F1 Poll: Should I stay or should I go?

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Stay in F1, or new formula GP series?

  • F1. It's irreplaceable.

    Votes: 23 57.5%

  • F Bernie. F1 is a joke.

    Votes: 17 42.5%
  • Total voters
    40
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Ferrari doesn't want to play nice with the new F1 rules. Should this be the straw that breaks the camel's back, ushering in a new series? Are teams better off sticking to the old guard?

DUN, DUN, DUUUUUNNN!!!
 
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lpb-nissan-gt-r
far too many rules, what happened to the fastest guy win's, regardless on budjet.
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Actually, this is dsigned to promote the fastest guy winning. The problem was that in the past, the more money a team spent, the faster they could generally go, and smaller teams were collapsing because they couldn't get the results to retain the sponsors they needed to keep up with the big boys.
 
before this season i would have said that F1 is a joke, because the the fastest teams were the ones who could throw the most money at their car. but after seeing Ferrari and McLaren strugle and Brawn and Red Bull dominate this season, i think it might not be all about who has more money anymore.
 
Well... if you ignore the fact that Red Bull has so much money it runs two F1 teams and the Brawn GP car was bought for £1 after Honda spent their entire 2009 AND 2008 budget and resources developing the car...
 
Famine
the Brawn GP car was bought for £1 after Honda spent their entire 2009 AND 2008 budget and resources developing the car...
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Actually, it wasprobably way less. Didn't Brawn get the cars, the equipment, the people AND the facilities - and anything else I may have missed - at Brackley for one ound?
 
Yup. The whole concern bought for a quid.

It's a bit of a stretch to say that the car was developed on a smaller budget than McLaren/Ferrari/Toyota though.
 
Even if they had, the BGP doesn't have a Honda engine or gearbox so, like the STR/RBR, it's not considered the same car.
 
Famine
Even if they had, the BGP doesn't have a Honda engine or gearbox so, like the STR/RBR, it's not considered the same car.
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Actually, it does have a Honda gearbox, as this is the reason why they picked Mercedes over Ferrari for their engine, as it fit better with that gearbox. I believe they still had/have a few issues with the gearbox.

I doubt BGP001 would come under customer chassis issues, because Honda are not a team racing right now, so technically it would be a "factory" chassis.

I think Ferrari should stay in F1, I still want F1 to continue, why is it that anyone who stands up to Max and Bernie is instantly expected to leave? I want to see them take a stand and balance the power better.
 
SUPER NUMBBER
I should've added a 3rd option to the poll - move to another racing series...
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Yes, you should. Ferrari to LMP1 please!
I´m not exactly a Ferrari fan, but I do agree with them on this matter. Two sets of rules in F1? No thank you! I like F1, but secretly I´m hoping for a total blowout. Ferrari, Toyota, BMW, Renault, Mercedes, all going to something else! Either a brakeaway series, or an existing one. Preferably sportscars...
 
chrisbroughton
Open wheel racing has to be the pinnacle. If all the teams decided to pull out and join the le mans series, then GP2 would be the pinnacle of motorsport. Hardly what it was designed to represent.
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Why would GP2 be the pinnacle all of a sudden? Where is your logic man?
 
SaberFire
I think he means GP2 would be the pinnacle of open wheel sport.
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I still don't understand the logic - what does the manufacturers leaving F1 have to do with GP2? Why would it promote it? What's wrong with having almost entirely privateer teams in F1? Why does F1 have to have manufacturers involved to be considered the pinnacle?
 
Ardius
I still don't understand the logic - what does the manufacturers leaving F1 have to do with GP2? Why would it promote it? What's wrong with having almost entirely privateer teams in F1? Why does F1 have to have manufacturers involved to be considered the pinnacle?
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I totally agree! And why would open wheel=pinnacle of motorsport? F1 used to be a largely privateerdriven thing, plus a few smaller manufacturers, like Ferrari or Lotus. I can see that happening again, and it wouldn´t hurt a bit!

Todays LMP1´s are highly advanced, at least from an engineering point of view, allthough they are heavier and less aeroadvanced than any F1 car. But I can´t see why these cars couldn´t become the pinnacle?

Buuuut...if there was a breakaway series, wich drew all the major manufacturers in to compete, I´d say that that would be the pinnacle of motorsport, simply because it would sport more advanced and almost certainly faster cars.
 
I never thought as Formula 1 as the outright pinnacle of all motorsport. Definitely the pinnacle that all drivers would probably want to aspire to and all team owners want to take part in but not the best of the best.
I put it on a level with the Le Mans 24 Hours and the WRC personally for technological skill as well as driver skill.
 
F1 is the pinnacle of motorsports because, on almost every "track" (definition excludes ovals, dragstrips and actual streets), there is no quicker way to do a lap.
 
Famine
F1 is the pinnacle of motorsports because, on almost every "track" (definition excludes ovals, dragstrips and actual streets), there is no quicker way to do a lap.
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Yes, in that sense though, F1 was the at its pinnacle in 2004 and has since been in decline. :p
 
F1 without ferrari is missing all the drama. And aren't a good amount of F1 viewers hardcore ferrari fans?
 
This whole F1 getting boring thing is getting boring.

Heres how I see it. F1 is getting boring, but I couldn't get rid of it. Where are all the comparisons going to go? (eg - it's faster, louder than an F1 car at half the price etc). It's a bit like having a child who turns criminal - you just couldn't kill them.

F1 needs more changes. This KERs system is all well and good for promoting green sustainable processes, and the new design regulations are all well and good for promoting overtaking - but if I wanted to see just how fast man can go, I'd hop on YouTube and type in "salt flats" or "air race". These F1 cars of late are just pathetic (not in a technical way). I mean who the hell is driving the thing? I suspect it's more the people in the garage than the the Uber attractive (so I'm told) square jawed drivers.

If F1 were to go back to the old days, what we need is less handling and more power - and NO radio communication. More exitement would come from all the drivers jumping in EVOs for a thrash. I think it was Shanghai (could be everywhere though) that I noticed the cars were redlining in top gear with about 700M to the breaking point. Where's the fun in that? You need room to slipstreem people! I don't care how fast you're going - if you're going to reach top speed in 8 seconds, I don't want to see much of it. It seems no one these days is having much fun in F1 (except Braun of course)

Sorry for the rant - but it explains that I chose to keep F1 on the poll - although serious changes need to be made.

*ducks for cover as he sees a wall of flame*
 
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Well, thats the question isn't it - is F1 about testing the drivers or is about being the ultimate in technology?

I have to say, in the very end, I enjoy it for its technological side about as much as the driver side. If you want to watch drivers on the edge, why not watch WRC?
I enjoy the details of the aerodynamics, electronics, etc in F1, I'm very interested in the engineering side of it all and I would hate F1 to be limited spec-series style just so there is more overtaking and crashes. As it is, overtaking requires some skill to perform and in my opinion thats how it should be, it shouldn't just be like NASCAR or something where it happens so much no one particularly cares.

F1 is fine as it is, as long as they keep the technological innovation side of things. Aerodynamics as we know it for open wheelers was pioneered by F1, taking it away and throwing on loads of power seems more soul-ripping than the medal system.
I don't understand how people can watch F1 all these years and hate the very things that make it interesting.
 

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