European Championships 2012 Qualification Thread

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Well, the draw took place today in Warsaw (Poland & Ukraine hosting this tournament). So, here's the qualifying groups:

Top team in each group qualifies for the finals, along with Poland and Ukraine as hosts. Best second place team qualifies automatically - remaining second place teams go to play offs for remaining berths.

Teams coloured RED cannot qualify. Teams coloured GREEN have already qualified.

Group A

1 Germany - W10 D0 L0 - 30pt - +27
2 Turkey - W5 D2 L3 - 17pt - +2
3 Belgium - W4 D3 L3 - 15pt - +7
4 Austria - W3 D3 L4 - 12pt - -1
5 Azerbaijan - W2 D1 L7 - 7pt - -16
6 Kazakhstan - W1 D1 L8 - 4pt - -18


Results
3/9/10 - Belgium 0 - 1 Germany
3/9/10 - Kazakhstan 0 - 3 Turkey
7/9/10 - Austria 2 - 0 Kazakhstan
7/9/10 - Germany 6 - 1 Azerbaijan
7/9/10 - Turkey 3 - 2 Belgium
8/10/10 - Austria 3 - 0 Azerbaijan
8/10/10 - Germany 3 - 0 Turkey
8/10/10 - Kazakhstan 0 - 2 Belgium
12/10/10 - Azerbaijan 1 - 0 Turkey
12/10/10 - Belgium 4 - 4 Austria
12/10/10 - Kazakhstan 0 - 3 Germany
25/3/11 - Austria 0 - 2 Belgium
26/3/11 - Germany 4 - 0 Kazakhstan
29/3/11 - Belgium 4 - 1 Azerbaijan
29/3/11 - Turkey 2 - 0 Austria
3/6/11 - Austria 1 - 2 Germany
3/6/11 - Belgium 1 - 1 Turkey
3/6/11 - Kazakhstan 2 - 1 Azerbaijan
7/6/11 - Azerbaijan 1 - 3 Germany
2/9/11 - Azerbaijan 1 - 1 Belgium
2/9/11 - Germany 6 - 2 Austria - Germany win group and qualify
2/9/11 - Turkey 2 - 1 Kazakhstan - Kazakhstan cannot qualify
6/9/11 - Austria 0 - 0 Turkey - Austria cannot qualify
6/9/11 - Azerbaijan 3 - 2 Kazakhstan - Azerbaijan cannot qualify
7/10/11 - Azerbaijan 1 - 4 Austria
7/10/11 - Belgium 4 - 1 Kazakhstan
7/10/11 - Turkey 1 - 3 Germany
11/10/11 - Germany 3 - 1 Belgium
11/10/11 - Kazakhstan 0 - 0 Austria
11/10/11 - Turkey 1 - 0 Azerbaijan - Belgium cannot qualify, Turkey advance to playoffs.


Group B
1 Russia - W7 D2 L1 - 23pt - +13
2 Republic of Ireland - W6 D3 L1 - 21pt - +8
3 Armenia - W5 D2 L3 - 17pt - +12
4 Slovakia - W4 D3 L3 - 15pt - -3
5 Macedonia - W2 D2 L6 - 8pt - -6
6 Andorra - W0 D0 L10 - 0pt - -24


Results
3/9/10 - Andorra 0 - 2 Russia
3/9/10 - Armenia 0 - 1 Republic of Ireland
3/9/10 - Slovakia 1 - 0 Macedonia
7/9/10 - Macedonia 2 - 2 Armenia
7/9/10 - Republic of Ireland 3 - 1 Andorra
7/9/10 - Russia 0 - 1 Slovakia
8/10/10 - Andorra 0 - 2 Macedonia
8/10/10 - Armenia 3 - 1 Slovakia
8/10/10 - Republic of Ireland 2 - 3 Russia
12/10/10 - Armenia 4 - 0 Andorra
12/10/10 - Macedonia 0 - 1 Russia
12/10/10 - Slovakia 1 - 1 Republic of Ireland
26/3/11 - Andorra 0 - 1 Slovakia
26/3/11 - Armenia 0 - 0 Russia
26/3/11 - Republic of Ireland 2 - 1 Macedonia
4/6/11 - Macedonia 0 - 2 Republic of Ireland
4/6/11 - Russia 3 - 1 Armenia
4/6/11 - Slovakia 1 - 0 Andorra - Andorra cannot qualify
2/9/11 - Andorra 0 - 3 Armenia
2/9/11 - Russia 1 - 0 Macedonia - Macedonia cannot qualify
2/9/11 - Republic of Ireland 0 - 0 Slovakia
6/9/11 - Macedonia 1 - 0 Andorra
6/9/11 - Russia 0 - 0 Republic of Ireland
6/9/11 - Slovakia 0 - 4 Armenia
7/10/11 - Andorra 0 - 2 Republic of Ireland
7/10/11 - Armenia 4 - 1 Macedonia
7/10/11 - Slovakia 0 - 1 Russia - Slovakia cannot qualify
11/10/11 - Macedonia 1 - 1 Slovakia
11/10/11 - Republic of Ireland 2 - 1 Armenia - Armenia cannot qualify
11/10/11 - Russia 6 - 0 Andorra - Russia win group and qualify, Republic of Ireland advance to playoffs


Group C
1 Italy - W8 D2 L0 - 26pt - +18
2 Estonia - W5 D1 L4 - 16pt - +1
3 Serbia - W4 D3 L3 - 15pt - +1
4 Slovenia - W4 D2 L4 - 14pt - +4
5 Northern Ireland - W2 D3 L5 - 9pt - -4
6 Faroe Islands - W1 D1 L8 - 4pt - -20


Results
11/8/10 - Estonia 2 - 1 Faroe Islands
3/9/10 - Estonia 1 - 2 Italy
3/9/10 - Faroe Islands 0 - 3 Serbia
3/9/10 - Slovenia 0 - 1 Northern Ireland
7/9/10 - Italy 5 - 0 Faroe Islands
7/9/10 - Serbia 1 - 1 Slovenia
8/10/10 - Northern Ireland 0 - 0 Italy
8/10/10 - Serbia 1 - 3 Estonia
8/10/10 - Slovenia 5 - 1 Faroe Islands
12/10/10 - Estonia 0 - 1 Slovenia
12/10/10 - Faroe Islands 1 - 1 Northern Ireland
12/10/10 - Italy - Serbia - Match abandoned; Awarded 3-0 win to Italy
25/3/11 - Serbia 2 - 1 Northern Ireland
25/3/11 - Slovenia 0 - 1 Italy
29/3/11 - Estonia 1 - 1 Serbia
29/3/11 - Northern Ireland 0 - 0 Slovenia
3/6/11 - Faroe Islands 0 - 2 Slovenia
3/6/11 - Italy 3 - 0 Estonia
7/6/11 - Faroe Islands 2 - 0 Estonia
10/8/11 - Northern Ireland 4 - 0 Faroe Islands
2/9/11 - Faroe Islands 0 - 1 Italy - Faroe Islands cannot qualify
2/9/11 - Northern Ireland 0 - 1 Serbia
2/9/11 - Slovenia 1 - 2 Estonia - Italy guaranteed top two finish
6/9/11 - Estonia 4 - 1 Northern Ireland
6/9/11 - Italy 1 - 0 Slovenia - Italy win group and qualify
6/9/11 - Serbia 3 - 1 Faroe Islands
7/10/11 - Northern Ireland 1 - 2 Estonia - Northern Ireland cannot qualify
7/10/11 - Serbia 1 - 1 Italy - Slovenia cannot qualify
11/10/11 - Italy 3 - 0 Northern Ireland
11/10/11 - Slovenia 1 - 0 Serbia - Serbia cannot qualify, Estonia advance to playoffs


Group D
1 France - W6 D3 L1 - 21pt - +11
2 Bosnia-Herzegovina - W6 D2 L2 - 20pt - +9
3 Romania - W3 D5 L2 - 15pt - +4
4 Belarus - W3 D4 L3 - 13pt - +1
5 Albania - W2 D3 L5 - 9pt - -7
6 Luxembourg - W1 D1 L8 - 4pt - -18


Results
3/9/10 - France 0 - 1 Belarus
3/9/10 - Luxembourg 0 - 3 Bosnia-Herzegovina
3/9/10 - Romania 1 - 1 Albania
7/9/10 - Albania 1 - 0 Luxembourg
7/9/10 - Belarus 0 - 0 Romania
7/9/10 - Bosnia-Herzegovina 0 - 2 France
8/10/10 - Albania 1 - 1 Bosnia-Herzegovina
8/10/10 - Luxembourg 0 - 0 Belarus
9/10/10 - France 2 - 0 Romania
12/10/10 - Belarus 2 - 0 Albania
12/10/10 - France 2 - 0 Luxembourg
25/3/11 - Luxembourg 0 - 2 France
26/3/11 - Albania 1 - 0 Belarus
26/3/11 - Bosnia-Herzegovina 2 - 1 Romania
29/3/11 - Romania 3 - 1 Luxembourg
3/6/11 - Belarus 1 - 1 France
3/6/11 - Romania 3 - 0 Bosnia-Herzegovina
7/6/11 - Belarus 2 - 0 Luxembourg - Luxembourg cannot qualify
7/6/11 - Bosnia-Herzegovina 2 - 0 Albania
2/9/11 - Albania 1 - 2 France
2/9/11 - Belarus 0 - 2 Bosnia-Herzegovina
2/9/11 - Luxembourg 0 - 2 Romania
6/9/11 - Bosnia-Herzegovina 1 - 0 Belarus - Belarus cannot qualify
6/9/11 - Luxembourg 2 - 1 Albania - Albania cannot qualify
6/9/11 - Romania 0 - 0 France
7/10/11 - Bosnia-Herzegovina 5 - 0 Luxembourg
7/10/11 - France 3 - 0 Albania
7/10/11 - Romania 2 - 2 Belarus - Romania cannot qualify
11/10/11 - Albania 1 - 1 Romania
11/10/11 - France 1 - 1 Bosnia-Herzegovina - France win group and qualify, Bosnia-Herzegovina advance to playoffs


Group E
1 Netherlands - W9 D0 L1 - 27pt - +29
2 Sweden - W8 D0 L2 - 24pt - +20
3 Hungary - W6 D1 L3 - 19pt - +7
4 Finland - W3 D1 L6 - 10pt - 0
5 Moldova - W3 D0 L7 - 9pt - -4
6 San Marino - W0 D0 L10 - 0pt - -52


Results
3/9/10 - Moldova 2 - 0 Finland
3/9/10 - San Marino 0 - 5 Netherlands
3/9/10 - Sweden 2 - 0 Hungary
7/9/10 - Hungary 2 - 1 Moldova
7/9/10 - Netherlands 2 - 1 Finland
7/9/10 - Sweden 6 - 0 San Marino
8/10/10 - Hungary 8 - 0 San Marino
8/10/10 - Moldova 0 - 1 Netherlands
12/10/10 - Finland 1 - 2 Hungary
12/10/10 - Netherlands 4 - 1 Sweden
12/10/10 - San Marino 0 - 2 Moldova
17/10/10 - Finland 8 - 0 San Marino
25/3/11 - Hungary 0 - 4 Netherlands
29/3/11 - Netherlands 5 - 3 Hungary
29/3/11 - Sweden 2 - 1 Moldova
3/6/11 - Moldova 1 - 4 Sweden
3/6/11 - San Marino 0 - 1 Finland - San Marino cannot qualify
7/6/11 - San Marino 0 - 3 Hungary
7/6/11 - Sweden 5 - 0 Finland
2/9/11 - Finland 4 - 1 Moldova
2/9/11 - Hungary 2 - 1 Sweden - Moldova cannot qualify
2/9/11 - Netherlands 11 - 0 San Marino - Netherlands guaranteed top-two finish
6/9/11 - Finland 0 - 2 Netherlands - Netherlands win group and qualify, Finland cannot qualify
6/9/11 - Moldova 0 - 2 Hungary
6/9/11 - San Marino 0 - 5 Sweden
7/10/11 - Finland 1 - 2 Sweden - Hungary cannot qualify
7/10/11 - Netherlands 1 - 0 Moldova
11/10/11 - Hungary 0 - 0 Finland
11/10/11 - Moldova 4 - 0 San Marino
11/10/11 - Sweden 3 - 2 Netherlands - Sweden qualify as best group runner-up


Group F
1 Greece - W7 D3 L0 - 24pt - +9
2 Croatia - W7 D1 L2 - 22pt - +11
3 Israel - W5 D1 L4 - 16pt - +2
4 Latvia - W3 D2 L5 - 11pt - -3
5 Georgia - W2 D4 L4 - 10pt - -2
6 Malta - W0 D1 L9 - 1pt - -17


Results
2/9/10 - Israel 3 - 1 Malta
3/9/10 - Greece 1 - 1 Georgia
3/9/10 - Latvia 0 - 3 Croatia
7/9/10 - Croatia 0 - 0 Greece
7/9/10 - Georgia 0 - 0 Israel
7/9/10 - Malta 0 - 2 Latvia
8/10/10 - Georgia 1 - 0 Malta
8/10/10 - Greece 1 - 0 Latvia
9/10/10 - Israel 1 - 2 Croatia
12/10/10 - Greece 2 - 1 Israel
12/10/10 - Latvia 1 - 1 Georgia
17/11/10 - Croatia 3 - 0 Malta
26/3/11 - Georgia 1 - 0 Croatia
26/3/11 - Israel 2 - 1 Latvia
26/3/11 - Malta 0 - 1 Greece
29/3/11 - Israel 1 - 0 Georgia
3/6/11 - Croatia 2 - 1 Georgia
4/6/11 - Greece 3 - 1 Malta - Malta cannot qualify
4/6/11 - Latvia 1 - 2 Israel
2/9/11 - Georgia 0 - 1 Latvia
2/9/11 - Israel 0 - 1 Greece
2/9/11 - Malta 1 - 3 Croatia - Latvia, Georgia cannot qualify
6/9/11 - Croatia 3 - 1 Israel - Croatia, Greece guaranteed top two finish, Israel cannot qualify
6/9/11 - Latvia 1 - 1 Greece
6/9/11 - Malta 1 - 1 Georgia
7/10/11 - Greece 2 - 0 Croatia - Israel cannot qualify
7/10/11 - Latvia 2 - 0 Malta
11/10/11 - Croatia 2 - 0 Latvia
11/10/11 - Georgia 1 - 2 Greece - Greece win group and qualify, Croatia advance to playoffs
11/10/11 - Malta 0 - 2 Israel


Group G
1 England - W5 D3 L0 - 18pt - +12
2 Montenegro - W3 D3 L2 - 12pt - 0
3 Switzerland - W3 D2 L3 - 11pt - +2
4 Wales - W3 D0 L5 - 9pt - -4
5 Bulgaria - W1 D2 L5 - 5pt - -10


Results
3/9/10 - England 4 - 0 Bulgaria
3/9/10 - Montenegro 1 - 0 Wales
7/9/10 - Bulgaria 0 - 1 Montenegro
7/9/10 - Switzerland 1 - 3 England
8/10/10 - Montenegro 1 - 0 Switzerland
8/10/10 - Wales 0 - 1 Bulgaria
12/10/10 - England 0 - 0 Montenegro
12/10/10 - Switzerland 4 - 1 Wales
26/3/11 - Bulgaria 0 - 0 Switzerland
26/3/11 - Wales 0 - 2 England
4/6/11 - England 2 - 2 Switzerland
4/6/11 - Montenegro 1 - 1 Bulgaria
2/9/11 - Bulgaria 0 - 3 England - England guaranteed top-two finish
2/9/11 - Wales 2 - 1 Montenegro
6/9/11 - England 1 - 0 Wales - Wales cannot qualify
6/9/11 - Switzerland 3 - 1 Bulgaria - Bulgaria cannot qualify
7/10/11 - Montenegro 2 - 2 England - England win group and qualify
7/10/11 - Wales 2 - 0 Switzerland - Switzerland cannot qualify, Montenegro advance to playoffs
11/10/11 - Bulgaria 0 - 1 Wales
11/10/11 - Switzerland 2 - 0 Montenegro


Group H
1 Denmark - W6 D1 L1 - 19pt - +9
2 Portugal - W5 D1 L2 - 16pt - +9
3 Norway - W4 D1 L2 - 13pt - +2
4 Iceland - W1 D1 L6 - 4pt - -8
5 Cyprus - W0 D2 L5 - 2pt - -11


Results
3/9/10 - Iceland 1 - 2 Norway
3/9/10 - Portugal 4 - 4 Cyprus
7/9/10 - Denmark 1 - 0 Iceland
7/9/10 - Norway 1 - 0 Portugal
8/10/10 - Cyprus 1 - 2 Norway
8/10/10 - Portugal 3 - 1 Denmark
12/10/10 - Denmark 2 - 0 Cyprus
12/10/10 - Iceland 1 - 3 Portugal
26/3/11 - Cyprus 0 - 0 Iceland
26/3/11 - Norway 1 - 1 Denmark
4/6/11 - Iceland 0 - 2 Denmark
4/6/11 - Portugal 1 - 0 Norway
2/9/11 - Cyprus 0 - 4 Portugal
2/9/11 - Norway 1 - 0 Iceland - Iceland, Cyprus cannot qualify
6/9/11 - Denmark 2 - 0 Norway
6/9/11 - Iceland 1 - 0 Cyprus
7/10/11 - Cyprus 1 - 4 Denmark
7/10/11 - Portugal 5 - 3 Iceland
11/10/11 - Denmark 2 - 1 Portugal - Denmark win group and qualify, Norway cannot qualify, Portugal advance to playoffs
11/10/11 - Norway 3 - 1 Cyprus


Group I
1 Spain - W8 D0 L0 - 24pt - +20
2 Czech Republic - W4 D1 L3 - 13pt - +4
3 Scotland - W3 D2 L3 - 11pt - -1
4 Lithuania - W1 D2 L5 - 5pt - -9
5 Liechtenstein - W1 D1 L6 - 4pt - -9


Results
3/9/10 - Liechtenstein 0 - 4 Spain
3/9/10 - Lithuania 0 - 0 Scotland
7/9/10 - Czech Republic 0 - 1 Lithuania
7/9/10 - Scotland 2 - 1 Liechtenstein
8/10/10 - Czech Republic 1 - 0 Scotland
8/10/10 - Spain 3 - 1 Lithuania
12/10/10 - Liechtenstein 0 - 2 Czech Republic
12/10/10 - Scotland 2 - 3 Spain
25/3/11 - Spain 2 - 1 Czech Republic
29/3/11 - Czech Republic 2 - 0 Liechtenstein
29/3/11 - Lithuania 1 - 3 Spain
3/6/11 - Liechtenstein 2 - 0 Lithuania
2/9/11 - Lithuania 0 - 0 Liechtenstein
3/9/11 - Scotland 2 - 2 Czech Republic
6/9/11 - Scotland 1 - 0 Lithuania - Lithuania cannot qualify
6/9/11 - Spain 6 - 0 Liechtenstein - Spain win group and qualify, Liechtenstein cannot qualify
7/10/11 - Czech Republic 0 - 2 Spain
8/10/11 - Liechtenstein 0 - 1 Scotland
11/10/11 - Lithuania 1 - 4 Czech Republic
11/10/11 - Spain 3 - 1 Scotland - Scotland cannot qualify, Czech Republic advance to playoffs


Final Second Place Rankings
1 Sweden (Group E) - W6 D0 L2 - 18pt - +9
2 Portugal (Group H) - W5 D1 L2 - 16pt - +9
3 Croatia (Group F) - W5 D1 L2 - 16pt - +6
4 Republic of Ireland (Group B) - W4 D3 L1 - 15pt - +4
5 Bosnia-Herzegovina (Group D) - W4 D2 L2 - 14pt - +1
6 Czech Republic (Group I) - W4 D1 L3 - 13pt - +4
7 Estonia (Group C) - W4 D1 L3 - 13pt - +2
8 Montenegro (Group G) - W3 D3 L2 - 12pt - 0
9 Turkey (Group A) - W3 D2 L3 - 11pt - -2


Playoffs
11/11/11 - Bosnia-Herzegovina 0 - 0 Portugal
11/11/11 - Czech Republic 2 - 0 Montenegro
11/11/11 - Estonia 0 - 4 Republic of Ireland
11/11/11 - Turkey 0 - 3 Croatia
15/11/11 - Croatia 0 - 0 Turkey - Croatia win 3-0 on aggregate; qualify
15/11/11 - Montenegro 0 - 1 Czech Republic - Czech Republic win 3-0 on aggregate; qualify
15/11/11 - Portugal 6 - 2 Bosnia-Herzegovina - Portugal win 6-2 on aggregate; qualify
15/11/11 - Republic of Ireland 1 - 1 Estonia - Republic of Ireland win 5-1 on aggregate; qualify


Qualified Teams
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Poland - Hosts
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Ukraine - Hosts
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Germany - Group A winners
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Italy - Group C winners
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Netherlands - Group E winners
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Spain - Group I winners
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England - Group G winners
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Russia - Group B winners
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France - Group D winners
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Greece - Group F winners
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Denmark - Group H winners
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- Sweden - Best performing group runner up
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- Croatia - Playoff winner
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- Czech Republic - Playoff winner
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- Republic of Ireland - Playoff winner
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- Portugal - Playoff winner


Top Scorers
Klaas-Jan Huntelaar (Netherlands) - 12
Miroslave Klose (Germany) - 9
Mikael Forssell (Finland) - 7
Robbie Keane (Republic of Ireland) - 7
David Villa (Spain) - 7

Netherlands - 37
Germany - 34
Sweden - 31
Spain - 26


Highest Score
Netherlands 11 - 0 San Marino
 
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A friend of mine in Czech republic just emailed me this morning and said pretty much the same thing daan. I think that group will be a scrap for a place in the play offs.
 
Spain always walk qualification for any tournament, and I don't see us beating the Czechs. We'll just be in a battle for 3rd with Lithuania.
 
I don't know, Czech arn't close to the team they were a few years back. I think you've got as good a chance against them as you do against Lthuania. They're a pretty inconsistent team and haven't really had anyone of any note brought into the team in recent years. Thier better players are aging or recently retired, there's only really Rosicky who's a very good player and not past his peak but he's injury prone.
 
Good win for England last night, made surprisingly good watching considering the drivel we've been served up of late 👍
 
Sensational 0-0 draw last night for Scotland to none other than Lithuania...
Why can't we win?
 
Sensational 0-0 draw last night for Scotland to none other than Lithuania...
Why can't we win?
That was probably the most boring game of ever. I can't recall anything that happened during the game...
 
That was probably the most boring game of ever. I can't recall anything that happened during the game...

I nearly dozed off just after half time! Felt my eyelids starting to go heavy :lol:
I just went on the PS3, I couldn't be bothered waching the rest of it. :rolleyes:
 
Damn it, no points for Belgium yet again! :grumpy:

I was expecting Germany to faceroll us with a 3-1 victory, but they didn't play their best game and we did quite alright in the first half. It should've been a 0-0 or 1-1 game, really. I hope the coach keeps the current set-up and learn from Germany how to build a star-team consisting of young talent who know each other like no other.

Belgium without any doubt have the current players to build up their succes, but only if they work on their current team and stop swapping out players for other players. There were many phases in which there were openings, yet these chances were not exploided. Dembele is a fantastic player, and Vertongen also did a great job. Going to Turkey to play against a team full of self-confidence will be hard, but we really need to try and take a point there.
 
Note for posterity - Scotland are topping a group containing the world champions. Again.
 
And Belgium loses vital points. Again.

Sigh, just when I was enjoying the Dembele-Fellaini attacks Company gets a red card. Van Buyten set things straight after his last mistake against Germany to score 2 goals tonight. We have lost 3-2 with a player less on Turkey's field, but this team will only get better. When I see them playing I'm seeing a bunch of talent, but it's all so uncoordinated.
 
Note for posterity - Scotland are topping a group containing the world champions. Again.
And we know how that ended up...

And they've played half our games, yet scored double our goals.
 
Note for posterity - Scotland are topping a group containing the world champions. Again.

I take it you didn't watch the game... it was arguably the most embarrassing win in Scottish footballing history. I don't think we played that badly, and Liechtenstein played quite well, but it was a typical display from Scotland (i.e. make the minnows look like champions) that was quite painful to watch. But the fact that Scotland needed 7 extra minutes to score the winner says it all.
 
I know they were a goal down. To Liechtenstein.

Though they can take heart that they did better away to Lithuania than the Czech Republic did at home. Second is theirs for the taking.
 

Though they can take heart that they did better away to Lithuania than the Czech Republic did at home. Second is theirs for the taking.
There is plenty of time for us to snatch yet another glorious defeat from the jaws of victory.
 
Scotland snatch victory from the jaws of defeat...

We've said these words many, many times... just rarely in that order.

2nd place would do nicely, but based on last night's display, we'll be lucky...
 
Absolutely disgraceful display last night.
As someone on the news just said... "It was like watching Partick Thistle... On a bad day."

:lol:
 
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Typical average performance from England last night, missed Defoe upfront. Rooney just isn't doing it at the moment, ever since that injury at the end of last season.

Their keeper had a good game and we got very lucky with the crossbar shot (I kind of wanted it to go in just to see the goal)

Italy vs Serb game was called of due to hooliganism.
A video if anybody wanted to see:

 
Did you play with a striker this time?

I'm not sure why Capello brought on SWP, he has two left foot, like Crouch, as tall as a double decker bus and just about as good in the air, would definitely have started with Davies in our toughest home match. Still, we still got a point but the performance was flat and we really need to build the team around Gerrard, he should be attacking from the front, not building from the back.
 
Did you play with a striker this time?

I'm not sure why Capello brought on SWP, he has two left foot, like Crouch, as tall as a double decker bus and just about as good in the air, would definitely have started with Davies in our toughest home match. Still, we still got a point but the performance was flat and we really need to build the team around Gerrard, he should be attacking from the front, not building from the back.

We need to cull the remainder of the failed WC2010 squad - Rooney, Gerrard and Druginand. What does Rooney have to do to get dropped, for crying out loud? He's only scored once in 12 months, and that was because he paid her £1,200. And why is our captain a man once suspended for jumping out of a window and running away from "forgetting" a drugs test?


That said, I didn't recognise half the team we did play. The left-back looked like he was absconding from the scene of a TWOC and crash, some bloke in defence looked like he'd been rescued a bit late from an horrific fire in the region of his face and the tall bloke went off to be replaced by a plumber. The child on the right wing did okay though, whoever he is.

Keep Joe Hart in goal. Bring Joe Cole back. Make a decent squad out of 20-somethings rather than imbeciles who couldn't give a crap and drive away from every failed international match in a Barry supercar/SUV. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland might suck, but at least they have players who care.
 
You're right Famine, we need to build for the future. I've been impressed with Hart and Adam Johnson, they should be future fixtures of the side. Rooney needs to go back and start scoring again and get his head in the right place.

I want to see us move to a 4-5-1 in the future. Bent shouuld be the striker (he would've played were it not for injury) and then use Adam Johnson, Gerrard and probably Milner behind him, then use Barry and someone like Carrick in a holding role. The defence, I'm happy with Ashley Cole in the side, the next best is Leighton Baines and he just doesn't give me as much confidence at the back.

Glenn Johnson doesn't convince me either. But who's better, we have naff all right backs as Micah Richards has gone completely off the radar.

I see some promising signs, but there's still work to be done.
 


Bring Joe Cole back. Make a decent squad out of 20-somethings rather than imbeciles who couldn't give a crap and drive away from every failed international match in a Barry supercar/SUV. Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland might suck, but at least they have players who care.

Cole is crock, no better than the rest of them and certainly no better than Gerrard, Johnson or even Young had a decent display.

Not to sure on Johnson at Right Back but who could do better? Midweek Lescott got in ahead of Cahill I'd rather have seen Cahill than Lescott just shows the attitude of the manager.

Disagree with the last statement, I'd rather have a team ranked 7th in the world and have a 90% qualifying record than a team of high spirited qualify once in a blue mooners.
 
Cole is crock, no better than the rest of them

But at least he cares.

Disagree with the last statement, I'd rather have a team ranked 7th in the world and have a 90% qualifying record than a team of high spirited qualify once in a blue mooners.

What's the point of a high ranking and qualifying if it's followed by choking against a whole bunch of nobodies? Need I remind you of the last five results?

England 0-0 Montenegro (rank 40)
Switzerland 1-3 England (rank 21)
England 4-0 Bulgaria (rank 54)
England 2-1 Hungary (rank 51)
Germany 4-1 England (rank 3)
Slovenia 0-1 England (rank 19)
Algeria 0-0 England (rank 35)
England 1-1 United States (rank 18)

Look at what Germany did to a team ranked four places - four - below them, while England scrape draws with the USA, Algeria and Montenegro. And while they might tonk four past Slovakia or Bulgaria in friendlies and qualifiers, big, pressure games see them barely turn up - drawing 0-0 with Montenegro, a team that didn't even exist in 2007, is inexcusable. Of course team captain and drugs cheat Rio Ferdinand tried exactly that - to excuse it by way of the linesman missing an obvious penalty 75 minutes into a game they should have had wrapped up long since.

Just for reference, imagine what would have happened to a club manager if the above looked like this:

Liverpool 0-0 Scunthorpe United (rank 40)
Newcastle United 1-3 Liverpool (rank 21)
Liverpool 4-0 Walsall (rank 54)
Liverpool 2-1 Southampton (rank 51)
Arsenal 4-1 Liverpool (rank 3)
Hull City 0-1 Liverpool (rank 19)
Ipswich Town 0-0 Liverpool (rank 35)
Liverpool 1-1 Burnley (rank 18)


South Africa was an embarrassment, off the back of one of the best qualifying campaigns in England's history. None of the players involved in the group games - or at least those over 25 - should ever wear an England shirt again.
 
Liverpool 0-0 Scunthorpe United (rank 40)
Newcastle United 1-3 Liverpool (rank 21)
Liverpool 4-0 Walsall (rank 54)
Liverpool 2-1 Southampton (rank 51)
Arsenal 4-1 Liverpool (rank 3)
Hull City 0-1 Liverpool (rank 19)
Ipswich Town 0-0 Liverpool (rank 35)
Liverpool 1-1 Burnley (rank 18)

I think Liverpool would take these scores right now...

Good point, though, well made ;)
 
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