Drift Battle Rules Too Hard To Pay Attention To?...

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As a part of the drifting community on GTP for a reasonable amount of time now, I have come to find the rules everyone uses the exact same! Rules such as Spin out = 10-0, a heavy collision = 10-0! NO OVERTAKING and if so give the position back! Slow starts to allow the slower car to keep close.

Last night UDT were battling A team I would rather not mention and all hell broke loose!

First of all in my first battle, the other member spun out causing me to nudge him as he face planted the wall! He claimed it was my fault and 1 of the judges claimed the score 8-2.. This is an automatic 10-0 to me as i did not spin nor cause the spin what so ever!.

Second of all in GTWelsh's second battle the lead car for the other team shot off without being told to start and when told to return to the start line he complained because he had a near perfect run!

Now Third time was alot of controversy which sparked the gas! HMSmotorsport was using a BMW tii, he was overtaking by an RX7 but not allowed his position back and the RX7 grew such a lead that a tandem score could not be given! First of all the overtaken car was not given his place back so re-run or a score in favour oof HMSmotorsport should be given.
But this just caused mayhem in the room!

In my second run I was yet again door to door with the car I was chasing and keeping a steady line. I rubbed his door Twice which did not affect his line nor speed and i was getting abuse down the microphone! Second run I was lead car.. Multiple occasions I was knocked off line and heard the guy say "You done it to me" so I was quite annoyed.
Not only was he approaching the inside of the corner straight to so he could nudge me but he wasn't really trying!

Can anyone tell me exactly what is wrong with people that don't pay attention? They were given a run over of the rules before the battling started! Why don't people listen?

Have any of you out there had any bad experience of running tandem team battles?
 
You basically summed up the reasons why SFX doesnt battle. It proves nothing and starts a lot of drama, pretty silly if you ask me.
 
they were probably young, stupid, inexperienced. Dont do deal with ppl like that, i've seen u couple times in some rooms, ure just ruining your style by dealing with stupid kids.
 
That's why you should only drift a couple of corners instead of the whole track.( not sure if you did this or not.) I don't like how people straight line into a corner. That should be a bad score straight up. As for your mate getting overtaken well bad luck. As long as he didn't give him a big nudge then all is good. Overtaking someone while drifting is the name of the game. As for the guys who spun, that's a big fat ZERO even if you did run into him after he spun.
 
Wouldn't say over-taking is the name of the game.
Depends what rules and lines you are using.

In real life, some competitions regard a pass as a win such aaa 6-4 or 10-0 if the lead far let's room or gets a poor line or speed through the set of corners due to being pressured by the chase car.

But then some competitions don't allow passing to an extent and try encourage people to use the outside clipping points and rubbing the walls etc.
If the chase car passes in this case it usually will mean they tool a very shallow line into the corner and not the "drifting line"

However, if the chasing driver has kept the perfect line and angle and passes the lead far on exit of the corner it normally counts as a pass unless his far is vastly more powerful than the lead car.


It really depends on the particular battle really. Safest rule of thumb is a pass is declared a win if the chase car has pressured the lead far into taking a poor line, making a mistake etc but not by actually forcing him to do so by getting in his way or cutting him up obviously and chase car must always have a perfect line through the corner if he does want the pass to be considered a win.

Passing the lead far just because you are taking a shallow line and grip racing rather than drifting is just gay :)
 
To let you guys know, the thread still up there if you want to discuss "Official GTP" rules...
 
Just my opinion but when you're battling if you pass them great, but i like to judge for line and angle(unless the gap becomes to big.) Also i think you can score better if the objective is to follow the lead car not pass them. Just looks better.

EDIT: Oh yeah and nudges will deduct small points as long as you don't screw them over. However, if you can CLEARLY see the lead car was spinning out then a nudge won't matter at that point(thats where honesty comes into play). However, i judge fatal collisions and spinouts = automatic round loss.
 
Just to clarify on Jimmy's post I was indeed overtaken by the RX-7 and no position was given back.

I have to admit after it seemed they didnt want to play fair I decided to play dirty, on a re-run I set my rear camber up so the car was very slow and I brake checked him a fair few times to try and get him to either pass me or hit me. Yes it was playing dirty but by this point I had lost my patience, im not normally like that!!

The sad fact of the matter is that I was Judging on the basis that they provided a judge (GTWelsh judged when I was driving). They did but he didnt understand the rules of drifting, hadn't ever judged before and I had to spend 15mins trying to breif him over PSN on how to judge a battle. Then he was completley biased to their team. I pride myself on being a fair judge, if my team loses the battle then so be it, thats drifting.

/rant over.
 
The most annoying part of the night was getting the massive abuse over the mic really for me.
 
I mostly run solo but have tandemed with many people no problem.Judging from jim's post these guys have no discipline.
 
lol. the old "you did it first" excuse.

ive come to realize its pointless to complain about ignorant drivers. they will always be there unfortunately. thankfully i can always shake my head at them and praise the fact im not an ignorant driver.

secondly, there should be a 'kick vote'... is there one? i havent checked/noticed XD

altogether: because of these drifting llamas (and constant disconnecting), i dred going into public rooms.
i can deal with the disconnecting from time to time... not the llamas


and about battles:
if you overtake and its allowed... good!
if you overtake and its not allowed...
dont expect to get points for it!!

expect to get them deducted or taken away... simple!!
 
Overtaking somone in a batle that takes a sloppy line or goes extremely wide is fine in my opinion if the rules allow it, but when Im simply hosting a tandem lobby I try to enforce a "No Overtaking Policy." It seems too many people think that the aim of drifting with other people is to overtake them as soon and as much as possible. I gain a lot more respect for a drifter if they try following the lines of a driver in an underpowered car, especially if their lines are sketchy. Sure, if it looks like theyre about to fly off the track then pass them, but you better try your best to follow them from point to point.
 
Adavicro
Overtaking somone in a batle that takes a sloppy line or goes extremely wide is fine in my opinion if the rules allow it, but when Im simply hosting a tandem lobby I try to enforce a "No Overtaking Policy." It seems too many people think that the aim of drifting with other people is to overtake them as soon and as much as possible. I gain a lot more respect for a drifter if they try following the lines of a driver in an underpowered car, especially if their lines are sketchy. Sure, if it looks like theyre about to fly off the track then pass them, but you better try your best to follow them from point to point.
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I know but some people dont know how to setup a car. Alot of them try to do hellaflush (not sure if thats right) with massive camber and they will be going as slow as christmas so you cant do much but try to overtake.
 
Powellx235
I know but some people dont know how to setup a car. Alot of them try to do hellaflush (not sure if thats right) with massive camber and they will be going as slow as christmas so you cant do much but try to overtake.
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You are right, some people are painfully slow, but I find fun in the challenge. I get a lot of Hachis in my lobbies and theyre always in the middle of the track going 15mph, and I dont find much more fun then trying to follow them in my high power S2K. Its not easy and I often nudge them, but the fact that Im trying should speak volumes.
 
IMO, while in a public room/free run?? (no matter if you're in a 4WD, FR, FF, RR or MR)

if the car in front tends to be a little slow or be sloppy?
you should wait for your chance to overtake.

1) as long as its a clean overtake
2) if you mess up the other driver, an apology will suffice
3) too many apologies should result in boot. lol XD

b/c; sitting behind someone who is simply not drifting well, is not only annoying to the 3rd person in line but to everyone on the track as well (on average).
b/c; to successfully tandem with someone less skilled or in a painfully underpowered car, might be skillful in its own right.

but not everyone wants to tandem in a public/free-run room.
not everyone will be on same par as far as skill,
and ofcourse some people will want to bring out the x1
some will drive the laramie and want to ram everyone while going the wrong way.

and dont forget if the tire class isnt restricted, you'll have that other issue as well!

which, sorta, brings us back into the subject of overtaking...

in a public room? it should be unsaid that overtaking is allowed... as long as it is done right!
if not? the host should kick or a 'kick vote' option should do!

in a competition/battle??? ...this is for judges and drivers....
if the rules restrict overtaking? then no overtaking!
if the rules state no 4wd? then dont complain.
if the rules restrict HP? then dont complain.
you cant just run past the hurdles in a track&field competition and expect to get first place!!!

be an adult and follow the rules on whatever is agreed upon!
whether its 'd1' style or a 'ducktape deathmatch!!' lol

as far as how strict the 'rules' shoud be? smh... agree on something and roll!
 
Adavicro
You are right, some people are painfully slow, but I find fun in the challenge. I get a lot of Hachis in my lobbies and theyre always in the middle of the track going 15mph, and I dont find much more fun then trying to follow them in my high power S2K. Its not easy and I often nudge them, but the fact that Im trying should speak volumes.
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Exactly.. I use a 600hp Corvette.. i find nothing more rewarding than following an s13 round tsukuba! if you can follow a slower car then you are on to something special!

this is pretty much what i have thought the battles have been abot! H2H was definately! on suzuka we had stupid lines but cars were getting amazingly close and it didnt matter what line you had aslong as its door to door!

i only take line into account when qualifying in a single car run :)

and yes about the no overtaking! it shows skill and determination if you try to follow the car ahead and match his line and beat his angle than just power past him and try and get an automatic win!
 
I might not have much of a say in this but here goes...

Adavicro
Overtaking somone in a batle that takes a sloppy line or goes extremely wide is fine in my opinion if the rules allow it, but when Im simply hosting a tandem lobby I try to enforce a "No Overtaking Policy." It seems too many people think that the aim of drifting with other people is to overtake them as soon and as much as possible. I gain a lot more respect for a drifter if they try following the lines of a driver in an underpowered car, especially if their lines are sketchy. Sure, if it looks like theyre about to fly off the track then pass them, but you better try your best to follow them from point to point.
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Im one of the sketchy line drifters since im learning from scratch. I know I slow people down since I know that I don't know as much as them about drifting or tuning a car for drifting. Since I lack any experience in drifting I don't tandem drift yet, but when I host my own room people come in and try to take it over and turn it into a tandem room. I have no problem if they do it but, don't force me into it since im learning how basic drift.

FreDemon
IMO, while in a public room/free run?? (no matter if you're in a 4WD, FR, FF, RR or MR)

if the car in front tends to be a little slow or be sloppy?
you should wait for your chance to overtake.

1) as long as its a clean overtake
2) if you mess up the other driver, an apology will suffice
3) too many apologies should result in boot. lol XD

b/c; sitting behind someone who is simply not drifting well, is not only annoying to the 3rd person in line but to everyone on the track as well (on average).
b/c; to successfully tandem with someone less skilled or in a painfully underpowered car, might be skillful in its own right.

but not everyone wants to tandem in a public/free-run room.
not everyone will be on same par as far as skill,
and ofcourse some people will want to bring out the x1
some will drive the laramie and want to ram everyone while going the wrong way.

and dont forget if the tire class isnt restricted, you'll have that other issue as well!

which, sorta, brings us back into the subject of overtaking...

in a public room? it should be unsaid that overtaking is allowed... as long as it is done right!
if not? the host should kick or a 'kick vote' option should do!

in a competition/battle??? ...this is for judges and drivers....
if the rules restrict overtaking? then no overtaking!
if the rules state no 4wd? then dont complain.
if the rules restrict HP? then dont complain.
you cant just run past the hurdles in a track&field competition and expect to get first place!!!

be an adult and follow the rules on whatever is agreed upon!
whether its 'd1' style or a 'ducktape deathmatch!!' lol

as far as how strict the 'rules' shoud be? smh... agree on something and roll!
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I often get nudged or rammed because im slower than other people. Most of the time its a ram. Im trying my best to get faster but I can only do so much. And when I get rammed it throws me out of my "learning curve" and then I get all screwed up and can't even get back to where I was before I got rammed. I don't know how to kick people but it would be nice to know for when I get rammed repeatedly by the same person. I try not to overtake if the opportunity shows I hold back till either, A.) I lose control of a drift B.) The person in front of me loses control of a drift C.) Some jerk behind me wrecks us both, which gets me yelled at even though its not my fault.
 
jimy281090
wasnt myself that set it up. i just turnedd up, youve seen me around?
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Ye, ofcourse. But i was still a noob at that time tho.. It was like 2-3 weeks ago and i tried to tandem with u. i got the game on the 4th of feb you know..


And on the last subject i agree, following slower cars in my m5 or GT 350z( Favorite drifter btw) is hellafun. Also im dissapointed how most ppl actually cant drift, or drift with veyrons orsmth and just crash me, neither they give a **** about that, lol. Thats why i mostly visit full japanese tsukuba servers.
 
I've actually seen D1 drifting and the only rule I have a problem with on GTp's forum drift contest is the overtake rule.....In D1 you CAN overtake a car and if the trailing car does it's an auto loss for the lead car. Period. The reasoning is that normally if the front car is on it's correct line, the trailing car can't pass. This is why I posted the D1 rules because I knew that this argument was going to come up. In the Future just use D1 rules, and get Impartial Judges. In fact get 1 judge from each team and 1 impartial one, not from either team.
 
Oh as for the the original posters statement. In D1 drifting they have what they call officials at all turns in the Course to judge issues which the Judges can miss such as minor spins, collisions, Etc. The only way to simulate this would be to start a race but only the 2 drivers race alone, everyone else watch, and after they race, if there's a question as to contact knocking someone off a Line, the one impartial judge can leave go to replay, come back to the room and make a ruling.
 
SKOT_FREE
Oh as for the the original posters statement. In D1 drifting they have what they call officials at all turns in the Course to judge issues which the Judges can miss such as minor spins, collisions, Etc. The only way to simulate this would be to start a race but only the 2 drivers race alone, everyone else watch, and after they race, if there's a question as to contact knocking someone off a Line, the one impartial judge can leave go to replay, come back to the room and make a ruling.
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You make a valid point here. In NZ we used to use a 'clipping point' judge who would be positioned in places that it would be hard for the 3 main judges to see. Having cars positioned on crucial parts of the circuit would be beneficial on some of the longer tracks such as Suzuka East
 
The only problem of having the overtake rule is that the RX7 Spirit R is quite fast, meaning if your against a slower car its like racing GT500 against GT300.

And I dont care what some people say, setup only changes speed slightly, it changes the way the car acts a lot, but speed? Barely. Camber slows it down from what I have seen, not much speeds it up.

Its PD's fault for making the RX7 like that. Did a quick test and found my crap lap of Tsukuba in the RX7 was roughly 1.5 to 2 seconds faster than 7 good laps in my well-setup RX8. Such a gap would cause point loss if I was chasing. Just because of the car he/she chose. Not really fair.

(lets not forget, my rx7 ONE lap was awful, no apexes were hit, guessed the setup, 7 RX8 laps, hit most apexes etc etc. so imagine the gap if I tested the RX7 more. Its a bit stupid really.)
 
i9-wilson-9i
blitz drift team this was im not botherd about saying there name.
bunch of little kids.
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one of the biggest problems in this game is little kids. from trying to collect all the x1 colors to annoying you over the mic with their high pitched squeals. There are so many little hyper-competitive little kids who started drift teams and suck really bad. there is one kid in particular, team-one-dk, who keeps joining my team's lobbies and annoying us constantly
 
jimy281090
As a part of the drifting community on GTP for a reasonable amount of time now, I have come to find the rules everyone uses the exact same! Rules such as Spin out = 10-0, a heavy collision = 10-0! NO OVERTAKING and if so give the position back! Slow starts to allow the slower car to keep close.

Last night UDT were battling A team I would rather not mention and all hell broke loose!

First of all in my first battle, the other member spun out causing me to nudge him as he face planted the wall! He claimed it was my fault and 1 of the judges claimed the score 8-2.. This is an automatic 10-0 to me as i did not spin nor cause the spin what so ever!.

Second of all in GTWelsh's second battle the lead car for the other team shot off without being told to start and when told to return to the start line he complained because he had a near perfect run!

Now Third time was alot of controversy which sparked the gas! HMSmotorsport was using a BMW tii, he was overtaking by an RX7 but not allowed his position back and the RX7 grew such a lead that a tandem score could not be given! First of all the overtaken car was not given his place back so re-run or a score in favour oof HMSmotorsport should be given.
But this just caused mayhem in the room!

In my second run I was yet again door to door with the car I was chasing and keeping a steady line. I rubbed his door Twice which did not affect his line nor speed and i was getting abuse down the microphone! Second run I was lead car.. Multiple occasions I was knocked off line and heard the guy say "You done it to me" so I was quite annoyed.
Not only was he approaching the inside of the corner straight to so he could nudge me but he wasn't really trying!

Can anyone tell me exactly what is wrong with people that don't pay attention? They were given a run over of the rules before the battling started! Why don't people listen?

Have any of you out there had any bad experience of running tandem team battles?
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Wow this sounds really familiar Jimmy... Welcome to my world... LOL!!!

This is the joys (or lack thereof) of battling other players...
 
In D1GP yes they can overtake, but only because there is one line they are supposed to stick to. In GT5 lets face it there are many different lines, non of which are truly considered the "ONLY" line to take.

Understand?????
 

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