Endurance Races

[MasterDriver]

I think everyone agrees, if PD is going to have long endurance races again they really need weather and a Day/Night Cycle.

The Endurance races always seemed bland to me, because of the lack of weather and time changes. I guess the A.I. also made it kinda bland lol. I'm all about doing a full 8 hours of racing with changing weather and turning the headlights on. Also with computer controlled cars that actually make mistakes (Yes even the 1st place car). Maybe even vehicle malfunction!

I'm so pumped for GT5.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Also with computer controlled cars that actually make mistakes (Yes even the 1st place car).

Oh, they make mistakes alright. I recall an AI Ford GT40 spending the whole 24 Hours of Le Mans in the wall at the Indianapolis corner because it was too stupid to reverse out.

But yes, I agree. There needs to be a bit more going on during an endurance race to keep me excited. The introduction of a 16 car grid is a huge plus for endurance races, just seeing a few more cars on the track makes the longer races more exciting for me.

 

[G.T.Ace]

Why a new thread?

 

[Kryz11]

Because it shows how serious we are that we need day and night cycles.. and even weather such as rain.

 

[MasterDriver]

Because it shows how serious we are that we need day and night cycles.. and even weather such as rain.

Exactly!! lol. Plus I just starting visiting Gtplanet again.
(got lured in by the GT5 wind and bird rumors) lol.

 

[Hyst]

We need weather, day/night cycles, different weather on different parts of the track (it is common for tracks like Spa and the Nordschleife to have rain in certain parts of the track only), more than just soft/hard tyre compounds (wet tyres need to be included), and there needs to be a risk of mechanical failure.

 

[MasterDriver]

We need weather, day/night cycles, different weather on different parts of the track (it is common for tracks like Spa and the Nordschleife to have rain in certain parts of the track only), more than just soft/hard tyre compounds (wet tyres need to be included), and there needs to be a risk of mechanical failure.

Agreed. Different weather at different parts of the track is crazy. I never thought of that. Heck i'll take just Varying weather conditions.

This also means tires reacting differently depending on temperature.

 

[Kryz11]

Since It's first time that PD will include Day and Night and weather.. all LIVE. I really hope for LIGHT rain, I don't care for HEAVY thunder storms, and day and night cycles should be always scaled 1 to 1. We don't need to sclae them to be any faster then that.

But I hope before entering a race you can choose, Time of day/night, and weather conditions. Sunny or Rainy, and what Temperature. Or Turn on LIVE feedback just like in Prologue (upper right corner), it will adjust time of day and weather automatically to the desired location. I bet that is KAZ dream, so it will make it in GT5.

 

[MasterDriver]

Since It's first time that PD will include Day and Night and weather.. all LIVE. I really hope for LIGHT rain, I don't care for HEAVY thunder storms, and day and night cycles should be always scaled 1 to 1. We don't need to sclae them to be any faster then that.

But I hope before entering a race you can choose, Time of day/night, and weather conditions. Sunny or Rainy, and what Temperature. Or Turn on LIVE feedback just like in Prologue (upper right corner), it will adjust time of day and weather automatically to the desired location. I bet that is KAZ dream, so it will make it in GT5.

Agreed.

Day/Night/Weather should be based on the TRACKS real-life location, when you race. As well with the option to set specific conditions.

 

[Kryz11]

Of course man, I belive 100% that At least Day and Night and Light rain/snow will be in full Game.

1 Why would KAZ include The weather conditions around the world in Prologue
2 We had little preview of SNOW and wet ground with Christmas special video.

 

[MasterDriver]

Of course man, I belive 100% that At least Day and Night and Light rain/snow will be in full Game.

1 Why would KAZ include The weather conditions around the world in Prologue
2 We had little preview of SNOW and wet ground with Christmas special video.

I wouldn't take ( #2 ) as anything more then a nice christmas advertisement, but the weather from around the world..hmmmm definetly something to think about

 

[Kryz11]

I wouldn't take ( #2 ) as anything more then a nice christmas advertisement, but the weather from around the world..hmmmm definetly something to think about

Oh yeah, Xmass advertisement, but You can tell its all ingame footage, and even something as light as the snow effects with wet ground will be enough to keep players happy when racing a 24 hour race


Me personally I would prefer to have dry track at all times

 

[nuclearfire]

I think everyone agrees, if PD is going to have long endurance races again they really need weather and a Day/Night Cycle

The Endurance races always seemed bland to me, because of the lack of weather and time changes. I guess the A.I. also made it kinda bland lol. I'm all about doing a full 8 hours of racing with changing weather and turning the headlights on. Also with computer controlled cars that actually make mistakes (Yes even the 1st place car). Maybe even vehicle malfunction!

And a save option during the endurance races( mainly the real long ones 24, 8,and 9 hour races if any in GT5) , I would rather do the endurance races in parts than sit here for 8 hours in B-spec mode at 3x (for the 24hour races) or let it run while im sleeping.

For me that is more important than day/night cycle as that never bothered me much since i was more concentrating on my driving, but it would be a plus

 

[Northstar]

And a save option during the endurance races( mainly the real long ones 24, 8,and 9 hour races if any in GT5) , I would rather do the endurance races in parts than sit here for 8 hours in B-spec mode at 3x (for the 24hour races) or let it run while im sleeping.

For me that is more important than day/night cycle as that never bothered me much since i was more concentrating on my driving, but it would be a plus

I agree, the main reason I never did an A-Spec 24hour was because I wanted to play other games that week.

 

[MinoltaMan89]

I doubt Santa would fit in that Elise!

 

[highgroove]

And a save option during the endurance races( mainly the real long ones 24, 8,and 9 hour races if any in GT5) , I would rather do the endurance races in parts than sit here for 8 hours in B-spec mode at 3x (for the 24hour races) or let it run while im sleeping.

For me that is more important than day/night cycle as that never bothered me much since i was more concentrating on my driving, but it would be a plus

I think that's a good idea, to expand on that idea, maybe having to pit to "save" the game. When you enter the pits and the fuels and tire menu pops up, maybe a save option on that menu too, to allow you to save the game and then when you return the game just loads back up the race to that exact moment and the pit stop commences, unless you call it off.

 

[88c-v Racer]

a day to night transition is really just blending day, to the Motegi Road course twilight/dusk, into the Hong Kong sundown lighting, to the SS Route 5 night and then back to day with a dawn transition; obviously in real time. for example the 24hrs. of Le Mans starts at 10 AM i believe, so about 8-9 hours into the race the sun should start going down and it would go through the steps decribed above.

 

[SUPER NUMBBER]

I must say, no more 24 hr races. Break them down in 8 hr sessions.

 

[Hyst]

Or just give you the ability to save during races.

 

[nuclearfire]

I think that's a good idea, to expand on that idea, maybe having to pit to "save" the game. When you enter the pits and the fuels and tire menu pops up, maybe a save option on that menu too, to allow you to save the game and then when you return the game just loads back up the race to that exact moment and the pit stop commences, unless you call it off.

That is pretty much what i was thinking, Like in GT4 when you save between races in a championship when you load the game back up it gives you the opition to continue or exit the championship

I must say, no more 24 hr races. Break them down in 8 hr sessions.

Booooo , I like the 24 hour races well i only ran them in b-spec mode but i would A- spec them with a save option, and with a save option you could break down the races to however long you wanted

 

[m00ndancer]

I think that's a good idea, to expand on that idea, maybe having to pit to "save" the game. When you enter the pits and the fuels and tire menu pops up, maybe a save option on that menu too, to allow you to save the game and then when you return the game just loads back up the race to that exact moment and the pit stop commences, unless you call it off.

The way the "LE MANS 24 HOURS" game did it. (I have it on PC not on PS2, so I don't know if it was the same) Worked great and are the only racing game/sim that had the correct feature with weather and day to night transition, pitstops and save option for longer races. As far as I know.

 

[No46_TheDoctor]

We need weather, day/night cycles, different weather on different parts of the track (it is common for tracks like Spa and the Nordschleife to have rain in certain parts of the track only), more than just soft/hard tyre compounds (wet tyres need to be included), and there needs to be a risk of mechanical failure.

I'm not so sure about the mechanical failure thing, imagine having an engine blow up in the 23rd hour of a 24hr endurance race? I mean, that might be realistic, but not great gameplay.

 

[Lucas]

I agree with everyone here. No one I have heard of has run a 24hour endurance in real life on its down. There are usually four or five drivers if I recall correctly. So, why should I leave my PS3 running for more than 24hs just so I can sleep and eat, and well... everything. It would be a very, very interesting experience to have night and day cycles just to enjoy the race even more. The save option is very convenient in that matter.

 

[Stevisiov]

For me, endurance races will be better already, the addition of an extra 10 opponents should really make a difference, lapping people will be more frequent which is definetly needed on the big tracks, which incidentally is where the longer endurance races are held. For me chasing down that car on the horizon is key to motivation and quick lap times.

Pivotal for many are mid race game saves. How many? I reckon for a save point every 5 or 6 hours would ideal. Leaving the console on overnight is a real pain.

More importantly for me, I would like to see day/night transition, 24 hours of daylight is silly, I really hope we don't see it again. Perhaps more of an ask would be in race changeable, for me that would greatly enhance endurance races, bringing an element of unknown and strategy, ultimately making the races more varied and interesting.

 

[Hyst]

I'm not so sure about the mechanical failure thing, imagine having an engine blow up in the 23rd hour of a 24hr endurance race? I mean, that might be realistic, but not great gameplay.

The way I see it is this. You, when starting an enduro, have 2 options -

1 - Turn all mechanical DNFs (for you and the AI) off. You can run in the current style if you want.

2 - Have only 'user-controlled' DNFs. That is to say, the only way you could DNF from the race is through your own fault (overrevving the engine, things like that).

3 - Have more or less random DNFs.

 

[Clark]

We need to be able to save in the pitlane on endurance races (a la Le Mans on PS1)

 

[mPWRD]

Or just give you the ability to save during races.

Exactly. Endurance races are cool, but you should be able to take a break or stop playing in between. not only is it bad for your eyes, but it would get a bit boring. or maybe not...

 

[Stevisiov]

Exactly. Endurance races are cool, but you should be able to take a break or stop playing in between. not only is it bad for your eyes, but it would get a bit boring. or maybe not...

You could always try pausing the game if your worried about your eyes, its leaving the console on overnight being the main issue I think.

 

[premhz]

I agree, the main reason I never did an A-Spec 24hour was because I wanted to play other games that week.

And some of us have a life,like family,girlfriend,work and friends... would love to do 24hr races but unless i can do it when my spare time allows and save my progress and come back to it when i have some spare time,then i wont be attempting them at all.

 

[Stevisiov]

And some of us have a life,like family,girlfriend,work and friends... would love to do 24hr races but unless i can do it when my spare time allows and save my progress and come back to it when i have some spare time,then i wont be attempting them at all.

I managed it whilst retaining my life too, thanks to B-spec it can be rattled off in 9 hours or so, I woke up about 8am (early for a weekend for me) decided I would rattle of the 24 endurance race. finished it about half 5 the same day, still had time to go out in the evening.

That said, it would be easier if it you could game saves at certain race intervals, it just makes things that more flexible.