick like the Nissan GTR.

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Not here to argue, but, in my experience/testing, the Mustang is a solid 5+mph faster on the long straights at the Nordschleife, and during online I could close during corner exit (late apex, into the gas quick) only to watch them drive off... me in the 911... cannot even stay in their draft.
Doesn't make me want to campaign one, but under acceleration, and on long straights they are very strong. Through all the twisty stuff I would gain much, only to watch them drive off.
I don't think they need nurf'd (due to how I could close so rapidly in the twisties), but they have their advantages.
 
I drive the Porsche because it is a good overall car on most tracks, but not the best for every track i think. The Beetle seemed to have a slight edge before, not sure how things are now havent played much last weeks.

But i mainly drive it because it has a good useable cockpit rearview cam and i drive only cockpit view. The same reason i picked the Scirocco over the Megane whenever i joined a gr.4 FF cup race.
 
The 911 RSR is and always was a beast. It's super easy to use compared to most of the other cars, not to mention fast.
 
It rotates really great on corner entry and is fun with a controller, but corner exits are a lottery without driving aids that slow me down too much ! There are so many great GR.3 cars that should be competitive, does anyone else have an opinion on this ?

It rotates so well because it actually does that in real life :D
Rear engine, RWD, there is a specific technique to driving a 911 not entirely different to driving a lightweight mid engined car, but different to a FR car. Brake...and turn-in as you come off the brakes will rotate the car as the engine shifts the weight across, then you can get back on throttle hard as the rotation squares the car and straightens the turn. That's accentuated in the 911 in particular in slow and mid speed corners. Whereas a FR car is more about carrying speed in, and modulating the balance across front and rear: carry more speed in and feather through the turn.

The reason the 911 good in GTS is we have G-force removed from our senses, so you are relying on what you see + hear much more. The 911 makes it's power in a very linear way, so you can get on the throttle pretty aggressively and it won't lose traction as easily as the Jag Gr.3 or the M6 for example, both of which are very torquey engines.
One of my favourite tracks is Maggiore and I had barely anything between the M6, 911 and F Type Gr.3. But achieving the laptimes in a very different way. Now, the 911 is about .5 sec slower at least since the updates. The R-L-L-R section leading onto to long back straight was easy flat before. Now I have to lift into the first left hander with the additional weight, it just overcomes the tyres.
So, I think they have it about right. One car will always be faster than the other if driven in the same style but I reckon all the top Gr.3 cars will get the same lap times. I do wish the Altenza was a tad more powerful though as it's balance is near perfect and great at Mt Panorama.

I think the Gr.3 class is quite tight as it is right now.
The 911 RSR is a car that rewards skill, it's not noob-friendly, and even then it's not the best car for every track in the class, the AMG SLS GT3 dominates the ovals, for example.
Agree :cheers:

Always fun absolutely hammering a grid of 911's in the Lamborghini Huracan GT3
Me too, love the Huracan surprised more people don't use it
 
I use the 911 RSR a lot of times (because I’m a big Porsche fan) and let me tell you that while it is a great car...


...it isn’t the king of Gr. 3.

My mind has to be in 100% concentration, as its tail can lash out at any moment exiting the turn. For me, the M6 and the Beetle are still easier to drive compared to the RSR.

Top end speed is among the best, yes, but still not warrant it to be called OP.

The RSR’s previous BoP setting stroke the best balance for the car, IMO.

Additional note: 911 RSR being MR is the best decision Porsche made. The already epic 991 chassis became a much more capable one after the conversion, and that maybe is the reason why it gives off this illusion that it’s OP even though it’s totally not.
 
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