Drifting.. Steering options?

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Hello, I'm a PAL user asking you wich setting you people use in the options menu under 'steering'. ie active steering, steering assist. Because I can drift with my DS in GT4, but using my DFP I can't drift beyond a certain angle or the rear will break out and countersteering will have no effect, you can't get it back. Don't tell me how to drift cause I can with GT3, sims and all. ( Only with DFP and steering assist type on proff. Could not drift with DS in GT3 due to same problem I have now with DFP in GT4(?!)) I also started a thread in the GT3 drift forum about this. Could it be a problem with the PAL version because they make it harder then NTSC? One reason for the PAL delay was a revision of the driving engine.. Hmm.
 
i've had the same problem for a while when i first started trying to drift. i found that it was easiest under the "simulation" steering setting. for some reason i had a better feeling for the wheel. i can't drift all the time yet, but i feel that i'm making better progress than spinning out every turn.
 
Ok thanks for the reply but this is not what I mean. Drifting is not a problem for me but the game engine does not let me drift beyond a certain angle. even with the asm oversteer on one(normally zero DUH) I can perform a drift. with LSD, rear suspension set to not break out and the counter steering will have no effect beyond a certain angle. I know what I'm talking about because I had the same problem with GT3 until I had a DFP and changed the steering assist type to pro. I bet you're NTSC and I was hoping to get some reactions from PAL users..
 
I don't have this problem and I only changed it to simulation mode steering, you probably have it on amateur still, I think that's the reason. YOU AREN'T AMATEURS OR PRO ARE YOU*military peptalk* YOUR THE BEST OF THE BEST(simulation)NOW GO CHANGE IT:lol:!!!

edit: PAL user here:)
 
Falconair
GT4 Fan did you ever try drifting in GT3 with your DFP?
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Yeah absolutely I tried and had the exact problem (not able to countesteer enough, even at full lock!! I changed to sim mode and it was over just like that), so it has to be this or I don't know what it is:)
 
Pfff OK I'll try changing the steering options once more and I'll also change them in GT3 to see if we have the same solutions to this very annoying problem. Thanks 👍
 
Falconair
Pfff OK I'll try changing the steering options once more and I'll also change them in GT3 to see if we have the same solutions to this very annoying problem. Thanks 👍
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And maybe things like brake balance, LSD, or just complete other settings from the drift settings depot could help a lot, if the sim. mode doesn't work
Hang in there:), I know it's anoying if you can't even countersteer properly:indiff:

Edit: well this doesn't seem convincing advice from me, sorry, so post me your settings cause there might be some enormous problems there, or small problems with lot's of effect on handling:idea:
 
It says in the option menu the steering options simulation, pro etc. do not effect the driving force pro so...... I must be missing something. :nervous: :sly:
 
KurtG
It says in the option menu the steering options simulation, pro etc. do not effect the driving force pro so...... I must be missing something. :nervous: :sly:
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:scared: You might be right.........I think I haven't noticed a difference either, but it must have SOME sort of effect.........I hope............otherwise I've given Falconair pretty USELESS advice, he must post some settings, just to check them
 
It could also be the fact that he is counter-steering / steering too quickly, leading to understeer. I was watching my friend trying to drift, and at first, his steering was very erratic. After I gave him some pointers about smoothing out the steering, he improved quite alot.
 
MdnIte
It could also be the fact that he is counter-steering / steering too quickly, leading to understeer. I was watching my friend trying to drift, and at first, his steering was very erratic. After I gave him some pointers about smoothing out the steering, he improved quite alot.
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Maybe.......give us some more information Falconair, otherwise we can't really help you, only guess what your doing wrong
 
Sorry to add some confusion, maybe I'm not quite following this thread too well, but what setting for the DFP is the suggested setting (steering assist option) for drifting? I'm having some serious problems with GT4 drifting now, and I'm wondering if it's related to my wheel options.

Thanks in advance :sly:,

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vinsion
Sorry to add some confusion, maybe I'm not quite following this thread too well, but what setting for the DFP is the suggested setting for drifting? I'm having some serious problems with GT4 drifting now, and I'm wondering if it's related to my wheel options.

Thanks in advance :sly:,

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Not simulation! Seriously, it makes drifting next to impossible. I use Amature (with my DF not DFP) and it works quite well.

I also take the steering assists off.
 
GT4Fan I tried changing the steering assist type in GT3 to sim and it was again impossible to drift with... unlike all the other assist types, so it was possible, I was wrong about that. However in GT4 I have not been able to drift with as much an angle as I can with the DS, no matter what I change the assist type to... As soon as smoke starts to come of the wheels, if I countersteer VERY precisely, I can hold the drift for a moment and then the back slides out on me. A problem I don't have using the DS. Don't go off and tell me to change things like LSD settings or such because I know how to drift, I did it in GT3, and I can with my DS, just not with my DFP. I am trying to find out if PAL GT runs on a different game engine (DFP only perhaps). Perhaps you guys should read te thread started by me in the GT3 drift forum. Duke the GT administrator told me that in his NTSC version changing the steering assist type to professional had the game telling him that this was not possible or had no effect(using his DFP)....It didn't do this in my PAL version... Again: HMM. I've not replied in that thread though, I just wanted a few reactions from PAL users to see if my suspisions are correct. I hope not. I need to hear from an experienced drifter he can drift with PAL GT4 using a DFP, and I mean an experienced drifter.

Swift, Tankspanker, perhaps you guys could shed some light on this?
 
OK but I still can't drift with my DFP and PAL game. No matter wich settings I use. Reactions people.

Afraid to burn your fingers? Please somebody prove me wrong, or tell me if you know anything.
 
Drifting is not impossible on simulation..... I have my settings on simulation, no power assist, and strong. Can drift pretty well with it 👍
 
Alright, NOW your problem is getting real serious:irked: Let me think......not LSD......or other settings(cause you say you know about it pretty well).......not the sim. option or something...........maybe countersteer, but you've been very precise............I really don't have a clue..........I hope other members DO but I think I need a vid. to see this:indiff: I'm sorry for you but...........well drifting stays possible, so there MUST be a solution:irked::odd:..............other members?:nervous:
 
ahh.... ive got a japanese version, but i cant read most of the chinese characters in there, so where do i find this steering option menu, ive got a DFP, and ive been finding drifting not too difficult...in regards the problem of not being able to countersteer fast enough.... try your suspension, ull probly find your car is whipping sideways too quickly, may want to make it a tad higher or and tad softer...
 
What do you mean antisport? You a PAL user? If you know something I don't, then please tell me otherwise don't bother to reply because I am getting a bit tired of this as well :indiff: :yuck:
 
Falconair
Swift, Tankspanker, perhaps you guys could shed some light on this?
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okay, i bought the DFP today, and was reminded of this thread. So here i am.

I love the wheel for racing, it feels absolutely amazing, no regrets whatsoever.

Then I tried some drifting, and will say that I understand the frustration of members here much better now. 900 MODE IS TOUGH.
So far (and this is only after 4 hours practicing), it seems to me that 900 degrees is too many rotations to get the kind of response i want, and 200 mode lacks precision.
520 might have been a perfect comprimise, but I cant do anything about that.
I just have to learn to drift all over again. :crazy:

anyways, for the DFP, i have the steering options set as follows:
active steering: off
steering type: doesnt effect DFP, so whatever
Power Assist: off (still experimenting here)
force feedback: mild

I also had unplugged the power supply and tried that - the force feedback and everything was completely removed. The wheel only moved if you turned it.
it helped in some cases, and was was troublesome in others.
I decided to turn it back on, in the end.

been doing a lot of wall bashing today in my demo miata. Thinking i might continue as a ds2 drifter, and reserve the dfp for sim mode races, and racing in the ISCC (whenever azuremen and i get that series fired up again).

My only recommendation now is to just spend more time with it practicing. I certainly will, especially after seeing Black Cat Mikes RX7 video.
(i wish i had more room in my dorm room for some sort of rig. The wheel is setup way to high on my desk, and I dont have a height adjustable chair)
 
TankSpanker
okay, i bought the DFP today, and was reminded of this thread. So here i am.

I love the wheel for racing, it feels absolutely amazing, no regrets whatsoever.

Then I tried some drifting, and will say that I understand the frustration of members here much better now. 900 MODE IS TOUGH.
So far (and this is only after 4 hours practicing), it seems to me that 900 degrees is too many rotations to get the kind of response i want, and 200 mode lacks precision.
520 might have been a perfect comprimise, but I cant do anything about that.
I just have to learn to drift all over again. :crazy:

anyways, for the DFP, i have the steering options set as follows:
active steering: off
steering type: doesnt effect DFP, so whatever
Power Assist: off (still experimenting here)
force feedback: mild

I also had unplugged the power supply and tried that - the force feedback and everything was completely removed. The wheel only moved if you turned it.
it helped in some cases, and was was troublesome in others.
I decided to turn it back on, in the end.

been doing a lot of wall bashing today in my demo miata. Thinking i might continue as a ds2 drifter, and reserve the dfp for sim mode races, and racing in the ISCC (whenever azuremen and i get that series fired up again).

My only recommendation now is to just spend more time with it practicing. I certainly will, especially after seeing Black Cat Mikes RX7 video.
(i wish i had more room in my dorm room for some sort of rig. The wheel is setup way to high on my desk, and I dont have a height adjustable chair)
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Gongrats!:sly: You have arrived in the terrible 900 mode drift section:lol: I'm gonna try the DS2 sometime, but I think it just seems wrong while having a DFP:indiff:
If I make a vid. the vid. says at the end:
FR=DS2
AWD=DFP 900 mode

Now that looks dumb doesn't :crazy: Well whatever, I'm just going to try:)
 
Well, I just recently got a DFP as well...

I'm starting on the kind of drifint I enjoy, the high speed low counsteer drift.

What I am finding is that you need to be able to feel how the wheel reacts to the road. It emulates like kinda all right, with how resistence works.

My settings are basically default at the moment, and I have played with them a fair amount. I found the feed back needs to be on strong for me to feel the tires, and power steering keeps me from ripping the wheel of its extremely ghetto mount (an ironing board)

I'm making progress on it though...
 
TankSpanker
okay, i bought the DFP today, and was reminded of this thread. So here i am.

I love the wheel for racing, it feels absolutely amazing, no regrets whatsoever.

Then I tried some drifting, and will say that I understand the frustration of members here much better now. 900 MODE IS TOUGH.
So far (and this is only after 4 hours practicing), it seems to me that 900 degrees is too many rotations to get the kind of response i want, and 200 mode lacks precision.
520 might have been a perfect comprimise, but I cant do anything about that.
I just have to learn to drift all over again. :crazy:
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If you say it's tough, then I know it is going to take me a while to get a hang off. I find the wheel to excellent when I'm in a full out race. I feel more precise when driving with it. But drifting is a whole other story. Then again, I've only been practicing drifting for about 2 days. And I never really did much in GT3, to occupided with finishing the game.
 
I think the issue here is not knowing the amount of countersteer needed. How many revolutions for a particular angle. My tip is to first figure this out, since the wheel is linear, park your car and start turning the wheel slowly and observe the amount the front wheels turn. This first step will help you guys understand the 900 degree wheel.

As you turn in and intiate oversteer, prepare yourself for the vehicle’s rear end kicking out, immediately countersteer the wheels to face straight with the road. Your vehicle will pull in the direction of the front wheels, as long as the wheels are still moving. Moderate the throttle to help push your though the drift. If you press the brakes or let off the throttle because your vehicle is in an extremely oversteered condition, you will spin out or leave the road.

My settings for drifting on the wheel is to turn the power down to one notch and set the power to mild. All other steering assist off. 👍
 
BreakerOhio
I think the issue here is not knowing the amount of countersteer needed. How many revolutions for a particular angle. My tip is to first figure this out, since the wheel is linear, park your car and start turning the wheel slowly and observe the amount the front wheels turn. This first step will help you guys understand the 900 degree wheel.

As you turn in and intiate oversteer, prepare yourself for the vehicle’s rear end kicking out, immediately countersteer the wheels to face straight with the road. Your vehicle will pull in the direction of the front wheels, as long as the wheels are still moving. Moderate the throttle to help push your though the drift. If you press the brakes or let off the throttle because your vehicle is in an extremely oversteered condition, you will spin out or leave the road.
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yep, this has been my trouble point so far. I know when to countersteer, but I cant figure out how much.
A big thing i discovered for myslf was how much more important throttle control is with the wheel (this hit me this morning). Since the steering is nowhere near as fast as with the DS2, more though must be given to how the throttle is affecting the car's rotation - especially nearing the exit.
I used to go trough drifts nearly flat out and just control angle with steering. On the DFP things have changed drastically - its like i control angle more with throttle now. Meh, maybe my steering is just slow....
 
TankSpanker
yep, this has been my trouble point so far. I know when to countersteer, but I cant figure out how much.
A big thing i discovered for myslf was how much more important throttle control is with the wheel (this hit me this morning). Since the steering is nowhere near as fast as with the DS2, more though must be given to how the throttle is affecting the car's rotation - especially nearing the exit.
I used to go trough drifts nearly flat out and just control angle with steering. On the DFP things have changed drastically - its like i control angle more with throttle now. Meh, maybe my steering is just slow....
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Naahh...I believe the major feedback I have been getting, is that it's more in the throttle. I found this out myself as well.
 

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