elise (exige) v6

[tm2003]

this awesome car is set to put money back into loutuses pokets
image.

 

[TsLeng]

This is the car to break the US market.

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by tm2003
this awesome car is set to put money back into loutuses pokets
image.

It's certainly nice, and a welcome departure from Lotus' all-too-stiff design spec for the Elise. If they feel put-upon by the VX220 Turbo, then they should definitely up the ante with the V6. I'm sure both the Elise and VX will remain lightweights (I hardly expect this mini-HP war to result in 427ci V8's dropped in), but I wouldn't want this to get out of control...not too much at least.

As for whether it comes to the US or not, it'd be nice, but I'm sure people will make unfounded claims about its apparent lack of safety. And this from a nation feeding on SUVs like candy....

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Hooligan


As for whether it comes to the US or not, it'd be nice, but I'm sure people will make unfounded claims about its apparent lack of safety. And this from a nation feeding on SUVs like candy....

Who's going to make these claims? Car nuts (the only people who would actually buy this car) have never given a damn what safety-conscious freaks felt about cars, since they generally know so little.

 

[Vasco]

The Exige has been out for at least 6 months down here... Isn't it out in the US yet???

 

[1X83Z]

Since the Elan was cancelled in the early 1990's ('91?), the only Lotus the US received was the Esprit - we've not gotten the Elise or Exige, despite their obvious huge sales potential.

 

[quicksilver1122]

In my opinion, the only one that looks good out fo those three is the Exige. The Esprit and the Elise both look terrible.

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by M5Power
Who's going to make these claims? Car nuts (the only people who would actually buy this car) have never given a damn what safety-conscious freaks felt about cars, since they generally know so little.

Bad statement, bucko. Letting that one slide...um, or maybe not.

The US has such asinine regulations concerning emissions and crash ratings. For instance, an 8mpg SUV gets a green light, but the 20mpg Mits Evo doesn't (without major changes)? The rollover-prone, exposed-steel-interior Wrangler gets higher marks for safety than a fully-airbagged Hyundai?

And keep you arrogant mouth shut about who knows what. I don't even understand why you joined here. You're not into the cars for anything other than the white-paper value they offer. You're not passionate about anything. You're like Rain Man: memorizing numbers and details, but having no emotional connection to it. You're boring. You're dead inside. I can't stand you anymore. I'd rather have a drag-out fight with sr780 about the "fun" of street racing than discuss anything with you. At least he puts emotion into it. At least he sees cars as more than just a jumble of steel and rubber that gets him from point A to point B.

Go away. Go far away. Go join a discussion about encyclopeadias...or textbooks...I don't care. I just don't want to see you're godforsaken idiotic typed crap anymore.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Hooligan
Bad statement, bucko. Letting that one slide...um, or maybe not.

The US has such asinine regulations concerning emissions and crash ratings. For instance, an 8mpg SUV gets a green light, but the 20mpg Mits Evo doesn't (without major changes)?

So, bucko ()? The Evo didn't have five MPH bumpers - do you know what its one-piece bumper would cost if dented in a collision?

And keep you arrogant mouth shut about who knows what. I don't even understand why you joined here. You're not into the cars for anything other than the white-paper value they offer. You're not passionate about anything. You're like Rain Man: memorizing numbers and details, but having no emotional connection to it. You're boring. You're dead inside. I can't stand you anymore.

I haven't dragged out the 'rotfl' smiley for months (it's hard to find, you know?) - even when it was due - but this clearly deserves it.

First off - attacking me personally is fun, I know. Don't get defensive based on that statement, I'm just pointing out that you've clearly got an affinity for it. Second - according to you, there's one way to like cars, and that's the way YOU do. You love Porsche, Ferrari, - whatever. Ninety percent of this country is realistic and drives a normal vehicle, including yourself. I don't care about fast cars - at all - because you don't see them every day and are insulted by the masses (or, better yet - 'yo, dude, can I have some money?') if you own or drive one (I'm talking $100,000 plus). I'm sorry if I like to judge which family sedan is the best (sorry, but it's a market far more competitive, interesting, and strategic than the latest quick Japanese or Italian car) and I'm sorry if I like to think practically about SUV's or minivans or station wagons - again, so does ninety percent of the country. I'm sorry if I love the Subaru Outback, Dodge Grand Caravan, Ford Contour, or Acura Integra sedan, but just because you like cars in a different way, you can't change my affinity, and you certainly can't convince me that yours is better. Dead inside? Come on.

I'd rather have a drag-out fight with sr780 about the "fun" of street racing than discuss anything with you. At least he puts emotion into it. At least he sees cars as more than just a jumble of steel and rubber that gets him from point A to point B.

Good point - I prefer functionality to looks. So what if I'm not emotional about cars? Does that upset your world? Are you looking down on me because I'm not in the exact same boat as you?

Go away. Go far away. Go join a discussion about encyclopeadias...or textbooks...I don't care. I just don't want to see you're godforsaken idiotic typed crap anymore.

A differing viewpoint to yours brings this tirade? Have a nice tantrum, I guess.

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by M5Power
The Evo didn't have five MPH bumpers - do you know what its one-piece bumper would cost if dented in a collision?

And what does cost have to do with safety regulations? What about having to replace entire panels on a fiberglass vehicle? What about getting a flat tire on the $180k 911 GT2? Aside from this inane bumper regulation, the car was fine.

Second - according to you, there's one way to like cars, and that's the way YOU do.

But that's just it. You don't like cars. You go for cars based on needs, not wants. Where's the love or hate in that? What part of your emotional side is met by needs? What part of "golly, it's so functional" makes you fun?

You love Porsche, Ferrari, - whatever. Ninety percent of this country is realistic and drives a normal vehicle, including yourself.

That's based on financial ability, not desire or needs. Period.

I don't care about fast cars - at all - because you don't see them every day and are insulted by the masses (or, better yet - 'yo, dude, can I have some money?') if you own or drive one (I'm talking $100,000 plus).

Um, what? I'm sorry, but could you explain the logic in that paragraph? I failed to see any.

I'm sorry if I like to judge which family sedan is the best (sorry, but it's a market far more competitive, interesting, and strategic than the latest quick Japanese or Italian car) and I'm sorry if I like to think practically about SUV's or minivans or station wagons - again, so does ninety percent of the country. I'm sorry if I love the Subaru Outback, Dodge Grand Caravan, Ford Contour, or Acura Integra sedan, but just because you like cars in a different way, you can't change my affinity, and you certainly can't convince me that yours is better. Dead inside? Come on.

You should be sorry. What is the point of spending so much time online for something that you're not passionate about? Why waste all our time if you don't really care about it? Isn't it like going to poetry readings only to ramble on about how banal modern poetry is?

Good point - I prefer functionality to looks. So what if I'm not emotional about cars? Does that upset your world? Are you looking down on me because I'm not in the exact same boat as you?

It doesn't upset my world, but it sure does make watching you argue pointlessly with people rather aggravating. It makes me regret having bothered to read your posts. Including this one.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Hooligan

But that's just it. You don't like cars.

You're right - oh, you know me too well, you devil.

You go for cars based on needs, not wants. Where's the love or hate in that?

Why the hell do you even care about my life so much? You're basing this entire long diatribe on one thing I told you several months ago that you've blown well out of proportion. I don't care what your views are, so why have you gone so in-depth analysing mine? If you don't think I'm passionate, fine - you've over-analysed my life to the point where not even I care anymore.

What part of your emotional side is met by needs? What part of "golly, it's so functional" makes you fun?

Dunno - maybe - get this - I'm a different person than you are, and I like different things. Whoa, got that?

That's based on financial ability, not desire or needs. Period.

You're right - if my mom were rich she'd go out and get a GT2.

You should be sorry. What is the point of spending so much time online for something that you're not passionate about? Why waste all our time if you don't really care about it? Isn't it like going to poetry readings only to ramble on about how banal modern poetry is?

Why do you care how I spend my time? If you don't like it, don't analyse it. Why do I actually care whether you think I like cars or not? I know that I do - why do I need somebody who pretends to know my desires telling me how to spend my time? Especially because your statements about my desires come solely from the way you think everybody should act. And - since when do I openly insult all cars? I like them in a DIFFERENT way than you do. I don't come in here and say they're stupid. Have a little tolerance.

I'm still not clear on why I don't like cars. Just because I believe we should concentrate on function rather than looks when buying? Or is it because my tastes differ from yours concerning cars?

It doesn't upset my world, but it sure does make watching you argue pointlessly with people rather aggravating. It makes me regret having bothered to read your posts. Including this one.

Again, I apologise for my difference of opinion. From now on, I'll agree with your arrogant posts on all counts because I am so clearly wrong and you, oh God-like figure, have found the only way human beings are allowed to enjoy things.

My 'bad,' you're right - I hate cars. Boo on all of them. Die, die, die. Or is that not what I'm supposed to say? You tell me - you know me better than I know myself.

 

[Hooligan]

Originally posted by M5Power
Why the hell do you even care about my life so much?

I don't care about your life, you dimwit. I'm sick and tired of coming across diatribes spouted by you about BS that is so out-of-context it's...it's just insane.

I wish a pox on you. I wish slow death by fire ants. Most of all, I wish a Perodua Nippa on you.

Go. Away. Already.

 

[Race Idiot]

Originally posted by Hooligan
Most of all, I wish a Perodua Nippa on you.

Damn, now thats just pure hate.

How could you wish Englands cheapest car on anyone?

You must really hate Doug.

 

[1X83Z]

It's not England's cheapest car because it's no longer on sale - I think it went off the market a year or so ago. Perodua still has two cars, but they're not as cheap. Certainly still as crappy, though. It used to be England's cheapest car.

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Hooligan
I don't care about your life, you dimwit. I'm sick and tired of coming across diatribes spouted by you about BS that is so out-of-context it's...it's just insane.

So then why did you go so in-depth about it?

This one goes down in the books as one I'll never understand.

Hope you had a wonderful birthday.

 

[Concept]

Hooligan, I dislike you.

 

[CDailey]

Originally posted by Concept
Hooligan, I dislike you.

I second that.

 

[Hooligan]

You know what? You...you know what? I can't believe I'm in this **** again. Ten years ago, I got lost in the sea of Usenet, totally forgetting that none of it meant anything. It consisted of shut-ins, computer geeks (of which I was one), ill-mannered anti-socialites, kids who get wheezy in gym class...all total f_cking losers. Nothing can be gained from chatting there, but a whole lot of time is lost. Christ.

You're right, M5Power. Total freedom of speech; you are actually talking about cars; what's the big deal about being into boring cars; yadda-yadda-yadda. Thing is, you're a total d!ck about it. I knew a kid like you in high school. Walking dictionary. No, a f_cking encyclopeadia set. Technically, he was right about everything. But nobody cared because he was a total d!ck (just like you, chuckles!). Only here, everyone's so wrapped up in themselves and how what they have to say is so important (save a few...like vat_man), they think you're a normal person.

So here I've come full circle, trapped in another iteration of L00sernet. I spend so much time here (despite the paucity of posts), I'm up to 1 AM every night. I'm getting so little sleep, I'm starting to hate everyone. I've got to get on with my life. I've got a day job, a weekend company to turn into my day job, and a whole [short] list of friends who I have made disappear from my life. This kind of **** can't happen.

I like cars -- scratch that, I love cars. I got 98RON for blood and a pair of GT3240's for lungs. I wish I could spend days here. I could talk cars and engines and **** till the cows actually did make there way into my living room. But I can't deal with this bull**** forum anymore. You're not real people. This forum's fake; it's all cr@p. Who really cares about what anyone has to say? Does RumpleForeskin's luck in life (and total a$$hole attitude) have any bearing on whether you can make the mortgage next month? Any bearing on whether you get into college or not? Any bearing on whether that tractor trailer bearing down on you is going to kill you or not? No, of course not. Is he lying, is he delusional, is it worth spending more than five f_cking seconds thinking about? You want something real, get the f_ck off your @ss and go the f_ck outdoors. Just like I plan on doing. I've been home for two hours, and this ****box has consumed most of that time. Time I'll never get back.

F_ck, the first clue that this was the wrong thing for me was when I found the URL in a f_cking magazine. It'd been /.'d ten minutes before I even sat down. I'm sure sometime over two years ago, this might have been an interesting place, but that's long gone now. It took me blowing my top (and not just once, if memory serves) to realize just what the f_ck I was doing. Un-be-f_cking-leivable.

Sour grapes? Who the f_ck cares. I'm out of here. You should do the same.



[I'm sure some of you comic-loving losers get the .sig, too.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" / "Who watches the watchmen?"
- 'Watchmen', by Alan Moore, 1987
It means, don't trust what you're being told or shown; do it for yourself.
Jesus-H-f_cking-Christ with a f_cking cross up his @ss, I can't believe I didn't take my own advice.]

 

[1X83Z]

Originally posted by Hooligan
You know what? You...you know what? I can't believe I'm in this **** again. Ten years ago, I got lost in the sea of Usenet, totally forgetting that none of it meant anything. It consisted of shut-ins, computer geeks (of which I was one), ill-mannered anti-socialites, kids who get wheezy in gym class...all total f_cking losers. Nothing can be gained from chatting there, but a whole lot of time is lost. Christ.

You're right, M5Power. Total freedom of speech; you are actually talking about cars; what's the big deal about being into boring cars; yadda-yadda-yadda. Thing is, you're a total d!ck about it. I knew a kid like you in high school. Walking dictionary. No, a f_cking encyclopeadia set. Technically, he was right about everything. But nobody cared because he was a total d!ck (just like you, chuckles!). Only here, everyone's so wrapped up in themselves and how what they have to say is so important (save a few...like vat_man), they think you're a normal person.

So here I've come full circle, trapped in another iteration of L00sernet. I spend so much time here (despite the paucity of posts), I'm up to 1 AM every night. I'm getting so little sleep, I'm starting to hate everyone. I've got to get on with my life. I've got a day job, a weekend company to turn into my day job, and a whole [short] list of friends who I have made disappear from my life. This kind of **** can't happen.

I like cars -- scratch that, I love cars. I got 98RON for blood and a pair of GT3240's for lungs. I wish I could spend days here. I could talk cars and engines and **** till the cows actually did make there way into my living room. But I can't deal with this bull**** forum anymore. You're not real people. This forum's fake; it's all cr@p. Who really cares about what anyone has to say? Does RumpleForeskin's luck in life (and total a$$hole attitude) have any bearing on whether you can make the mortgage next month? Any bearing on whether you get into college or not? Any bearing on whether that tractor trailer bearing down on you is going to kill you or not? No, of course not. Is he lying, is he delusional, is it worth spending more than five f_cking seconds thinking about? You want something real, get the f_ck off your @ss and go the f_ck outdoors. Just like I plan on doing. I've been home for two hours, and this ****box has consumed most of that time. Time I'll never get back.

F_ck, the first clue that this was the wrong thing for me was when I found the URL in a f_cking magazine. It'd been /.'d ten minutes before I even sat down. I'm sure sometime over two years ago, this might have been an interesting place, but that's long gone now. It took me blowing my top (and not just once, if memory serves) to realize just what the f_ck I was doing. Un-be-f_cking-leivable.

Sour grapes? Who the f_ck cares. I'm out of here. You should do the same.



[I'm sure some of you comic-loving losers get the .sig, too.
"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" / "Who watches the watchmen?"
- 'Watchmen', by Alan Moore, 1987
It means, don't trust what you're being told or shown; do it for yourself.
Jesus-H-f_cking-Christ with a f_cking cross up his @ss, I can't believe I didn't take my own advice.]

I'm pretty sure 'crap' isn't in the censor, so you're good there.

 

[sn00pie]

Wow, too much emotion! But I have to admit it sure does sound like Hooligan needs to get out more - quitting his internet obsession must be a good thing then.

 

[TsLeng]

Originally posted by Race Idiot
Damn, now thats just pure hate.

How could you wish Englands cheapest car on anyone?

You must really hate Doug.

Perodua Nippa, haha, get plenty of them here. National car besides proton.

 

[Zrow]

Better than a Geo Metro I suppose.

 

[Pebb]

I Love the new one!!!!!

 

[mr_pushrod]

Shame there is no V6, according to Topgear.com, it will have the Toyota Celica's 1.8 190bhp 4 pot.

 

[Pebb]

Yep i agree they should put a V6 or V8 in it the, next time or a Ford RS Power plant or even a TVR Speed Six Power Plant in it.