exiting the drift?

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i have a question i just started playing gt4 and i have the logitech geforce pro and i am having trouble exiting the drift. i have played gt3 and i have no problem what so ever drifting in that.
for example: when i am going to drift a left corner, i usually will use the feint technique, a little bit of the brakes, some cournter steer, and then i will start drifting the corner and i have no problem with that. once i am at the end of the drift i start to correct my counter steer and i all of a sudden spin out of control and i can get the car to straighten out.
is there anyway to avoid this? any help would be great. thanks in advance.
 
your are having too much countersteering, you need no countersteer or even a bit of steering into the drift. Be ultra smooth, once you get used to it you will find it gets easier
 
You have to feel when the car is about to regain grip.. This is easy when using a wheel but harder for a controller. So just try to be smooth and you will exit fine.
 
What both Ryen and Smallfryz said is exactly correct. It sounds like you're experiencing snap back understeer. So, just try to be easy on the controls and it should come out smoother while exiting your drift.
 
i experienced the same.

too much counter steering.
i guess everyone said what i needed to say..

i wish i had a wheel.
 
It could also be your tires. What everyone said is correct, but no one mentioned tires, which could also be adding to the problem. Try use tires with less grip, it helps a lot with snap-back. Think of it this way, when the car is snap-backing (because of tires) it's because the front tires are "grabbing" the road quite suddenly and then your rear tires, which still do not have traction, will swing around to the other side, making you spin out.

Just a thought.
 
You should look at some vids. but since I already did, you see that good exits are made if you release the countersteer just a bit, much earlier, if you had countersteer like 450 degree (just radomly naming something) you should release the countersteer earlier to about 250 degree's, it just makes it easier and I've seen the results (look at BreakerOhio's vid. for example, it has a wheel displayed so that you can see the countesteer:tup: )
 
It's all about throttle control and counter-steer.
At the end of the drift, ease up on the throttle, and straighten the wheel back out. That is unless you want to flick the car into the other direction to link. But I don't think you were asking that.
 
What I do for the exits is to increase the throttle a bit while decreasing the understeer so that the tires will not suddenly grip. Maybe in your problem, the tires already regained their grip when you are still countersteering. Make sure it's gradual, not fast.
 
Smoothness can not be stressed enough.


Just listen to the wheel and learn how the specific car you are using reacts to throttle and steering input while drifting.

It should just come naturally.
 
Just to add my two cents here . . . there should be no "exiting process". The original point of drifting was to make the rear of the car take the corner faster than the front causing you to be able to face the exit of the corner much sooner than you would be able to using grip racing. So in a correct drift you should regain grip just as your car is lined up with the exit of the corner. But back to reality here, we all know it never works that perfectly in real life or in video games. Just remember to be smooth, no big sudden changes in throttle or steering. And LOTS of practice. It took me a while to not spin out on every other corner. So keep practicing and good luck.
 
dsvw56
Just remember to be smooth, no big sudden changes in throttle or steering. And LOTS of practice. It took me a while to not spin out on every other corner. So keep practicing and good luck.
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I agree, I started with the Driving Force Pro about two weeks ago for about 1 to 2 hours a day and I've improved ALOT since then. I'm not saying that i'm good, but i've learned more about throttle control and countersteer. Just start out slow, and mybe study drifting videos.
 
One more thing and then I'm done, I promise. I think the biggest problem most begginers have is they try to go too big from the start. At least thats what I've seen when trying to teach my friends. Don't expect to just grab a car and do 60 degree angles around every corner right away. Start with small drifts and work your way up. What I did was hit the apex and then drift my way out of the corner. Once I got the hang of that I started initiating the drift earlier and earlier until I could drift a full corner. Then I started going for bigger angles. So just start small and work your way up.
 
dsvw56
What I did was hit the apex and then drift my way out of the corner. Once I got the hang of that I started initiating the drift earlier and earlier until I could drift a full corner. Then I started going for bigger angles. So just start small and work your way up.
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That's exactly what I'm doing now. I started drifting from the apex and now I'm starting around 1/4 into the turn. :)
 
I had the snapback problem and my fix was to not let the car get sideways too far and back off the throttle. The car will slide on its on and just use the throttle to regrain grip and control.
 
After you stop having trouble having the snap back, learn to exploit it. Linking ;)
 
Vorian
Ya it works well in S turns.
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if you suddenlly let off the gas you will snap back.. depending on your angle and where you are in the corner plus your countersteering.. THe best wya is to let off the gas smoothly so the tires don't regrip instantly and snap you into the other direction.. This is a common problem for drifters in real life.
 
I have experienced the same problem and i was wondering is it worth buying a steering wheel and pedals so that i can drift with less dificulty. And is a wheel a significant improvment to the whole game.
 
Sloth.7SL
Smoothness can not be stressed enough.


Just listen to the wheel and learn how the specific car you are using reacts to throttle and steering input while drifting.

It should just come naturally.
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Practice, practice, practice.

I'm just now being able to land whole sessions without messing up just because I've been practicing mucho mucho.

D o r i f t o,

</Vin>:dunce:
 
Related topic, but new problem:

I'm also still learning, but my problem isn't snap understeer... I just seem to slow to a halt mid corner (only hairpins really). I'm caning tsukuba for what its worth at the moment to try and learn those full 180 turns, but every time I seem to get a good angle going I just lose momentum at about 60% through the corner. The car doesn't snap or spin, just stops sideways, or if I manage to pull through I'll be going 20 mph when I exit lol :(

I can see this as a big problem if I wanna link and do 180+ degree turns, so I thought I should try and set it straight as soon as possible. Is this a common noobie mistake, and is there a general guideline to ironing it out? I have no problems with exiting longer, looser turns and can already nail the last turn 9/10, it's just 'staying alive' through the high angle 180s...

I've been experiencing this problem on several cars and setups, so I'm guessing it's just me ;)
 
Ske
Related topic, but new problem:

I'm also still learning, but my problem isn't snap understeer... I just seem to slow to a halt mid corner (only hairpins really). I'm caning tsukuba for what its worth at the moment to try and learn those full 180 turns, but every time I seem to get a good angle going I just lose momentum at about 60% through the corner. The car doesn't snap or spin, just stops sideways, or if I manage to pull through I'll be going 20 mph when I exit lol :(

I can see this as a big problem if I wanna link and do 180+ degree turns, so I thought I should try and set it straight as soon as possible. Is this a common noobie mistake, and is there a general guideline to ironing it out? I have no problems with exiting longer, looser turns and can already nail the last turn 9/10, it's just 'staying alive' through the high angle 180s...

I've been experiencing this problem on several cars and setups, so I'm guessing it's just me ;)
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Sounds like throttle control to me. If your initial setup for the drift is good, then you should be relying on throttle control to get you through a hairpin. You have to give it more throttle then I think you realize. :)
 
Ske
Related topic, but new problem:

I'm also still learning, but my problem isn't snap understeer... I just seem to slow to a halt mid corner (only hairpins really). I'm caning tsukuba for what its worth at the moment to try and learn those full 180 turns, but every time I seem to get a good angle going I just lose momentum at about 60% through the corner. The car doesn't snap or spin, just stops sideways, or if I manage to pull through I'll be going 20 mph when I exit lol :(

I can see this as a big problem if I wanna link and do 180+ degree turns, so I thought I should try and set it straight as soon as possible. Is this a common noobie mistake, and is there a general guideline to ironing it out? I have no problems with exiting longer, looser turns and can already nail the last turn 9/10, it's just 'staying alive' through the high angle 180s...

I've been experiencing this problem on several cars and setups, so I'm guessing it's just me ;)
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actually from some of the drifting I've seen (and done) this is a very common problem, and lots of people complain about it.

The only sure fire way I've found to get around it is simply to reduce the angle. Settings can help to a degree, but most of it comes down to the driving. I've posted about this in more detail elsewhere, but that was the gist of it.

You can't go through a hairpin fully perpendicular to the curbing. You have to have the nose pointed around the corner (some amount) to maintain your tangential velocity (with reference to the curb).

Just make a mental note of what speed and approximate angle that didnt work, and either try upping the speed or cutting the angle on the next attempt.
 
Bigger angles slow down the car a lot more, especially slides. Usually with bigger angles, more throttle is needed to maintain momentum throughout the turn. Once your revs start dropping below the powerband, it is very hard to regain momentum. Or maybe the angle is just too much for more throttle.

Maybe your line is fast in, slow out. If your too fast in entering a turn, you must slow down more so that the car won't drift off the track. Then you become too slow to exit the turn at a good speed.

Just some things that might be happening :). Well, good luck with drifting 👍.
 
Heh. Guess I've been driving too many rally sims, makes me wanna go all angular :dopey:

I'll try and reduce the angle and push the throttle harder and more like a power oversteer thing instead of rally drifting I guess, since I'm already pushing the entry speed as much as I can. I guess I can push it a little further if I manage to get quicker turn-ins though. I'm using a heavy car (r400) mainly, so it's a bit tough to throw around. I'm still halting in my Clio though, and that one will turn in at any speed (just a tad too nervous for my tastes :sick: )

As for the LSD tuning, I'm guessing you mean reduce rear acc? It's already at 5 or off anyway lol :guilty:

Thanks for the quick replies though 👍
 
Yeah.

If you suddenly let off the throttle expecting the car to stop drifting, the weight will shift forward and the car will oversteer even more, causing you to countersteer more than you already are.

And since your rear tires are no longer generating force to maintain kinetic friction, what happens is, in combination with your countersteer, kinetic friction will suddenly decelerate until *BAM*, your rear tires are gripping again and you're oversteering in the opposite direction that you were prior to lifting off the throttle.

This situation is almost impossible to get out of.

Smoothness is the main emphasis on throttle and steering modulation.


The act of drifting is very difficult to 'explain' to someone.

The only advice I can give is just know what you want the car to do, and figure out what you have to do to make that happen.

This knowledge will come through practice.

Less read. More drift.
 

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