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Launch control ban at Monaco?

May 18: It’s believed that safety fears could force the FIA to ban launch control at next week’s Monaco GP.
The talking point following last weekend’s Austrian GP and at Valencia this week has been launch control and whether it should be banned at Monaco next week.

In his post Austrian GP report, Planet F1’s Bob Constanduros summed up the dilemma facing the FIA perfectly.

‘What did you do at the start of the Austrian Grand Prix?’ wrote Bob ‘Laugh? Cry? Gasp in apprehension? Perhaps gasp at the futility of it all. Now, fast forward two weeks and imagine four cars stationary on the grid when the lights go out in the narrow confines of the Boulevard Albert 1er which also doubles as the start of the Monaco Grand Prix. Good laugh, eh?

‘In no way am I criticising the FIA for letting us enjoy the thrill of launch control. Their motives for allowing this new technological age are perfectly logical. But I suspect there might be a little missive to teams in the next few days along the lines of 'if doesn't work properly, and you have the slightest doubt about your launch control, could you please not bother to even try and use it in Monaco?' from the FIA.

‘Because if we have the same scenario as we had at the A1-Ring, where Jordan (one car, not two; Frentzen's was a jammed gearbox - perhaps because of launch control), McLaren, Ferrari (with Michael Schumacher's car) and Sauber all had problems, as we've seen with others in the past, we are going to have chaos at the sport's most prestigious race, and that can't be anything but bad.

‘There isn't the space at the pit lane exit where teams can attempt to test their latest modifications in comparison to the last race, so let me even add something to that last fantasist plea. The FIA might even ask every team not to use launch control at all in Monaco.’

It might have taken them a while to catch on – and we know that several of the teams and drivers read our site avidly, along we’re proud to say with veterans such as Chris Amon and Dan Gurney – but at long last the penny has dropped.

The Monaco GP is F1’s ‘jewel in the crown’ and although racing through the tight confines of the principality in itself is madness, the sport certainly can’t afford to add to the risk by risking a multi-car pile just yeads form the ‘beautiful people’.

Launch control has caused problems in both races staged since electronic gizmos were re-introduced in spain and thus far we’ve been lucky not to have had a major disaster on our hands.

Several drivers have already expressed their fears and it’s believed that the Grand Prix Drivers’ Association (GPDA) might call on the FIA to ban launch control for one race only.

Traction control and the other electronic driver aids were introduced, much to the chagrin of fans and many drivers, simply because the FIA couldn’t police them. Therefore although the devices could be banned in Monaco who’s to say that the FIA would know.

We understand that the teams have discussed the situation during this week’s test at Valencia and that opinions differ. However the problem at Monaco is exacerbated by the fact that drivers are not allowed to make practice starts, which in turns means that they will be unable to test their launch control systems.

Let’s hope that a decision is made soon and that it’s the right decision. Motor sport fans have has shed more than enough tears already this year.



 
The thing has been a pain.

Who wants an era of victories due to top rival launch failures?

Maybe they'll get it right.

But if Schumacher, Rubens or one of the Williamse's boys, because of launch failures, it'll be one hollow victory season.
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Yeah, I agree.  What exactly is launch control?
 
Launch control is an electronic system where the driver either presses or takes his finger off a button on the steering wheel to move the car forward as fast as possible with out causing wheelspin. The electronics can tell when the wheels are starting to spin and then they don't put any more power through the wheels until a gearchange has also been made. It is used to get the perfect start or in Jordans case, not to move at all. I think it is quite a complex system and that is why all the teams are having trouble with it because it puts a lot more strain on the engine, clutch, transmission and even the suspension.

I don't think you can ban it for Monaco after all the politics that went around its re-introduction and I think most teams will have ironed the bugs out by next weekend.
 
I didn't like the re-introduction of launch control, traction control and auto gearboxes to start with but if you look over the past couple of races, there have been no real suprise results.
 
Man, I didn't know about that!  That would be extremely helpful.  Maybe too helpful, though.  I really don't know what to think about these driver aids...
 
They had to let them back in because teams are so clever and the systems so complex that the FIA couldn't police them and they already had evidence that at least one team had been cheating by using traction control and the only fair way was to allow them back in.
 
Whatever happened to good old fashioned driving skills?
Let the drivers do the driving.  Its nice to have all these controls for these cars but when all these goodies are introduced to these cars it seems the driver has less input into their vehicle.  
The greatest computer in the world is the human mind and if drivers have all these controls working for them, then it would seem anyone could get in the seat of these cars and win championships.  Call me old fashioned, but I like the idea of driver input not electronic input.  
As an example, Kenny Roberts Jr rides the Suzuki RGV500 two stroke bike and its way underpowered by comparison to the Hondas, Kawasaki's etc, and if it were not for the skills of the driver, he would not have won the AMA 500cc World Championship.  No controls or electronics to help traction etc, just pure gutsy driving skills.  Just my opinion.  
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Nobody officially knows who was caught cheating but I think everybody can guess it was Ferrari. The good thing about these devices is that drivers can drive on the limit more than they could previously.
 
Faster is always a good thing.  Just as long as everybody goes faster...
 
Heres something Id like to see.  A car with these electronic controls and an equally equipped car without.  Two drivers of equal skill, which one would win.  The controlled car.  Kinda takes the game out of it.
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Oh, I don't consider this flaming, I wouldn't even call this an argument.  Like I said before, I don't really have a preference for either option, just whatever makes the racing more exciting.  :)
 
One some tracks you wouldn't see a difference like Barcelona where the gizmos weren't really effective but you would see a big difference at Monaco or at the Hungarian GP.
 
Is the Hungarian GP a street race?
 
I dont think F-1 should have either traction control or electronic start. They're taking away the work of the driver.  How can you tell how a driver is if everythings being taken care of by electronics. It takes a real driver to do good without these things. I know it helps the slower teams but still.  Get rid of it. Thats the only racing league that i know of that uses it. ALMS i know dont use it. Nor does any of the other racing i watch
 
Quote: from Phil on 2:15 pm on May 28, 2001[br]No but it is a very low grip circuit with slow corners. It uses pretty much the same car set up as Monaco.
 Cool.  To be honest, I didn't realize there was a GP in Hungary.  :)
 
I think I should copyright my posts and then you can pay me to quote me :cheesy:.
I think it is better to have it back in than have the name of Formula One blackened by cheating. You say about ALMS not using these driver aids but the level of technical expertise in Formula One compared to ALMS is so far apart you wouldn't believe it. ALMS tecnically is very basic compared to F1 because of the funding involved. Most ALMS teams run on a very tight budget and can't afford to develop these types of systems. Before the aids were re-introduced, Ferrari for the four races without the systems, spent $10m  on creating and advanced engine mapping system to bypass the traction control rules. Ferrari employed teams of software engineers working at Marenello and at the circuit to create and constantly upgrade sophistictated software code to suit the drivers individual driving characteristics, circuit, weather conditions, track conditions and even the drivers changing weights were calculated and software re-written. Thats how complexed some secret traction control systems were before the ban was lifted and the FIA couldn't stop this. The only way to police the systems was to allow them back in. Theoretically it should close the field up but the smaller teams like Minardi can't afford to develop the systems and even so, I don't think that it has made the lesser drivers and quicker. I know that the World Rally Championship allows the WRC cars to run launch control systems and I guess traction control as well. This championship is also governed by FIA so maybe they have too many holes in the rule book. I think this debate will go on for a long time about the right and wrongs of the gizmo's.
 
I'm pretty sure they have traction control in rally racing.
 
I think they do but I can't be 100% sure. I will have to check the rules and regulations on the FIA site.
 
Why must these IkonCodes mock me ? I think you get the idea. You wont believe I took computing at school would you.
 
LOL!  :D  You just forgot the /url at the end.
 
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