hey all, i'd like to find out what everybody's views on drifting are and how that compares to the drifting scene here, away from playstations.. personally i have been drifting (real not computer games) since 2002 and i'm ok at it.. i've got a 3rd place in competition once before but since moving to the mountains there are no comp's here. so my views.. understeer: massive no no! i 'm more of a fan of race/ high speed drifting than display drifting. 4x4 is banned in competition in europe and i agree with this. 4x4 has no place in drifting as it makes it way to easy to regain your line from some angles that are even negative. i know it's possible to also do this with rwd cars but it takes a lot more skill rather than just flooring it and steering in the countersteer direction. twin drifting / battle drifting is the nuts! i like to race my ghost in gt4 but try very hard not to touch it as it was a real car. my definition of drifting? controlling a rear wheel drive car in a constants state of oversteer and linking both left and right hand corners while staying in a constant state of oversteer. i think just one corner at a time is more powersliding but with some corners (like tightening ones) takes a lot more skill and thus it's more drifting than just getting it sideways. do you drift other things? i try to drift my mountain bike on gravel.. it's hard work on the pedals but it's just about possible for a couple of corners at a time. i quite often drift my quad bike on the mountain passes i snowboard in the winter and you can hang the tail out on that but it's more like arse dragging than drifting as there is no power to the back of the board keeping it in the angle.. however snoboarding and drifting share many weight shift techniques and are closer related than it would apear on the surface. what is the drifting scene like in your area? here it's quite minimal with me being the driving force behind it and trying to get the locals to join in.. but living in a area tha is under snow and ice for 6 months of the year, few people have rear wheel drive cars as they are a nightmare in the winter. some might think it's cool to drift in the snow (any they would be right) but it's almost impossible to climb the mountain passes when there is 1m or more fresh snow on the road. coming back down again is great fun though. drift scars.. lets face it, if your sideways at high speed sooner or later your going to make a mistake and pick up the odd dent or scrape on the car (we call them drift scars) had any bad ones? i stuffed the right rear corner of an MR2 into a solid rock face last year and have pulled the bumpers (fenders) off my cars many times. they are only held on by zip ties to reduce damage to the car and the bumpers. have you got a favorite place to drift? in gt4 i love many of the tracks for drifting.. apricot hill is great and fast, autumn ring and mini are great. others like grand valley tskuba is good but a bit dull. and of corse 'the ring'. in real life it's really hard to drift. too much traffic and a massive risk of crashing. if you hit the gard rails at the edge of the track it can cost up to 30,000 to repair and recover your car. also there is a lot of traffic on the road. in the game it's even harder i think. no traffic but the twitchy handling of gt4 make for some intersting moments round the lap. in real life i love drifting 'the ring' but tbh i have only tried a few times as you can get in a lot of trouble for messing around on there. the mountain passes round here are a lot more fun and are not a 5 hour drive from the house. i'll dig some google maps of the roads later. wow i typed a lot there, sorry. so what are your views on all/any of this?