Driving Force -- Tips, hints and advice on how to drive

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I have played GT5 since release on the DS3. It hasn't been until last month or so where I picked up a cheap Driving Force to see if I really could bring my timings down on some courses.

Turns out its far easier to drive with the wheel over the DS3. I can easily see how this makes some players "faster" than with the DS3.

But then comes the FR.

FR, sports hard tires and I'm toast. Virtually, speaking. The moment the tires break loose it's over for me.

This sucks because my favorite online mode is shuffle. Now when I shuffle if the car is not FF/AWD I have no hope in taking the first few corners with the special-only online "ice tires".

If the rear of the car slips out during the first corner even just a hair then it ends the entire race for me. And then there I am, a very good driver (or so I thought), spinning around getting laughed at as 15 drivers go by me.

Frustrating because I have a year experience of playing GT5 on the DS3, it concerns me I can barely get a lap in with certain cars and tires without spinning out.

I've tried

  • Easy on the throttle
  • Counter steering fast knocking all sorts of important things off my table
  • Letting the wheel "fix itself", sometimes it will correct itself better without my aid?!
  • Shifting up higher coming out of turns to control wheel spin

Where is the magic button, what do I do to control a car that starts to over-steer?

What are some good settings so I'm not fighting with this?
 
Its tough to get used to. I got my G27 about a month ago. I still loose it sometimes too. you just have to be faster with your reaction to the oversteer. Or get a G27 and push in the clutch lol.

Some cars are just ridiculous (RUFs) but I got used to the Lotus Elise and like it, of course I do lose control i'm screwed cause i'm all over the road and always manage to either face the wall or backwards.

Sorry I'm not more helpful, but i feel your pain
 
inputs have to be smooth as possible.

since you don't get ds3's hidden assists now, you just can't turn the wheel completely to one side nor press the accelerator in an instant.

Try doing GTR2's and RBR's tutorials on the pc. Both are somewhat old games but have some of the best tutorials and physics to this day (way better than gt5 for that matter).

and counter steering is obviously a lot more difficult. That's why drifters still use the ds3.
 
Practice, practice, practice. I've played Gran Turismo on a controller for the past 13 years and I considered myself as a decent driver but when I finally got my G27 it was like learning over again.

Keep at it and you will get the hang of it.
 
NeoXenzaka
I have played GT5 since release on the DS3. It hasn't been until last month or so where I picked up a cheap Driving Force to see if I really could bring my timings down on some courses.

Turns out its far easier to drive with the wheel over the DS3. I can easily see how this makes some players "faster" than with the DS3.

But then comes the FR.

FR, sports hard tires and I'm toast. Virtually, speaking. The moment the tires break loose it's over for me.

This sucks because my favorite online mode is shuffle. Now when I shuffle if the car is not FF/AWD I have no hope in taking the first few corners with the special-only online "ice tires".

If the rear of the car slips out during the first corner even just a hair then it ends the entire race for me. And then there I am, a very good driver (or so I thought), spinning around getting laughed at as 15 drivers go by me.

Frustrating because I have a year experience of playing GT5 on the DS3, it concerns me I can barely get a lap in with certain cars and tires without spinning out.

I've tried

  • Easy on the throttle
  • Counter steering fast knocking all sorts of important things off my table
  • Letting the wheel "fix itself", sometimes it will correct itself better without my aid?!
  • Shifting up higher coming out of turns to control wheel spin

Where is the magic button, what do I do to control a car that starts to over-steer?

What are some good settings so I'm not fighting with this?
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Practice is the magic word your looking for.

It was the same for me in GT5 Prologue. I could drive anything with a pad but once I got a wheel, FR and MR cars were complete nightmares. Now I wouldn't consider anything other than a wheel for GT5. It's become completely natural and I catch most moments.

Practice. Practice. Practice.
 
Should I stick with the DS3 if I'm very good with it, or is it better to take on the wheel?

What is considered most "professional", in GT series?
 
I'm in the same boat as you, been using DS3 all this time and I've got a DFGT shipping to me. Is it overly hard, or is it a great challenging fun to drive with the wheel ?
 
It helps to have a solid stand. Stick with the wheel, its so much more rewarding and fun. I started over with sunday cup when i got my wheel. Once you get the hang of it you have to plug the controller into the usb cause you'll forget where it is
 
It takes a week or two. When I first got my DFGT I went back to Automatic Transmission for a while just to get used the the steering, after I got used to the steering I turned manual back on and a few days after that I was beating my DS3 times. I would just go ahead and leave the other assists off other than ABS. They'll just slow your progress as you wean yourself off.

Also start with some slower cars first, and work your way up. If you jump straight into a Zonda R your first race you'll throw your DFGT into the tv. I've been wheel driving for almost a year and I still want to do that sometimes. Those powerful RWD drives are a handfull which is why they are the most fun.

It may be a little boring, but start back at the Sunday Cup, or Clubman cup and work your way back up A-spec using slower cars. You're still getting rewarded and it won't be as frustrating.
 
I can't believe that I went as long as I did without using a wheel because there is no other way that I would want to play GT now. The wheel make the game 100x better but it is very important to have your wheel mounted properly. There is a learning curve and starting with a slower car is great advice. You be beating all of your track times in no time.
 
NeoXenzaka
Where is the magic button, what do I do to control a car that starts to over-steer?

What are some good settings so I'm not fighting with this?
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Try lowering the front ride height about 5 clicks and raise the rear about 5 clicks. Just ensure that the spread between the front ride height and rear is at least 10 points. Try that and if it still loops add some more to the rear. If it's too tight after this, decrease the spread.
 
NeoXenzaka, when you oversteer, which side does the car end up turning? For example if you take the first left hander at Nordschleife and lose the rear, which way does the car turn for you?

If you end up spinning left, you didn't countersteer fast enough or held the gas down too much.

If you end up spinning to the right or lose control of the car entirely, you've countersteered too much too fast or let of the gas too much.

Proper countersteering is a combination of slightly turning the wheel and slightly letting off the gas. It's a matter of finding the proper amount to doing both. In some cases it's best to keep both to a minimun, letting off the gas just a little bit and turning the wheel just a little bit, but on some occasions it's better to turn the wheel a bit more and keep the gas floored.

You just have to find the feel for it, but trust me it won't take long. As people have said, start with slower cars and work your way up.

Ps. And about 'letting the wheel correct itself', it's a good idea but you mustn't take your hands off the wheel. You can relax your grip a bit and feel how much the wheel is pulling and try to find the balance at which the car keeps going straight even though you're sliding, but after that you have to work the car straight again.
 
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Indeed you need to find the feel for it, just keep driving. When driving FR on low grip tires, be smooth on the throttle, PLUS make sure the wheel is straight or near straight when you accelerate abruptly. Making sure the wheel is straight before you accelerate hard is a no brainer in a road car, but in GT, people tend to forget. Especially since you are the one returning the wheel to center. Not the car.
 
hey everyone, i just got my DFGT, and i have a question
so, as i saw earlier on this thread, people recommended starting back at the basics, so i thought of no better way then to go through the whole license tests again, and try to get gold at the same time on ones where i previously was unable to
there was one thing i noticed, and im not sure if its me and my extreme care and treatment of everything, or a setting in which i can fix, i noticed that when plugged in, the DFGT has a HUGE amount of resistance when steering literally making it quite hard to drive, is this just an issue with the specific drive each car has, or is this a setting that can be adjusted? thank you in advance!
 
When I first got a wheel with GT3's release (a decade ago?) it literally took me 6 months before my lap times got back to what I was capable of with a dualshock. Now, it's nearly impossible for me to use a controller with any measure of consistency that I get with a wheel. Practice, and you'll eventually get it.
Watain
hey everyone, i just got my DFGT, and i have a question
so, as i saw earlier on this thread, people recommended starting back at the basics, so i thought of no better way then to go through the whole license tests again, and try to get gold at the same time on ones where i previously was unable to
there was one thing i noticed, and im not sure if its me and my extreme care and treatment of everything, or a setting in which i can fix, i noticed that when plugged in, the DFGT has a HUGE amount of resistance when steering literally making it quite hard to drive, is this just an issue with the specific drive each car has, or is this a setting that can be adjusted? thank you in advance!
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Did you try turning the force feedback down in the options menu? 4-6 is what most people seem to like.
 
Eric W
Practice, practice, practice. I've played Gran Turismo on a controller for the past 13 years and I considered myself as a decent driver but when I finally got my G27 it was like learning over again.

Keep at it and you will get the hang of it.
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Looks like I'm on the same boat as you. Just got my DFGT this week. First wheel I've ever owned. Love it,realistic,but spinning out with cars I've never spun out on with the DS controller.
I'll just have to put in more seat-time. :)
 
Throttle and braking control and smooth inputs are the magic answers. Also, try to imagine yourself driving a real car in realife. Unless your a professional racecar driver, you wouldn't be diving hard into turns late braking, or trying to full throttle it thru a turn. Try braking early and smooth, at least until you get more confortable, and let the car roll or only light throttle through to the apex. Once past the apex apply gradual throttle on exit only going full when straightened out. This will help get you comfortable and as you get better you can begin to brake later and push harder on exit. The Ds3 gives a false sense of driving in that with a flick of your thumb you can steer lock to lock and go from gas and brake just as fast which creates bad habits. Its not so in real life or with the wheel. Much more anticipation and precision goes into driving with the wheel which is why we all arent racecar drivers. Again, drive with the wheel as if you would drive for real and you'll carch on much faster.
 
The wheel absolutely gives more oversteer. I think a lot of it is because you aren't trying to turn the front wheels so far, but instead are trying to find their absolute maximum cornering grip and no more, thus making the rears work harder to follow along. Just my theory, but you do get more oversteer in virtually every game despite understeer always being somehow limited on the pad. You CAN get stronger understeer with a wheel, but you tend not to.

And it does take time, almost like learning a language. After years with a 200 degree wheel I still don't feel fully confident countersteering with 900 after several months. I'd use 440 more for race cars, but that seems to do funny things with the GT5 FFB in some cars like the FGT. Makes me wonder if it causes other issues I don't notice. Plus all the cars in GT5 have a ridiculously high max turning angle, and speed sensitive steering which I hate(not as bad as with the DS3, but it's still there especially in tight hairpins).
 
Some excellent advice here. I found that countersteering came intuitively but throttle control took more getting used to. Its all about a delicate right foot!
 
greggypoos
Some excellent advice here. I found that countersteering came intuitively but throttle control took more getting used to. Its all about a delicate right foot!
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This is the ticket I found. Though I still dont get countersteering as well but found the throttle control MUCH easy to pick up on.

Think real car with the inputs, fear the wreck... you will be slower for a while until it clicks but when it does its quite the epiphany. Start with a track you LOVE to drive on like others said with a weaker car...

Or start a new game on another account and do the whole game over, just ONLY with the wheel this time... Licenses, events, a-spec events, seasonals... Again, on this account DONT use the DS3 (this is what I have been doing)

Actually when doing the Licenses it uses Skid Recovery Force so it wont feel the same when you get into races if you dont normally use that aid (I dont)... BUT I golded the b-license almost first try for each of the tests with the wheel, but struggled more with the DS3. That would give you the confidence boost that is needed to keep going on the wheel I think ;)

Good luck, PRACTICE and enjoy your wheel!
 
A wheel is not always faster, some tracks and corners are more suited for the controller. The Madrid Mini time trial back in September showed that. 9 of the top 10 used a controller and the top 100 was dominated by controllers.

The advantage of the controller is it's easier to go lock to lock and you can just let go of the stick to get your tires dead straight again.

The wheel is definitely more fun though.
 
Gtuned
I'm in the same boat as you, been using DS3 all this time and I've got a DFGT shipping to me. Is it overly hard, or is it a great challenging fun to drive with the wheel ?
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It'll be hard at first, but fun at the same time.
 
ryanb98
It'll be hard at first, but fun at the same time.
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I find I have more fun with the DS3, with the wheel I cannot slide around generally being annoying.
 
mattythedog
I find I have more fun with the DS3, with the wheel I cannot slide around generally being annoying.
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If you have the right car to practice in, then it's easy to master. I learnt to slide with a wheel in the E92 M3.
 
greggypoos
Some excellent advice here. I found that countersteering came intuitively but throttle control took more getting used to. Its all about a delicate right foot!
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^^^ This is the golden key imho. Learning how to steer with the throttle is just as important as using the wheel. :)
 

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