Drifting with SIM tires and 300HP

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I tried drifting with a 300HP car on SIM tires...the car goes all over the place just by accelerating on the straightaway, let alone drift. So I'm assuming that you can't have to much HP if you want to use SIM tires and drift...is this correct?

Is there a max amount of HP that a car should have if you want to drift with SIM tires?

Thanks
 
Well, I almost always drift sims at about 300 hp. If you're having problems going all over the place, I'd first suggest keeping the revs down, as higher rpm's usually means more power. So, go up a gear, and drift around 4k rpms, instead of at the red line. Also, if you ever need to downshift in the middle of a drift, remember that you'll get more torque all of a sudden, so you'll need to let off the gas some. As for your straight line problems, you really need to go easy on the gas with such slick tires. Or, you can just try starting in 2nd gear instead of 1st, as 1st will ALWAYS smoke the tires. Or, you could just dump off about 50 hp :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by Asian_Drifter
I tried drifting with a 300HP car on SIM tires...the car goes all over the place just by accelerating on the straightaway, let alone drift. So I'm assuming that you can't have to much HP if you want to use SIM tires and drift...is this correct?

Is there a max amount of HP that a car should have if you want to drift with SIM tires?

Thanks
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Well, first off, it depends on what kind of car you are using. 300hp on some cars make the car easier/harder to drift because of the layout of the car or the weight distribution of the car, so I am assuming you are either using a RX-7 FC or Trueno? Anywho, you just have to be careful about how much angle you are drifting at. Whenever I drift, I usually pay attention to the rear view mirror to see whether or not there is smoke. If there is, then I am drifting and I am getting enough angle for the drift :) And what Purple Platypus said works also ;)

Cars can be setup with different settings, as long as it works for the driver. Try looking around in the Drift Settings Depot or in the first two top threads in the forum. They can help you setup your car to your liking :)

I hope that helps :D
 
well, you know, its not about how much hp the car can use, its about how much you NEED. Do you really *need* 300hp to keep the car sideways? if yes, as thio suggested, set up the car so that it drives to suit your style, and learn to control it. If no, lower the hp. If need be, set the TCS to one to help you learn throttle control, then once yo have it down with TCS on, turn it off and have a go at it. But remember, turning TCS on will shorten the distance you will be able to drift, because it will reduce the amount of wheelspin allowed before it kicks in the automated throttle control. With it off, you can go longer distances by increasing wheelspin, but watch out when you start to lower the amount of wheelspin, just letting of the gas will result in a spinout of the wheelspin is too great, so if you get the tires spinning really fast, make sure you let off the gas slowly and ease the car into the drift as oppossed to just lifting off and pushing into the corner hard, because as the wheel slow down, the greater amount of grip will cause the car to spin inward, balance it right and you can go through the corner with little oversteer and a nice bit of opposite lock, but miss it,and you'll go spinning. I cover this alot more in-depth in my drift guide (link in my sig)
 
Just get the car sideways and keep it that way. Settings are optional. Practice is key.

I for one have loads of fun with my Griffith 500 (393 hp) on T0s. I could've perfectly done without the port polish and engine balancing, but it's still tame, well, tame enough.
 
my Chaser has 505hp.....and i can start fine with it on the straights....and its like my second fave drift car.....my first being my Spoon S2k@444hp, 3rd is my Spec-R at 470hp.
the reason my main drift cars have soo much power is not because i cant hold a drift in a lesser powered car...(my trueno has 142hp..and i run fine with it) but because the higher your power is...(to a certain extent) the more capable you car is of ultra long link drifts and sweepers...
for example.....with my Chaser, due to its massive power..i can drift the whole Midfeild I track with ease....swaying only once at all the straightaways...then i hop into my 240sx(214hp) and it takes much more effort for the same effect.

also, you will find linking turn 3 to turn 4 on trial mountain impossible with a car with say 180-230hp...yet in a car with 320+hp, it can be done with ease.
i think power is based on how good you are....just cos you use less power dosent make you a better drifter;)
 
Just because you to argue about non-important things doesn't answer his question. It's aint about power. It's about the hp/weight ratio. If you use 300hp in a trueno that **** is gonna spin like you're mom on red bull. But in a heavier car like the Chaser that's just enough.

- Adam
 
Originally posted by zoxxy
Just because you to argue about non-important things doesn't answer his question. It's aint about power. It's about the hp/weight ratio. If you use 300hp in a trueno that **** is gonna spin like you're mom on red bull. But in a heavier car like the Chaser that's just enough.

- Adam
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Exactly, finally someone gets it right. The weight and HP is what you should be paying attention to, when you are choosing your tires. 300hp is way too much for a car like the Trueno, because it is so light. Whereas a car like the Chaser, has more weight to keep it planted on the tarmac. I usually don't let my sim drift cars, get over 250hp, but of course this depends on the cars power delivery, and response. The type of engine, and amount of torque can play a big role in how much power you need, and how much will throw off the ballance. For example, the rotary engines tend to need more power to keep the wheels spinning, probably due to their lack of torque in the low to mid end.....

Furthermore, I can completely link Apricot Hill, Laguna Seca, Midfield I and II, just as easily with my 240hp S14, as with my 500hp RPS13. The power does not matter very much at all. You only need enough power to get the wheels spinning, then you rely on momentum, to keep you going. It just shows more skill, to link with a 200hp car, then a 400hp car, because it shows a better sence of weight transfer, technique, and overall ability.....

and Zamataki, there isn't any section in GT3, that I can't link with a low powered car. Once you have your desired speed, you just adjust it slightly for each corner, and let momentum keep the car drifting..............

Don't get me wrong, I love drifting with my 480hp cars, but I throw normals, or sports on them, so they will be more in ballance..........


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i set up some of my cars with around 500-600hp.

better response and smokey like hell, hahaha.
 
Originally posted by Jeradd101
Very true but more power makes it easier to link just because all you have to do is be on the gas
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not nessicarily. with more power you have to constantly keep a check on your rpms when downshifting mid-drift....and with more power and the DS2, you must actually make use of that little pressure sensitive feature as to keep the perfect rpm.......whearas in my lower powered 218hp AE86S.S. i just slam down the gas and it goes....not much throttle control.
high HP drifting has its differences from lower HP drifting.
high hp is focused on throttle control and ideal rpm.
lower hp drifting is focused on desired entry speed and weight transfer techniques.
 
Originally posted by 123abc
Well, my FD has about 430 hp and sims out back and it stays straight on the track just fine.
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That's a rotary, which I explained in my post.....

Rotary's tend to need more power............

That's about what I have on my FD RS....... ;)
 
As I said in my previous post it's not about the power itself but the hp/weight ratio. But it also depends on the driver, what control device he's using and most important of them all, which track you're driving on. My friend use a 250 hp S13 with sims and he handle's that car like it would have 1000hp because he often spin out of control even with that fair power. I use 300 hp tops in the cars without rotary(:bowdown: ) engine. Oh, and about this 'linking'. I dont think that sliding on the straights is linking. I just use direct liinking which means that you only change the direction once before entering the corner. That's what I call real linking

- Adam
 
The drift king says you can focus on suspension, lsd, exhaust etc, when producing a drift car. No insane engine mods needed. (1000bhp supras cough... )
 
but 900rwhp drifting supras look so cool in real life!

*ph33r teh yellow supra*

that drift (more like peel out) around that track was insane, for those of you who've seen it.
 
Originally posted by zoxxy
As I said in my previous post it's not about the power itself but the hp/weight ratio. But it also depends on the driver, what control device he's using and most important of them all, which track you're driving on. My friend use a 250 hp S13 with sims and he handle's that car like it would have 1000hp because he often spin out of control even with that fair power. I use 300 hp tops in the cars without rotary(:bowdown: ) engine. Oh, and about this 'linking'. I dont think that sliding on the straights is linking. I just use direct liinking which means that you only change the direction once before entering the corner. That's what I call real linking

- Adam
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I agree with you that swaying isn't linking in the pure sence, but as long as you do not regain traction, you are still drifting. So whether you think it's linking or not, is irrelevant, it is linking.......

Also, swaying down the straights, at big angles looks pretty cool, and it just feels good to link a whole course without regaining traction.................

You are absolutely right about the HP/Weight ratio. The weight plays a big role in how much HP you should have to keep overall ballance.......


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I just tried the 'swaying technique' and it is fun, and it's a good way to practise. Ok, it is linking *draws an 8 with his foot with is hands behind the back*

- Adam
 
I only use DS2. No matter which car I drift/drive. But if I had a wheel, the situation maybe would be different :LOL:
 
Jeradd101-
I dont get why you keep blaming mistakes on your DS2. Alot of the 'Master Drifters' around here use them ( I'm pretty sure silviadrifter uses them) and they dont seem to have problems with it. I just think you should stop complaining about them and practise with it and see there isn't anything wrong with them.
 

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