Faint drifting, how to make them longer??

Boris Lozac

Boris Lozac

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I've recorded some faint drifting videos, so please tell me how to make them last longer, i've used Tank spankers tutorial of faint drifting, and i seem to get it right, it looks like his... BUT, how to make my drift last longer, for example, i wanna drift the whole last turn in Tsukuba, before the strart line... i managed in one of this videos, to drift half of it, or less, but how to make that sick drifts, that lasts long... I am using Logitech Formula force feedback(BTW, is this the DF wheel that is mentioned, because i don't see DF being written anywhere??), and in CSL videos i used N3, in S2000 N2...
So guys, can you suggest something to make my drifts longer..
Thanks...

Here is the link:
http://rapidshare.de/files/2213067/Boris_faint_drifting.rar.html
 
Hey it just comes to timing of EVERYTHING, how fast you begin countersteering=controlling angle, it just comes to angle and agresiveness really, good thread though, I don't remember this ever being covered. Try to lower your angle, and since I can't download your vid now, can you tell me what your using? DS2 or DFP.

I can for sure help you, I drift absolutely EVERY CORNER with feint technique, including long corners.

I hope no one lets this thread close by saying: "there are already video's with plenty of feinting" cause seeing the vid is one thing, but to apply it ask some more skill offcourse
 
hmm i agree with G-T-4-Fan he's true... the angle u come in it might be too much resulting in u slowing down n sideways on the map stopped or u'll hit the wall or get out of ur drift if u try to straight it... (was just trynna drift d1gp mazda) try faint drift into it maybe its just me or sumthin iono... but i know that the angle u come in can affect how ur gonna stop or keep going... i guess u can try going into the drift with little angle & as u keep goin just put a little more in but like gt4fan says countersteer u might not be able to hold the angle n so it'll just go back to straight blah blah balh just mess with the angles over and over and see what u can do later thats all i got of my crappy opinion & help i guess...
 
G-T-4-Fan
I hope no one lets this thread close by saying: "there are already video's with plenty of feinting" cause seeing the vid is one thing, but to apply it ask some more skill offcourse
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And that's exaclty why I HAVEN'T closed this one. :sly:
 
Yep, timing is everything. The speed at which you're moving has a bit to do with it too, but if you time your feint motion correctly than you can drift through the corner in almost any circumstance applying the proper throttle control, brake control, and counter steer. You want to set up your feint motion so that you're turning the car into the corner very sharply at the entrance and at the outside of the corner. So if you're drifting a left hand corner, stay to the left, jerk the car to the right, then jerk it back to the left once you're on the right side of the road. Then drift into the apex (the inside, or in this case the left side of the road), using throttle control and braking techniques, and accelerate out of the corner back to the right side of the road.

Sounds complicated when I write it all down, but it's really not that bad. Once you get it, you got it. :sly:
 
Quickly said:
-Enough countersteer to maintain your angle rather than let it increase, that results in pretty much countersteer
-throttle control, but I can go thrue much of those long corners flat out (I heard a question mark for that word, so I mean: FULL THROTTLE=flat out;))

For the end I would recomend you start flat out, then when you come to the corner exit, you might be going too fast, or be having too little angle and will be heading out of the corner, if that happens, give it a quick brake and your angle will increase, resulting in a change of direction (away from the grass on the outside) and reducing your speed. Again, such a rapid change in angle might need some QUICK COUNTERSTEERING RESPONSE! Be prepared for that.

The brake reaction is varied, it depends on how high your ride height is (controlling the quickness on wich you change direction) and your brake balance settings (controlling your ANGLE change, wich will be affected by ride height offcourse)

I've typed an ENORMOUS explanation here, but it simply comes to: Faint, countersteer early and as much as needed to limit your angle(much that means), and at exit, brake a second to keep you on track.
 
hmm after watching the video i have to say you need to calm down, i think your just forcing the car into a drift rather than letting the steering and throttle do the work. for the big hairpin corner on tsukuba i'd say you just jerked the wheel thus doing that 4 wheel drift.

on that corner you should wait a little bit after the blinking gear then break, down shift, do a little faint then turn into the corner and control your throttle and countersteer. i actually had no problem drifting the whole hairpin with the s.s. shingo ae86 with stock power and n2 tires. i think youd do better if you start off with underpowered cars...but i say take it slow and more, how should one say, smooth inputs 👍
 
Hey thanks guys, i really appreciate the answers, i ll try those suggestions you said...
Anyway, someone asked what wheel i am using, it's Logitech formula force GP, and please clear this for me, is this that DF wheel?? This is the official GT3 wheel, i don't what is that DF you guys mention.. :)
Back to subject.. i really had no idea what FAINT actually means, i mean i know what i have to do to get it started after whatching tank's video, if it is a right turn, then i come from the right side, full throtlle, then quick turn to the left, brake, and then quick right turn... is this the way to do it, and does this whole procedure is called Faint, or what, what does faint actually means, i am pretty good with english ;) , but i don't know this one..
So, to make drift longer, i have to make my entering angle smaller, and then play with throtlle, steering...
I just can't get it right like on some RL videos that i have, it seems that they do it easily, and they are combining drifts, turn after turn, it looks like, it just needs some hard throtle to maintain the drift, while in GT4 i have to really push it wildly from one side to another to drift, while in RL you just have to gas it, and counter steer a little... Am i feeling this way because i don't have a 900 degree wheel, is it because of that, what difference does the DFP have in drifting comparing to my wheel??

And please whatch the videos, it really helps when you can suggest me how to improve myself after knowing exactly how i did them...
Thanks...
 
speed in is important,low angle half of the corner and throttle control(3 quarter throttle most of the way,stab the throttle if you feel grip coming back)full throttle last quarter of the corner and counter steer...
 
Yea, but it seems that cars regain grip very quick, i mean, the only way to make long drifts is to really wave it from one side to another in high speed from the start of the turn, and then it slides, no much need for the gas, i wanna be able to drift like on Wet Tsukuba, you know, just floor it, and it slides, but on dry surface, i can only do some power slides, not actual, long, consistence drifts you know..
But i didn't played it since you guys suggested those things, gotta try tonight, then i'll post what i've done...
BTW, i am doing this on stock cars, both CSL and S2000 are stock, i am not in the mood for playing with car settings, i love when car is stock..
Generaly, what is better for the car to drift, to make it low height, or increase the suspension.. ??
 
But yet, stock might just be your problem mate....:scared:
I would give it more power if I were you.
Fainting is exactly how you said, begin right, steer left and then right again, and you should drift easily.

I guess a huge part of the problem is on your angle and SETTINGS lol, try some from the depot.
It takes a few min. longer, but it's very rewarding:P
 
Can you guys post some videos of you drifting the whole last turn in Tsukuba, or on the Grand valey east.?? It would really help, and an explanation how u did it, and settings for the car.. Thanks..
 
I was trying to drift that whole last turn in Tsukuba tonight, and i just can't get it right, i tried your suggestions, and it just won't do it..
I tried with low entering angle, but tires regain grip very quick, and if aply the throthle, it would just slide out of the track, and get me 180... The best i can do is drift half of that turn.. I just can't find the answer for the whole turn....
Post some videos guys, please, i wanna see it being done.. :ouch:
 
Boris Lozac
I was trying to drift that whole last turn in Tsukuba tonight, and i just can't get it right, i tried your suggestions, and it just won't do it..
I tried with low entering angle, but tires regain grip very quick, and if aply the throthle, it would just slide out of the track, and get me 180... The best i can do is drift half of that turn.. I just can't find the answer for the whole turn....
Post some videos guys, please, i wanna see it being done.. :ouch:
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entering angle cant be very low. if tires regain quick, try add more gas, make it "spin" a little bit, release the throttle, also contrl your countersteer angle. good luck :)
 
Tsukuba last turn drift
Crappy webcam recording but its as good as your gonna get until i get a vid capture card..

Silvia S14,everything fully modded except im using Stage 1 turbo(280`ish BHP)thats plenty to get the job done....N2 tyres front and rear,and AIDS off..

You can pretty much drift through this corner full throttle with this car(depending on your setup)
 
u can drift that turn with a stock s14 on n1's if u really wanted too i will post the video when i can get it recorded but nonetheless i drifted the big hair ina silvia k's aero s14 stock everything on n1's
 
Yeah allright, but it's best to learn how to countersteer and throttle control in such a corner, with MORE power, just puta stage 1 or 2 turbo on it:sly::P
 
not necessarily gt-4 fan a true stock car can teach u all the basic drift technique's and control underpowered cars are harder to drift obviously i can take my s14 k's and drift the turn or i can take a d1 silvia and drift it takes more precise inputs to drift that certain with a underpowered car such a silvia s14 k's as with the d1 car u can just power thru it buthey what do i know this is just my opion on this subject i will post the video here in a few
outside view


inside view

comments are welcome like i said this is my view on the matter kind of off topic but i wanna show u all on gtp that u dont need a car fully modded or setup to drift a decently sized hairpin turn and i use the feint drift to enter the specific turn enjoy
 
Thanks, will download your videos when i am home..
I don't have Silvia yet, but i bet it's alot easier to drift with, then with CSL, RUF, or S2000.. . So basicaly, i must have more powered car to drift longer..??
 
yes and no of course more power equals more wheel spin but u can feint drift down a whole straight from one turn to the other with stock car if u are skilled enough
 
Ok, E, A, doesn't matter.. but now that you mention Scandinavian flick, yes it is exactly the same method as fEint drift, i remember that from RBR..
 
Any one seen any races from the D1 drift comp? those fellas a nuts, They actually get marked down if there cars are straight at anytime on the course. Shame you cant get drift spec diffs or tyres on GT4 but i guess you could make ur Full diff to resemble one. Settings anyone?
 
THANKS GUYS!! I've finally did it!! Your advices was very helpfull....
First, i did it with stock Yellow bird, and N3's, and then i did it with CSL, the yellow bird drift was bit better.. i see, i can improve myself much further..
Tell me if it can be done better than this, but i mean, not setting it up for drift, but stock as it is.. i think i can improve my angle more, on both videos....
THANKS AGAIN!!

here's the link:

http://rapidshare.de/files/2264138/Tsukuba_drift.rar.html
 
ur problem if u cant drift good with feint move? its ur damn car and some cars even tuned all the way cars can be underpower car (ae86) so u need to keep the throttle up alot around turns jsut a min then after u see the exiting of ur corner hit the throttle to watch the back slide out it'll look way sikk!! :sly: cars like the s14 which have a good brake balance between front and back need some braking applied to swing the back outn controlling the throotle of the car etc theres alot i just explained but too lazy to explain the rest since u drive a ??? s2000 i see hah theres a porblem as in control the angle u come in and the throttle try revving arond 6 or 7000rpm n keep at it then when u see exit throttle all the way for a perfect drift... i managed to do this couple of times with the ae86 i will post a video tomorrow hope this helps later... remember its mostly about ur car, angle, braking, thottle applied, they will apply alot of different needs to each basis including mostly ur car drivetrain and weight as light as a ae86 stage 3 its light as hell n the feint movement might swing them into the drift too much resulting into short outcut drift which sucks since i did it alot of times or maybe a mr car lets say a mr2 drifting since mr cars have mid egines they have more traction in the back which means more understeer what u wanna do is go in the turn brake more then usually in a fd car n hit the throttle to lose traction n slide out more well ill explain more later enough of my long post later n hope this helps out a lil... :sly:
 
kon2oo5
ur problem if u cant drift good with feint move? its ur damn car and some cars even tuned all the way cars can be underpower car (ae86) so u need to keep the throttle up alot around turns jsut a min then after u see the exiting of ur corner hit the throttle to watch the back slide out it'll look way sikk!! :sly: cars like the s14 which have a good brake balance between front and back need some braking applied to swing the back outn controlling the throotle of the car etc theres alot i just explained but too lazy to explain the rest since u drive a ??? s2000 i see hah theres a porblem as in control the angle u come in and the throttle try revving arond 6 or 7000rpm n keep at it then when u see exit throttle all the way for a perfect drift... i managed to do this couple of times with the ae86 i will post a video tomorrow hope this helps later... remember its mostly about ur car, angle, braking, thottle applied, they will apply alot of different needs to each basis including mostly ur car drivetrain and weight as light as a ae86 stage 3 its light as hell n the feint movement might swing them into the drift too much resulting into short outcut drift which sucks since i did it alot of times or maybe a mr car lets say a mr2 drifting since mr cars have mid egines they have more traction in the back which means more understeer what u wanna do is go in the turn brake more then usually in a fd car n hit the throttle to lose traction n slide out more well ill explain more later enough of my long post later n hope this helps out a lil... :sly:
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Sory, but i hardly understand what you are saying, i see your point, but there is so many mistakes in your writing... ;)
Post the video of what are u trying to say... ;)
 

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