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Message: [QUOTE="Keef, post: 13456918, member: 79279"] I was referring to time periods relevant to the "old timers" that Mclaren was referring to. I don't think Ferrari was all that financially stable until the mid-2000s after the 360 basically saved the company and that time period is definitely after anything that "old timers" reminisce over. Before the 360 era, Ferrari did what Ferrari wanted and besides F1 it wasn't particularly good at any of it. Ferrari sold cars on "passion" back then and passion is not very reliable. The cost of Ferrari profitability since the 2000s is that the cars are actually good but the passion if virtually gone. I think the 360 era was definitely the transition from "older timer" Ferrari to actually good/reliable/financially stable Ferrari. Oddly enough the 360 is probably genuinely the best car Ferrari has ever produced. [/QUOTE]