Driving ethics: kerbs, legal or no?

[PJTierney]

Interesting topic, not quite as clear cut as I would have imagined.

I think there are 2 ways a driver should approach track limits:

1. If you are competing in a race series, follow said series' track limit guidelines to the maximum. If a series allows you to ride kerbs then do so wherever it gives you a time advantage; if a series says you need to keep all 4 wheels between the white lines, that's what you must do. It's legal, so therefore you should make the most of it.

2. If you're racing somewhere where track limits are not defined by the rules, then it becomes a judgment call. Find something that you yourself feels is fair and stick to it. If it's not a race series (for example, it's a Public Lobby race) then the results don't matter. If you finished 2nd playing to your rules and the winner beat you by being more aggressive with track limits, you can at least take solace in the fact that you beat everybody else "fair and square" by your rules.

Personally, I follow whatever rules a series allows, but for "unregulated races" I go by what was legal in Forza Motorsport 4 (which I played in between GT4 and GT6): At least 1 wheel must be within the white lines all the time (if not, the game did not certify your lap).

If I break that limit and gain an advantage by doing so, then the fairest thing to do is to lift off or give a position back on the next straight. Same for knocking a competitor off-track if I believe it was my fault that he is in the grass.

 

[Bhowe83]

I don't see why we're getting heated over this. Just follow whatever the series/lobbies rules are and use as much track as you're allowed to go fast.

I saw a lot of heat about the group C car way past the white line, and that is the line I tend to run at Least Mans. And why wouldn't I? It's paved public roads, the white lines are there for traffic purposes not race purposes.

I'm going to use up as much of the pavement I can to get an advantage in lap time, and that's all part of racing.

 

[super_gt]

One of the things that always bugged me about GT is that it was too easy to roll over the curbs as if there was no difference between the adhesion on many curbs and the track surface itself, which just isn't the case in real life. I wish the curbs were more realistic in upsetting the balance of the car (requiring more precise steering inputs to maintain stability) and more realistic in levels of grip (requiring more care and precision with the throttle). If the curbs were as punishing as they are in real life, with sausage curbs breaking your suspension or throwing you airborne for example, we wouldn't have to worry so much about it, it would be self policing.

You have in mind this:
Big drift at 300 km/h after touching a bit the inside curb. However just stay flat!

👍

 

[PowerSlide77]

I don't think anyone's mad. Your post above helps us see where you are coming from. 👍 You said it a few times - "in real life", and I completely agree with those statements for real life racing.

This thread is in the GT6 section though, not the Motorsports forum, so the main discussion is focusing around the game. As @Spurgy 777 and others explained above, we have well thought-out reasons for all the boundary rules we enforce. Mostly so it's more "fun" than "work".

I understand and can't criticize your rules, these are your rules you can apply them as much as you want but just make sure that they don't go and drive like that in every room that they go because I'd hate to kick someone who's thinking that they're driving correctly (using your rules) when all I'll see is a person cutting corners (based on real life rules). Because I want people to drive like in real life and emulate (to a certain extend) real life racing in this game, that's why I'm saying all those things about real life in the game section (and mostly because I didn't know there was a motorsport section on GTP ).

 

[Spurgy 777]

I understand and can't criticize your rules, these are your rules you can apply them as much as you want but just make sure that they don't go and drive like that in every room that they go because I'd hate to kick someone who's thinking that they're driving correctly (using your rules) when all I'll see is a person cutting corners (based on real life rules). Because I want people to drive like in real life and emulate (to a certain extend) real life racing in this game, that's why I'm saying all those things about real life in the game section (and mostly because I didn't know there was a motorsport section on GTP ).

I'm sure the majority of WRS drivers would be happy to race to different track boundary rules if the host asked them too. Although I doubt you'll see many of them, because as far as I know most people race in WRS to avoid going into public lobbies

 

[PowerSlide77]

I'm sure the majority of WRS drivers would be happy to race to different track boundary rules if the host asked them too. Although I doubt you'll see many of them, because as far as I know most people race in WRS to avoid going into public lobbies

no! really? people in teams usually drive with each other to avoid going into public lobbies to avoid people not respecting rules already established.

But I was saying that because people can see their thread (out of curiosity or wanting to be part of it) and if they see the pictures at LeMans they might think "hey! this is probably acceptable everywhere? I'm going to drive like that everytime, everywhere!" that's why I said that.

 

[Nurburgthing.]

Senna liked to be close to the limits....

 

[vasiliflame]

Senna liked to be close to the limits....

Exactly this center of car and two wheels is the limit , more than this and it its an exploit