Favorite Mercedes AMG Model

[GT4_Rule]

Err....if M-B makes such great stick shifts then why did Car & Driver complain about the handbrake and clutch being in an awkward position? May I ask?

I never said that they didnt make manuals too. I just said that they haven't been too good at it, looking at they put the handbrake on the footpedal and moving the clutch from where its supposed to be...thats not called good.

 

[TheCracker]

You see how M-B is trying to avoid using the term "van" for R-class? Grand Sports Tourer....what a joke.

A van is generally a 'body-on-chassis' affair - the R-class is a unibody and therefore a car.

The older V-class was a proper van.

 

[Wolfe]

A van is generally a 'body-on-chassis' affair - the R-class is a unibody and therefore a car.

The older V-class was a proper van.

I think he was talking about "van" as a short-hand for "minivan," and minivans have been unibody for years...

 

[neanderthal]

Err....if M-B makes such great stick shifts then why did Car & Driver complain about the handbrake and clutch being in an awkward position? May I ask?

a) i never said mercedes makes great manuals. try to not put words in my mouth.
b) im sure you can find other instances of car magazine editors complaining about the placement of controls and switches.
in other words, moot point. strawman argument. red herring.

good try though.

I never said that they didnt make manuals too. I just said that they haven't been too good at it, looking at they put the handbrake on the footpedal and moving the clutch from where its supposed to be...thats not called good.

according to you. i find it intresting that you view the placement of the parking brake as a sign that the manual transmission isnt any good. the two are not related in the least.
how often do you make leaps in logic like that.


and for your information the W201 190E models had a regular handbrake, between the seats. but only because the cars footwell didnt give it enough space to have a foot operated parking brake like all the other mercedes.

ive forgotten the reason, but there is a reason that mercedes insists on using a foot operated parking brake despite conventional wisdom. porsche uses an outboard key. its becasue traditionally in races like the lemans and so on, they used to do a running start; run across the street, start your car, and go. porsche drivers could start the car with one hand while banging it into first gear with the other. immediate advantage.
saab uses a between the seats key. ive forgotten thier reasoning.
some makers have light switches on stalks while others have them on rotary switches.
some mercedes models had a single wiper arm. it covered more glass area than two smaller arms would.
some use lugnuts some use wheel studs. manufacturers have thier reasons. not all are because they are trying to please the editorial staff at a US car magazine.

not everyone who buys a car is a car enthusiast.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Sorry, been away for a few days.

Anyways

Many (and not just people, car mags too) regard hand-operated handbrakes as sporty while foot-operated handbrake is not sporty. I know M-B has their reasons, but hand-operated is the modern interpretation of sporty. So, yes, you are right, that itself is not enought ot write off the manual trans my M-B as not good, but I personally would rather buy a Lancer Evo which has better transmission and actually has a hand-operated handbrake, and is much, much more of a better car for enthusiasts. M-B quality sucks, especially on C-Class. I was on one at the auto show. Ordinary car.

 

[McLaren]

CLS55... gah gah

Same here! 👍

Though I'm looking forward to those reports of a CLS65AMG.

 

[GT4_Rule]

Oh man no 65 version of that "world's first 4-door coupe"??

 

[Tornado]

Wow, then it will be just like the Jag XJ V12, the worlds "actual first 4-door coupe."

 

[GT4_Rule]

Wow, then it will be just like the Jag XJ V12, the worlds "actual first 4-door coupe."

 

[YSSMAN]

I wouldnt make fun of the CLS. Mercedes has a big hit on their hands with the CLS, and often times they can't keep them on the showroom floor. Plus, thanks to the success of the CLS, we are going to see the Audi A7, and the VW Passat "Coupe", and a possible 5-series "Coupe" all in respose to the CLS.

I personally like the car, and I would be willing to spend the extra $8000 over an E500 to get into a CLS500. The looks are better both inside and out, and the driving is a bit more "sporty" than that of the E-class models. Unfortunatley for the CLS in the US, there isnt a V6 option, which sucks, but I suppose I would only buy one with a V8 anyway.

...As far as a CLS65? I doubt it. I'm not sure how far the twin-turbo V12 can tricle down the M-B chain, so it may not be able to "work" in the CLS/E-class. We are probably more likely to see a CLS63, which has nearly as much horsepower, but of course does without the 700lb-ft of torque.

 

[GT4_Rule]

5 series coupe? VW Passat coupe?

Those German makers are seriously starting to freak me out...

 

[YSSMAN]

...Dee dee dee, obviously the 5-series coupe is the 6-series, but I was refering to coupe styling on a 5-series sedan.

 

[McLaren]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=105395Don't push AMG away yet YSS.

Mercedes have announced over the next year or so, more AMGs will be added.

As for the CLS, she's been spotted with the traditional front air vents on the sides of the front bumper.

Look out BMW.

 

[GT4_Rule]

I thought there were enough AMGs out there...how many more do they need?

Viano AMG.... AMG Van

 

[YSSMAN]

...I presumed the 65-series V12 AMGs were going to be retired after the intoduction of the 63-series V8 AMG products. I really don't care either way, and I belive that by days end I would rather have the twin-tubo V12 out front than a big V8. Well, maybe not. It is a VERY tough choise...

 

[Wolfe]

...Dee dee dee, obviously the 5-series coupe is the 6-series, but I was refering to coupe styling on a 5-series sedan.

If so, I would love to see the "5-series coupe" as the 4-series, to permanently eliminate the possibility of 2-door 3-series cars turning into the 4-series.

Then again, BMW's excus-- I mean, reason, for not following that naming convention was that Rover threatened a lawsuit, what with their "4-series" cars and all.

We also have yet to see the 2-series BMW was supposedly planning.....

 

[GT4_Rule]

Best idea for BMW:

- 1 series
- 2 series
- 3 series
- 4 series
- 5 series
- 6 series
- 7 series
- 8 series
- 9 series
-10 series
-11 series

and so on

 

[Kylehnat]

I voted for CLK55, but I mean the previous generation CLK. It had very hard lines and looked liked it could outrun just about anything. The current generation is too curvy (read: feminine) for my liking. (This is the same affliction that causes me not to like the later E46 3-Series cars (2002-2004); they look like they are wearing eyeliner around the headlights).

 

[GT4_Rule]

Agree w/kylehnat.

E46 BMW = best designed 3-series ever. Right?

 

[Wolfe]

Agree w/kylehnat.

E46 BMW = best designed 3-series ever. Right?

Many people will agree with you, but it's still not the best-designed 3-series ever.

I don't know if I'd call the new Mercedes-Benz models "feminine".....they're more "banana-like."

 

[McLaren]

Best idea for BMW:

- 1 series
- 2 series
- 3 series
- 4 series
- 5 series
- 6 series
- 7 series
- 8 series
- 9 series
-10 series
-11 series

and so on

Be a little hard, though, considering the 8 series has already come and go.

 

[Wolfe]

Be a little hard, though, considering the 8 series has already come and go.

That didn't stop BMW from producing the E63, now did it?

 

[gt4rulez]

the old G 55 amg for sure, just because it's the fastest sea container on earth!

 

[Dougboy]

why does benz have an AMG option for every one of its models while bmw doenst have an M option?

An M7 would kick S65 butt (maybe not in the a straight line). And it would be cool to have MX5's (M version of X5, not to be confused with the mazda).

 

[YSSMAN]

Well, the "M" X5 would have been the X5 4.8is. It was comparable to the old ML55 in most performance tests, but by today's standards, the 4.8is just isnt good enough anymore.

 

[McLaren]

why does benz have an AMG option for every one of its models while bmw doenst have an M option?

An M7 would kick S65 butt (maybe not in the a straight line). And it would be cool to have MX5's (M version of X5, not to be confused with the mazda).

They do. They're considered "sport" packages.

I have one on my 330Ci, M logos on the wheels.

 

[neanderthal]

Many (and not just people, car mags too) regard hand-operated handbrakes as sporty while foot-operated handbrake is not sporty. I know M-B has their reasons, but hand-operated is the modern interpretation of sporty. So, yes, you are right, that itself is not enought ot write off the manual trans my M-B as not good, but I personally would rather buy a Lancer Evo which has better transmission and actually has a hand-operated handbrake, and is much, much more of a better car for enthusiasts. M-B quality sucks, especially on C-Class. I was on one at the auto show. Ordinary car.

so what youre trying to say is that mercedes should try to concentrate on selling thier cars to the 5% of the market (if that! ) that wants to buy a sporty car vs the 95% that dont really care if it is? you do realise that "enthusiasts" are a miniscule fraction of the car market dont you.

i bet you there are more camries sold a year in the united states than the top 20 sports cars. id go so far as to say that there are more camries, accords and altimas sold in the US alone, than the top 50 sports cars in the whole world. what does that say about the significance of your enthusiast drivers vs the hoi polloi to a corporation whose sole purpose it so make money?

do you apply some thought before you post or do you just like to see your writing on the screen?

my mother is more likely to buy a new car than you are? should mercedes cater to you and employ a hand operated parking brake or her, who doesnt really care where it is?

 

[benzoboy]

Ehh..., what is it?

Oh, you don't know , it's the E55 AMG

 

[GT4_Rule]

I'm not sure, but I think that manual trans are most likely to be bought by enthusiasts, or at least, would-be enthusiasts.

 

[Wolfe]

Oh, you don't know , it's the E55 AMG

That took forever.

The sedan, or the wagon?