F-1 Challenge: Laguna Seca

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I've been trying this race with all the F-1 cars I have (7). I still can't win this one. Most of my competitors tire wear out around lap 9 or 10. my car, however, wears out around lap 7-8. :banghead:

I know it's probably my driving skills, but can someone give me alittle tip for this track with F-1s?

After this track I will be done with the simulation mode..

HELP!:banghead:
 
I assume you have tried different gear settings ? The reason I ask is that if you feel the car is setup for your driving style then the gears may need to be changed for the track in question.

Is it your rear tires, front or both that go ?

From my calculations the AI cars pit on 9, 18, 27. You pit on 8, 16, 24, 32. You only need to get one extra lap somewhere. as this is a 33 lap race.

In the endurance I tend to pit on lap 9 in my first stint and then every 8 or 7 from then on depending on my tire wear.

When on the racetrack are you as quick as the other cars ?
 
Originally posted by Belda_Da_Hun
i don't pit in until my tires are so bad i can barly drive the car
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At some tracks that is ok but last night I couldn't handle the corkscrew with red tires.
 
start watching your lap times as your tires get worse. if they get so bad as to add up to less than the time that one pit stop would take than you should think about what you are doing.

a tip for ak-47,
do what gumpy said. try and work on tire conservation. im almost completely sure your front tires will go out first, so all you need to do is brake earlier and with less pressure on selected corners. at laguna see if it saves your tires enough in 8 laps to do one more, by doing this at the first turn, and maybe the corkscrew.

otherwise try a different car maybe. I think the 90s and 94s and h have wear the tires less than the other cars. as you have shown this can count for quite a bit.

which one are you using?
 
Originally posted by gumpy
At some tracks that is ok but last night I couldn't handle the corkscrew with red tires.
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technically.......
the test track is a track isnt it?

seriously, i am always faster if I pit when my tires are getting bad. otherwise i am probably 5 seconds slower a lap.
 
A tip for AK-47 - brake very early, ie about 200 metres before the corner. But don't break hard, 'pepper' (tap) the brakes until you get about 50 - 30 metres away from the corner, then brake relatively hard (NOT full pressure!!). Then GENTLY pepper the accelerator around the corner and GENTLY work your way back up to speed. This will save your tyres for about another lap and a half.
 
the main objective he has is to save his tires for the longest time, while not sacrificing too much time. your strategy looks interesting. im not sure how it works though.

just fool around and see what works ak. try the thing that sandstorm mentioned.
 
thank you for all the tips... actually, the car I have trouble beating is the 094/s... it just drives perfectly and pit very little. most of the time I got second place, but with a big losing margin..(almost 10 second behind...) othercars are even slower....

I got very desparete I even nailed that car into the wall on the corkscrew... yet it managed to catch up and beat me....:mad:

I will try all the suggestions tonight and see what happens...

Thanks again, guys

more work to do now...
 
Originally posted by Belda_Da_Hun
i don't pit in until my tires are so bad i can barly drive the car
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Nup that is one crap tactic......well didnt work with me anyways
They will generally run yo arse down

um....just keep at it....try to get a 15-20sec lead when you pit around the 6-7-8th lap

Worked with me.

aim for about a 1.03 lap time for the first few laps(I thinks but i did this a while ago)
 
Originally posted by advanR
the main objective he has is to save his tires for the longest time, while not sacrificing too much time. your strategy looks interesting. im not sure how it works though.
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Well, if you brake early using not much pressure, it's basically the same as braking at your normal point with full pressure, isn't it?

The theory goes that if you brake lightly you save your tyres for that bit longer, without sacrificing too much time (ie only about 1 - 2 sec) overall.
 
Running the tires into the orange and red is not a good plan with a F1 car, you will lose far too much time. It's better to pit as soon as you start getting orange tires.

If you can lap quickly enough you can make up the time an extra pitstop will cost you. Don't worry about their strategy, it's your overall race time that counts. In this 33 lap race if they pit every ten laps they will have to go in 3 times, if you pit every 7 you still only have to pit 4 times.

Generally the faster the car, the worse it is for you when your tires go red. With a standard Civic the time loss is relatively small, but with an F1 it is enormous.
 
The other thing that I've noticed (well, I don't know about F1s, but other racecars) is this - you'll be surprised at how little time driving smoothly for tire conservation actually costs you in lap times. I remember when I was nursing the C5R through the Amateur GT Allstars. At first, I was driving very roughly because the AI are so stupidly agressive in that series, and the Vette's tires would be shot very quickly. But when I drove gently, my fastest lap times were only about half a second slower, but average laptimes were much faster because the tires were in the sweet spot a lot longer, and I pitted less.
 
In each race of this series, I pitted more times than the AI does. For some reason, they can handle a car on blue, green, yellow or red tires, with the same lap times. As everybody noted above, running your tires into the red is a bad idea. You'll lose more time on the track than you would have in the pit stop.

At Laguna Seca I ran these settings:
Springs: 17.4/17.5
Ride height: 45/45
Shock Bound: 5/6
Shock Rebound: 6/7
Camber 3.6/1.9
Toe: 0.5/-1.0
Brakes: 18/21
LSD: 10/23/20
Final Drive: 4.062
Auto Setting: Level 36
Down Force: 1.00/1.50
ASM = 0; TCS = 1

This was in the F094/h and after the oil went bad. So I was at 774hp.

The Pit Schedule worked like this:
I pitted on lap 7, 14, 21 and 27
F686/m pitted on lap 7, 14, 21 and 28
F094/s pitted on lap 9, 18 and 27
F688/s pitted on lap 8, 16 and 24
F687/s pitted on lap 7, 14, 21 and 28
F090/s pitted on lap 10, 20 and 30

I elected to pit on Lap 27 instead of 28 to give me one more lap one better tires.

Keys on the Track.
Take the corkscrew in a gear higher than you think. This is a trick that I use to lessen the chance of the car spinning down the hill. The same with the last hairpin. Buy going through the corner in a gear higher, you lessen the chance of wheel spin (which eats up your tires).

Additional Notes:
The AI is really spot on in this race. You need to brake earlier than you think, and take some corners faster than you realize. The Left hander approaching the Corkscrew can me taken wide open. Just know your turn-in point.

Good luck, and keep us posted.

AO
 
Originally posted by neon_duke
The other thing that I've noticed (well, I don't know about F1s, but other racecars) is this - you'll be surprised at how little time driving smoothly for tire conservation actually costs you in lap times. I remember when I was nursing the C5R through the Amateur GT Allstars. At first, I was driving very roughly because the AI are so stupidly agressive in that series, and the Vette's tires would be shot very quickly. But when I drove gently, my fastest lap times were only about half a second slower, but average laptimes were much faster because the tires were in the sweet spot a lot longer, and I pitted less.
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Thats a very good point. Simply driving a non-aggressive style, can add multiple laps to your tires. If your flying balls-to-the-wall the whole time,.. your sliding every corner,... tearing into your tires. Tire wear stratagy is much different than balls-out stratagy. You have to accept that driving conservitive, even though it may cost a second a lap,.. will be made up for in less pit time.
 
Laguna Seca was actually the easiest of the F1 series races for me to win. I guess its because of the ridiculous amount of time i have spent racing that course. Every time i want to test or fine-tune a car, I use LS as my test track. It really tests a car's road handling ability.

Oh, and i beat the entire F1 Championship with the F090. Including Laguna Seca. Very stressful, but i ended up with a few great replay saves:)
 
first of all i got an eu version so i use polyphony 1 but i can always win jus by pittin in evry 5 laps. i can do this because i have a lot of practice but its not that difficult n e way because i can turn round the corners without hitting them and because out of a corner they gradually accelerate whereas i dont i jus slam the button and floor it :lol: so by the:

5th lap: 10 secs ahead
7th lap: (they pit in) 20-30 ahead
10th lap: (they catch up a little) 30 ahead
15th lap: (they pit in on 14th) 40-50 ahead etc.:rolleyes:
 

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