FBI Total a stolen Ferrari F50 durring joyride

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So apperently the FBI had a recovered Ferrari F50, and they decided to go for a quick joyride. Well then they Crashed the thing and told the insurance company they (the FBI/DOJ) would foot the bill, but they refused. Now the insurance company is trying to use a freedom of information act to gain evidence of the crash, but the FBI is not cooperating at all, the statue of limitations for filing another lawsuit for the value of the F50 runs out on March 13.

Cliffs: FBI takes recoved F50 on joyride, seconds after leaving the parking lot crashes car, FBI says a claim could be made, then they deny the claim, insurace company investigates, FBI stonwalls them.

http://jalopnik.com/5769631/feds-total-ferrari-in-joyriding-crash-stonewall-insurance-company


This is pretty messed up.

Sorry if this story is a bit on the old side but this case is just making its way to court.
 
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It's hard to be an American sometimes...

These authority-figure guys (Police, FBI, etc.) all too often get it into their heads that because of their profession, they possess a special qualification to do whatever the hell they want and get away with it.
 
It's hard to be an American sometimes...

These authority-figure guys (Police, FBI, etc.) all too often get it into their heads that because of their profession, they possess a special qualification to do whatever the hell they want and get away with it.

That's every job. Every day there seems to be another valet, mechanic etc.. that has been caught joy riding. This sort of thing is nothing new, the only difference is that a government employee is involved.
 
That's not as bad as I thought it would be. Doesn't excuse the FBI's actions, but the car is fixable.
 
That's not as bad as I thought it would be. Doesn't excuse the FBI's actions, but the car is fixable.

Yeah the car "looks" like its fine, but If you read the article it says that the carbon fiber "frame was broken", its unfortunately totaled.
 
Yeah the car "looks" like its fine, but If you read the article it says that the carbon fiber tub/chassis is cracked, its unfortunately totaled.
With a normal car, yes, it'd be totaled. But I reckon if Ferrari can find a way to get their hands on this car, they'll take it back; they've rebuilt cars in worse shape.
 
I think your a forgetting this car has an owner, who now owns a totaled ferrari. It was worth $750,000 before the accident, now its value is much much lower, and it still needs fixing if it can be fixed.

The Idea that the car is totaled isn't mine, its in the article.
 
I think your a forgetting this car has an owner, who now owns a totaled ferrari. It was worth $750,000 before the accident, now its value is much much lower, and it still needs fixing if it can be fixed.
I haven't forgotten any of that. What I don't think you realize though, is that Ferrari normally will fix these cars because of what they mean to the company. If the owner is willing to foot the bill, they'll do it. If he doesn't, he'll either sale it to someone who can or stick with a wrecked Ferrari.

Regardless of any of this, it is repairable by Ferrari's standards in the past.
 
You would figure that F50 owners are probably rejoicing that their middle-school-designed Italian mega-Corvettes with Supra wings are now just a little rarer. I always thought the F50 was the ugliest and most contrived-looking and derivatively-styled Ferrari of them all.

If the claim was already paid in full to the dealer, why do they care about a product that essentially should be destroyed in the first place?
 
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The DOJ has to pay for this and then make the driver pay for it. Why should it be the taxpayer's burden?
 
What's his PSN ID? I'll just send him a 1000 ticket.

A mechanic, over here in Australia, nearly had a doctors car impounded after taking it for a fast test drive. Maybe he could be hired by the FBI to test drive their Ferrari's.
 
I always wondered in cases where ultra rare cars like the Veyrons, and Enzos and such go when they have bad accidents.

Are they sent to local dealer for fixing, or are they shipped off back to the factory for repair?
 
I always wondered in cases where ultra rare cars like the Veyrons, and Enzos and such go when they have bad accidents.

Are they sent to local dealer for fixing, or are they shipped off back to the factory for repair?
I'd imagine they are sent back to the factory. That's what Ferrari has done with the Enzo, anyway.
 
I'd imagine they are sent back to the factory. That's what Ferrari has done with the Enzo, anyway.

That must be one hell of a shipping bill then.

Not that it matters when the car in question costs more than a well-endowed home.
 
I'm pretty sure this is an old story...

More details...

Followup: More fascinating backstory behind the FBI-wrecked Ferrari F50 is revealed

by Aaron Richardson (RSS feed) on Apr 21st 2011 at 7:58AM
Ferrari F50

The story of the 1996 Ferrari F50 that was stolen from a Pennsylvania dealership, lost for five years, then crashed by two FBI agents, has gained some plot twists. The story begins in 2003 with Tom Baker, an airline pilot with a love for all things Ferrari and a serious talent for slick talking. It ends with an insurance company locked in litigation with the Department of Justice, trying to recover the $625,000 it paid Algar Ferrari/Maserati for the now-worthless Ferrari.

Baker, an airline pilot, realized he'd never be able to afford one of Maranello's finest, and hatched a plan to live his dream by illegal means. Turns out the Pennsylvania F50 wasn't Baker's only heist. Baker started relatively small, convincing North Carolina Ferrari dealer Steve Barney to let him take a 1989 Ferrari 328 GTS for a test drive, never to return.

According to Barney, Baker worked a perfect con, making fast friends with the dealer. Barney, who was battling cancer at the time he met Baker, said the con man told him he was a radiologist, even taking the time to look at his X-rays and asking what medication he was on. One day, Baker asked to test drive the 328 GTS. Barney obliged, and never saw Baker again.

Continue Reading Followup: More fascinating backstory behind the FBI-wrecked Ferrari F50...

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Next, Baker bilked a Long Island dealer out of a 1985 Ferrari Testarossa. His pièce de résistance, though, was the F50. Baker, without his driver's license, waltzed into Algar Ferrari/Maserati in Philadelphia, claiming he was the CEO of a California tech firm. He said he had flown in from Atlanta to look at the F50, and was ready to make a down payment after a test drive.

When the dealership handed over the keys, Baker took off, accelerating Ferrari F50 No. 29 to 100 miles per hour before cresting a hill and disappearing. The next time anyone saw the car was in 2008, when FBI agents seized it from the Kentucky emergency room doctor Baker had sold it to. The doctor, who had reported the car stolen after checking the VIN against Ferrari's records, lost both the car and the $375,000 he had paid Baker for it.

That's where the story takes an odd turn. Baker, the brazen and apparently heartless con man, gave the F50 buyer his money back, in an apparent attempt to cover his tracks. Through the whole ordeal, Baker appeared to keep his cool.

With the car in hand, the feds arrested Baker, the insurance company was notified that the car had been found and the F50 was put into storage. Prior to Baker's sentencing, two FBI agents, allegedly moving the car from one storage facility to another, ran the car into a tree, totaling it. Now, Motors Insurance Group wants the feds to pony up the money they paid Algar for the car back in 2003. They'd also like to know exactly what the two agents were doing driving the car.

The Department of Justice, however, won't budge. They say that since the Ferrari was being detained by the FBI for an investigation, the money isn't their problem. As it stands, the matter remains to be untangled in court. As for the whereabouts of the mangled F50, both sides say they haven't got a clue where it's being stored.
 
lol @ FBI

Cue Judge Dredd: I AM THE LAWWWWWW

I love how the gumbyment thinks it is somehow beyond reproach and liability.

If the insurance company has paid out a claim on the vehicle, and the vehicle is recovered, the vehicle becomes the property of the insurer. At no point did the FBI have a financial interest in this vehicle. Keep it in custody for investigation - sure... but that doesn't mean its yours to crash.

I bet the clowns responsible still have a job too!
 
That just amazes me how 3 dealers handed over the keys & he was gone for the next 5+ years, without even the slightest idea of who he really was.

Have to be a next to impossible task now-a-days.
 
BRB TEST DRIVE

In Mexico's Ferrari Dealerships, I heard you have to surrender your ID, leave copies of your driver's license and deposit around USD 2K (to be returned later of course) if you even want to test drive the things.
 
This is going to be a mega bump, but. this thread is now famous.

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Next, Baker bilked a Long Island dealer out of a 1985 Ferrari Testarossa. His pièce de résistance, though, was the F50. Baker, without his driver's license, waltzed into Algar Ferrari/Maserati in Philadelphia, claiming he was the CEO of a California tech firm. He said he had flown in from Atlanta to look at the F50, and was ready to make a down payment after a test drive.

When the dealership handed over the keys, Baker took off, accelerating Ferrari F50 No. 29 to 100 miles per hour before cresting a hill and disappearing. The next time anyone saw the car was in 2008, when FBI agents seized it from the Kentucky emergency room doctor Baker had sold it to. The doctor, who had reported the car stolen after checking the VIN against Ferrari's records, lost both the car and the $375,000 he had paid Baker for it.

That's where the story takes an odd turn. Baker, the brazen and apparently heartless con man, gave the F50 buyer his money back, in an apparent attempt to cover his tracks. Through the whole ordeal, Baker appeared to keep his cool.

With the car in hand, the feds arrested Baker, the insurance company was notified that the car had been found and the F50 was put into storage. Prior to Baker's sentencing, two FBI agents, allegedly moving the car from one storage facility to another, ran the car into a tree, totaling it. Now, Motors Insurance Group wants the feds to pony up the money they paid Algar for the car back in 2003. They'd also like to know exactly what the two agents were doing driving the car.

The Department of Justice, however, won't budge. They say that since the Ferrari was being detained by the FBI for an investigation, the money isn't their problem. As it stands, the matter remains to be untangled in court. As for the whereabouts of the mangled F50, both sides say they haven't got a clue where it's being stored.
Found the Dr.'s point of view.
Back in 2003, I attended a party thrown by my wife's colleagues from her residency training program (she's a radiologist). During that party, one of her colleagues introduced me to her husband, an airline pilot, and we quickly hit it off due to a mutual passion for cars. I asked him what he had and he mentioned a testarossa and an F50. Needless to say, this got my attention and I thought maybe I misheard, and asked again to which he replied "yeah, its parked outside, you want to see it ?"

So, about 10 minutes after meeting this fellow, I am out riding in his F50 thinking this is wonderful ! The car was plated in KY, current tags, and of course being driven openly. I asked him where he obtained it and he told me it was from an old guy out west who tracked it and he bought it from him "at a good price" since he was getting old.

Over the subsequent years, I saw the F50 out and about, met the owner and his wife several times at local concours and shows, and jokingly asked them for first right of refusal should he ever decide to sell it. Fast forward to 2008, and the couple was in the middle of a divorce. The owner comes to me and says he might have an interest in selling the car if I was interested. Well, of course I was !

A deal was struck, monies and title exchanged (title was clear and current, clean carfax...I know, worthless ! and the car needed a major and fuel tank so I negotiated a price that took into account at least 30-50k worth of anticipated work.) Admittedly, I did not do enough due diligence at this point. The car was being driven openly, current plates, and it was with someone who "I knew". I could never have dreamed the saga about to unfold.

Several weeks later, I contacted Ferrari Spa via their website with the cars details in order to register myself as the new owner as I had done with the other ferraris. I knew something was up when they asked me to fax a copy of the title to them. I found the engine number on the car and sent them a photo...and to my utter dismay, they confirmed that this was the engine number on the car stolen from Algar Ferrari.

I cannot tell you how that moment felt...utter disbelief, shock...a knee bending moment that left me stunned. I knew I had let my guard down and done a deal in a way that I never had before...and it stood to cost me several hundred thousand dollars. I contacted the local police and FBI, and they arrived the next day. I showed them the material gathered in the conversation with Ferrari Spa and Ferrari NA, and they obviously knew what they were looking at. The car was taken after that meeting and it was a sinking feeling to see it being driven away on a flatbed.

I later found out how he obtained a clear title and license plate. Well, he had a friend in the nicholasville KY DMV. He was advised to write a letter to the state capitol (I was shown this letter by the FBI). It said that this car was imported to be sold and that the original buyer never took possession. The MSO was lost, and the writer was asking the DMV in Frankfort to issue a title...sworn affidavit etc...and THATS ALL IT TOOK ! I was shocked at how easy in was to be honest. He obviously had helped duplicating the VIN plate, and the result was a legally titled and clear plate that he renewed each year. Oh, and the stated value on the original title paperwork was $22,500 :) :)

Now, after collecting myself, I had the task of getting my money back. How you may ask ? Well, it turns out that a criminal's greed for money is only exceeded by the desire to remain out of jail and free. I calmly called the seller on a sunday night and proceeded to explain that there was an "irregularity with the VIN and engine number" and that I needed to reverse the deal. The first words out of his mouth were "Do the police know, we can reverse this deal tomorrow" At that point I knew my only chance of getting the money back was to tap into his desire to get the car back and get rid of it. The next day, 80% of the purchase price was wired back into my account. I told him the car was not at my residence (did not want a criminal trying to reclaim it in the middle of the night)....and technically it wasn't :) :)

The next two weeks, I methodically called and waited for increments of the remaining 20% to come in. In the meantime, police had discovered that the other two Ferraris in his possession were also stolen. Luckily for me, as the investigation continued they did not move in to arrest him and that gave me some time. I have to say the Lexington PD and the FBI were brilliant to work with, absolutely first class and clearly understanding that we had been duped by supposed "friends". They were elated when the first wire hit and subsequent wires arrived for the full amount. They sent Algar Ferrari a picture of this guy, and the salesman that fateful day it was heisted confirmed it was person. He had presented impeccable ID and a credit check revealed stellar credit. That to me is unbelievable...I could never have imagined this fellow being capable of that...something so brazen...I just didn't see it in him. But I suppose the desire to be something you are not just overwhelmed him. The other cars were identified as stolen from Long Island (testarossa and 328 GTS). I had seen all three cars at a hangar in Lexington Airport where he stored them...in retrospect one of the safest places to stash something stolen since it is so secure.

Anyway, shortly after I received the last wire, the police moved in and arrested him. He was convicted in Federal Court in Lexington for grand theft and I believe served 2 yrs before release and has several years of probation ahead. He made a full confession and this was likely a factor in what I consider a fairly weak sentence.

The sad part of this is what happened to the F50 in FBI hands. The car was being shifted from one location to another and the roads were greasy from a light rainfall. Where the accident happened is a small industrial road but it is at a crest. I think it came over the crest a little hot and the back end got wiggly on the wet surface. He went over a curb, took out the rear wheel and suspension and planted the side of the car firmly around a tree. Unfortunately, this caused terminal damage to the tub. Its sad, because I was in discussions with Algar and the insurance company to buy it back. The terms of Algars insurance policy gave them first right of refusal to buy it back. Once the car had crashed, they sent technicians over to take a look at it...their inspection lasted 5 mins at which point they declared it a total loss.

The latest in this saga is the now publicized dispute between the insurance co and the government/FBI. Sadly, the car sits gathering dust in a warehouse somewhere...a pitiful end to an infamous car that was much loved in its short stay with us. Someday, maybe I'll pursue another F50....but I have to say this whole episode has dampened my zeal for them a bit .


Much simpler than that, it was driven to a secluded spot and loaded onto a waiting enclosed truck. Went to Lexington KY after that and a few months later was sporting KY tags and a clean title. I was told by the FBI that this is a rare instance of single purpose theft, ie steal for your own subsequent use. Most of the time high dollar cars like this are stolen by pros, immediately parted or loaded onto a waiting overseas container.

What I'm baffled by, is the fact that he had to know that at some point the identity would be betrayed by the VIN. For example, when I would have had it serviced via a dealer, the falsification would have come to light. Even after the sale, the guy made no attempt to leave town with the money (the only thing he did was hide it in a girlfriends account). I figured he would have been long gone. He had mentioned the desire to fly overseas in the middle east, but I guess he didn't have time to do it prior to my discovery of the car's true identity.

The FBI also interviewed his ex wife. They cleared her quite quickly as the crook had the cars before he met her. Needless to say, she was stunned.
 
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