Exceeding track limits, where is Charlie Whiting?

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Today at Nurburgring GP I watched several people exceeding track limits on the same bends of all 10 laps. Yes I know that's the fastest way around the track, but it is not how I play or how PD/FIA intended us to play.

They didn't make any effort to stay within the track limits, it makes me sick that these people will exploit everything they can. Yes I could exploit the track in the same way, but it looks as bad as cutting corners or driving over the grass. I have lost any little respect I had for the leaderboard guys.

Come on PD give us a Charlie Whiting to penalise these cheats with a drive through penalty or a time added penalty.
 
Was it on turn 4 with the massive run off because in real life the cars are actually allowed to do that. But their is a issue with the chicane at the end of the lap. You can literally almost have all 4 wheels of the road on entry and on exit it is pretty bad their.
 
If you go off there far enough, the penalty kicks in. It's not a cheat unless you are defeating the penalty system. If the game is allowing you to go wide there, go wide.
 
Voodoovaj
If you go off there far enough, the penalty kicks in. It's not a cheat unless you are defeating the penalty system. If the game is allowing you to go wide there, go wide.
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Exactly, the problem isn’t people driving to PDs track limits, it’s where PD sets those limits. Everywhere else it’s 2 wheels on track and kerb is track but for some reason they let you run much wider at Nurb.
 
Well at Maggiore I got a 1.4s penalty just for running wide at turn 4. So I don't know about Nurburgring but there are definitely penalties in the game for track extending.
 
The nurburgring gp is pretty bad for track limits. You can go really wide out of turn 2, cut turn 3 and go really wide out of turn 4. Not to mention you can completely butcher the final chicane.

I see lots of people do it just to stay ahead, meanwhile there is a long line of cars behind them for the rest of the lap. Cheap tactics.
 
Spurgy 777
Exactly, the problem isn’t people driving to PDs track limits, it’s where PD sets those limits. Everywhere else it’s 2 wheels on track and kerb is track but for some reason they let you run much wider at Nurb.
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Not exactly. It's often set in a driver's meeting where everyone agrees where the track limits can be exceeded qnd where they should not be exceeded.

As for the game, it's likely set so as not to incur a boatload of penalties from people getting dumped into the off track zone.

Like they say in all sports, play the whistle. In other words, don't play by your perception of the rules, play to the officiating.
 
baldgye
Where youn in a GT car?



Charlie Whiting?
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OMG yeh It was pretty much like that, If that is deemed acceptable then I shall start exploring the 'track' errr I mean 'scenery' more. I feel dirty just thinking about driving like that, but if its OK in real life, then what the hell, I don't often run close enough to aliens to see what they get up to in achieving their lap times.

It made it worse following a guy who kept doing it, but doing it so badly that I had to keep braking every time he decided to come back on the track.
 
JacksHerer
OMG yeh It was pretty much like that, If that is deemed acceptable then I shall start exploring the 'track' errr I mean 'scenery' more. I feel dirty just thinking about driving like that, but if its OK in real life, then what the hell, I don't often run close enough to aliens to see what they get up to in achieving their lap times.

It made it worse following a guy who kept doing it, but doing it so badly that I had to keep braking every time he decided to come back on the track.
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I do agree with you though, but when real motorsports can't keep up... might not be a fight you're likely to win haha
 
I was tempted to see what the penalty system would do If I blocked him from coming back on the track.

They were coming off between turn 2 and 4, between turn 4 and 6 and also cutting the last chicane.

I'll see how many seconds this lot is worth in arcade mode tomorrow.
 
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Voodoovaj
Not exactly. It's often set in a driver's meeting where everyone agrees where the track limits can be exceeded qnd where they should not be exceeded.
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Not sure what this has to do with what I said. PD set the track limits, so if the track limits are in a stupid place as they are at Nurb then it is PD's fault, not sure where driver meetings come into any of this.

As for the game, it's likely set so as not to incur a boatload of penalties from people getting dumped into the off track zone.
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Pretty poor reasoning if that is the case, there are lots of tracks where it is as easy to run past the kerbs, you just have to be more careful.
 
Spurgy 777
Not sure what this has to do with what I said. PD set the track limits, so if the track limits are in a stupid place as they are at Nurb then it is PD's fault, not sure where driver meetings come into any of this.
Pretty poor reasoning if that is the case, there are lots of tracks where it is as easy to run past the kerbs, you just have to be more careful.
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What I'm saying is that IRL there can be leeway. Personally, I think that leaving the track there should incur the same kind of penalty as anywhere else. Far too many use it as an advantage. I was just saying that there may be a reason that the choice was made to not be so strict.
 
Yeah where did the old pride system of staying within the tracks boundaries and try to get a top 10 time go to? I'm pretty sure everyone excluding myself in the top 10 at Brands Indy today in the R32 has used the run off beyond the rumbles just after T1 pffft 👎

It's pretty pointless taking part in these any more with most people flaunting the faults in the games off track penalty system for extra speed... Just like they do approaching T1 at Nurb GP and go wide offtrack! just like they do on maggiore when they cross over the green stuff at the roundy before T1 .. It's getting pretty ridiculous.. I rank these drivers right at the bottom of the barrel skill wise for taking those measures :D

How hard is it to stay on the God damned track people? It's not the daily lawnmower championship races! Your times don't impress unless you can stay within the boundaries :rolleyes: Some people will do anything to get a top 10 time.. pretty pathetic really! you know who you are! 👎
 
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T4 is acceptabele to go a little wide, even in RL racing and especially in GT racing. There is still a penalty if u push it to far.
 
@Mr P The tracks limits have been set intentionally relaxed on GT Sport with penalties only applying if more than 2 wheels are off track with kerbs being part of the track. In some rare cases like at Nurb the track limits have for some reason been set way wider, but still the same rules apply to everyone and playing to the games rules is the most logical thing to do.

It’s complete nonsense to expect people to play to some sort of “moral” track boundaries as these are completely subjective. How far from the tarmac is a moral amount to go?

At the end of the day the people who are at the top of the leaderboards would be there regardless of what the track boundary rules are and you know that more than most. If you don’t like it by all means complain that the games rules are too relaxed, or join a series/play a different game where track boundary rules are stricter but it makes no sense to complain about people playing to the limits of the rules that have been set and acting morally righteous because you drive to your own set of stricter rules.

It’s exactly the same in real life racing, drivers race within the track boundaries established before the race and in lots of cases those boundaries are beyond what you would consider should be legal. Does it matter? No because everyone is racing to the same rules.
 
If I followed these new driving allowances I would be slated across GTP for months for such low moves! :lol: But it's ok for Tom Dick and Harry to do it and nobody has to mention it haha.. Months ago when GTS first came out I posted a video where all I done was used the Steering assist in testing and I was then faced with a Grand inquisition for my actions :lol:

It's not really an option to follow suit as it doesn't fit in with the racing I have been doing for years in GT racing within track boundaries! So Please just see my post above as my first and last silly outburst against these new track rules/allowances as you said.. I won't join them so will just sit here quietly with my irked face and say no more and still be unimpressed by the winning laptimes! 👍

Cheers :cheers:
 
in real life all the drivers get told where they can ignore track limits before the race.

The majority of players obey the track limits and wonder how they can be so far off the fastest time when they have completed a near perfect lap.

It's got me wondering about the other tracks now. Maybe someone could do a thread with track maps and the fastest allowed line.

I hope if/when spa comes to the game, that the top of the hill is enforced.
 
Mr P
If I followed these new driving allowances I would be slated across GTP for months for such low moves! :lol: But it's ok for Tom Dick and Harry to do it and nobody has to mention it haha.. Months ago when GTS first came out I posted a video where all I done was used the Steering assist in testing and I was then faced with a Grand inquisition for my actions :lol:

It's not really an option to follow suit as it doesn't fit in with the racing I have been doing for years in GT racing within track boundaries! So Please just see my post above as my first and last silly outburst against these new track rules/allowances as you said.. I won't join them so will just sit here quietly with my irked face and say no more and still be unimpressed by the winning laptimes! 👍

Cheers :cheers:
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I would say the same to the people who complained about you using a driving aid, if it's in the game and available to everyone then shouldn't complain about people using it. :lol: I do understand your frustration as the track limits in some places are a bit ridiculous but it's best to direct that frustration at PD if anything IMO. 👍

JacksHerer
in real life all the drivers get told where they can ignore track limits before the race.

The majority of players obey the track limits and wonder how they can be so far off the fastest time when they have completed a near perfect lap.

It's got me wondering about the other tracks now. Maybe someone could do a thread with track maps and the fastest allowed line.

I hope if/when spa comes to the game, that the top of the hill is enforced.
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For this reason it's always best to explore the track limits so you know where they are (to avoid penalties if nothing else) and watch the replays of the top times. That way you can know you're driving to the same limits as everyone else and know exactly how fast you are and where you could improve.
 
ive seen the leaderboard lap times in qualifying sport races but don't recall being able to click on them or anything.
 
JacksHerer
ive seen the leaderboard lap times in qualifying sport races but don't recall being able to click on them or anything.
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Go to the leaderboards before entering a practice session and the top 10 should have a red “play” symbol next to them. If they do click on their name and an option should come up to watch the replay.
 
Therefor he likes playing GT Sport that much ;)

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Well shame on me! I couldn't resist :O I just ran 5 laps with Steering assist and went offtrack just like 1st place and the rest of the top 10.. and now on a 52.5xx with no effort in 4th place .1 off the leader.. that's just silly!

Now I will have to see how many laps it takes to knock him down with this offtrack advantage 👎:yuck:
 
The track limits are hilarious in some places, but nurb does is a joke in some places. I just experienced a turn 1 accident where someone tried to go round my outside while carrying too much speed, he used me to slow. My car ends up cutting t1 thanks to the hit and the game decides to reset me on track and give me a 5s time penalty!

You can only laugh!
 
he may have been doing that deep turn 1 offtrack faster line and got confused that you weren't exploiting it.
 

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