Ferrari F2012 launch

[HKS racer]

I thought that has been on McLaren cars since 2010?

Wrong. that design end below the suspensions, the actual desgin go way beyond that. Watch the photo again.

The doubt is if it's legal all that CONTINUOUS carbon fiber part from the start of the nose till middle chassis. If yes other team will do the same.

Consideration is just a consideration. It is banned when it is confirmed to be against the regulations which I hope McLaren's design is a pass.

I don't think it's an easy task for all other teams to change their design because that involves a whole lot of work, like a full re-work to the front. McLaren even have to bring the front wheels a little further back to make the slope.

And responding from the other thread (here to avoid off topic). Other teams don't need to exactly match what Mclaren is doing. For instance Ferrari can connect the black carbon fiber part with the red front nose supports, creating a continuous design.

 

[Bom15]

Which was immediately banned before it was raced.

Yep. They were used during Thursdays practice at Monaco. Arrows still did relatively well if i remember correct. Jordan had an extra wing to. Also banned before the race. I miss both of them teams.

 

[Prince.M5]

Wrong. that design end below the suspensions, the actual desgin go way beyond that. Watch the photo again.

The doubt is if it's legal all that CONTINUOUS carbon fiber part from the start of the nose till middle chassis. If yes other team will do the same.

You mean, the bit that goes a little further behind the suspension?

There's no detailed picture of it but as far as I know it acts like a flap to direct the air to the bottom of the car. Until we somehow see a picture of the bottom of it, we can make some assumption. I think we should wait until Charlie made a decision on that. If other teams want to copy it, might need some work because McLaren's design flows together with the plough thing under the nose. If in case Ferrari want to copy that, they need to come up with something...

And responding from the other thread (here to avoid off topic). Other teams don't need to exactly match what Mclaren is doing. For instance Ferrari can connect the black carbon fiber part with the red front nose supports, creating a continuous design.

I think it can be done but I'm not sure... I think I'll leave this to Ferrari and let them decide what's better for them.

 

[Seismica]

Wrong. that design end below the suspensions, the actual desgin go way beyond that. Watch the photo again.

The doubt is if it's legal all that CONTINUOUS carbon fiber part from the start of the nose till middle chassis. If yes other team will do the same.

You mean the bit of carbon fibre that is in two pieces? There is a seam where the bulkhead/suspension is.

The rules restrict any bodywork from being within the two yellow boxes. There are two areas with a defined minimum height and cross sectional area. The bodywork inbetween that though can be whatever they please providing it doesn't break any of the other rules and passes the crash tests. The chassis behind the suspension is arc shaped which gives them more room within that 'box' to put other bodywork. I seriously doubt it breaches the regulations in terms of the location and dimensions of the extra bodywork; I think it is legal from that perspective, although it's one of those loopholes that needs to be clarified as the writers of the regulations simply didn't think of it.

 

[F1 fan]

Yep. They were used during Thursdays practice at Monaco. Arrows still did relatively well if i remember correct. Jordan had an extra wing to. Also banned before the race. I miss both of them teams.

Well Jordan is still technically around in the guise of Force India. Still a lot of guys left from the Jordan days. At least Vijay was able to restore the faltering team. Arrows is a different sad story. They always had interesting liveries too.

 

[jcm]

You mean the bit of carbon fibre that is in two pieces? There is a seam where the bulkhead/suspension is.

The rules restrict any bodywork from being within the two yellow boxes. There are two areas with a defined minimum height and cross sectional area. The bodywork inbetween that though can be whatever they please providing it doesn't break any of the other rules and passes the crash tests. The chassis behind the suspension is arc shaped which gives them more room within that 'box' to put other bodywork. I seriously doubt it breaches the regulations in terms of the location and dimensions of the extra bodywork; I think it is legal from that perspective, although it's one of those loopholes that needs to be clarified as the writers of the regulations simply didn't think of it.

Nice picture. 👍

 

[Ardius]

So you try to adress it posting some random F1 photos from previous years that aren't using actual McLaren solution?

As you can se there is a huge carbon fiber structure that start from the nose supports, and go well under the chassis, a solution that have nothing to do with the random photos you posted above.

I didn't post random photos, these photos demonstrate various aerodynamic devices placed under the nose - which clearly shows that this area is quite an open area of design for the cars as we have seen quite an array of different designs.
And the 2010 McLaren has a similar (but not identical) design to the 2012 car.

It would be reasonable to assume that the 2012 design is legal as clearly McLaren have experimented the past 2 years with this and there have been a variety of different designs applied in this area over the years which suggests a fairly loose regulation.

As you say, I'm not an expert and it could well be completely illegal.

 

[HKS racer]

You mean the bit of carbon fibre that is in two pieces? There is a seam where the bulkhead/suspension is.

The rules restrict any bodywork from being within the two yellow boxes. There are two areas with a defined minimum height and cross sectional area. The bodywork inbetween that though can be whatever they please providing it doesn't break any of the other rules and passes the crash tests. The chassis behind the suspension is arc shaped which gives them more room within that 'box' to put other bodywork. I seriously doubt it breaches the regulations in terms of the location and dimensions of the extra bodywork; I think it is legal from that perspective, although it's one of those loopholes that needs to be clarified as the writers of the regulations simply didn't think of it.

Nope, not that yellow zone under the chassis, at least not the first part. Look at this picture. You can clearly see even Ferrari is in your yellow zone with a black carbon wing(and probably every other F1). If your interpretation is correct you would hear ALL the teams having illegal carbon parts under the chassis, which is highly unlikely. So what Fia need to explain is if teams are allowed to install all that continuous carbon fiber, like McLaren is doing, which is no longer an additional wing. That thing instead has become a sort of second structure installed under the chassis, that's the difference. I hope you understand now.

If they'll consider it legal that's ok, they just need to clarify it.

 

[Seismica]

If they'll consider it legal that's ok, they just need to clarify it.

Pretty much my thoughts; I just think that it is legal; it isn't continuous as there is a separation where the nose meets the chassis, so the rear part of it is actually attached to the chassis not the front wing supports. From that point of view you could say it's some sort of winglet/fin of the sort that was banned in 2008.

 

[Joie de vivre!]

now we know

 

[sumbrownkid]

now we know

I think my vomit will also vomit if I saw that pop out under the wrap.

 

[niky]

With future fuel economy restrictions, that might actually be a race winner...

 

[RX-7_FD3S]

I think my vomit will also vomit if I saw that pop out under the wrap.

That car may be ugly, but once you're inside it's quite crazy the space you have. And everyone watching you, you kinda feel like you're in a ferrari until you notice the face the people are doing

 

[Hun200kmh]

LOL, I came in this thread through the top of this page and left again thinking I clicked the Mclaren one by mistake

Anyway, here an interesting pic, clearly showing the "periscope". I wonder what's the purpose of that thing ... just an oversized antenna for better communications with the pit or is it indeed measuring anything? If it is ... what? Airflow high above the car ?????

EDIT - click to enlarge the pic. it's a HUGE one and allows a better viewing of said "periscope"

 

[JJ72]

a pitot tube for testing basically.

 

[eSZee]

Is there some engineer here ?

I wonder how that kind of nose could be better aerodynamicaly speaking than the one seen on the Mclaren ? Doesnt really makes sens to me, anyone care to explain ?

McLaren's nose was already much lower last year. They didn't have to lower the nose as much as everyone else. That's why it looks normal.

 

[Ardius]

LOL, I came in this thread through the top of this page and left again thinking I clicked the Mclaren one by mistake

Anyway, here an interesting pic, clearly showing the "periscope". I wonder what's the purpose of that thing ... just an oversized antenna for better communications with the pit or is it indeed measuring anything? If it is ... what? Airflow high above the car ?????

Its used to measure the air speed to then calibrate the smaller pitot tube located on the nose.
As the one on the nose is affected by the air around the front wing, they use the one placed higher on the chassis to get a more accurate reading to calibrate from.

Its appeared on the cars repeatedly the past few years in testing. There are plenty of other bizarre-looking antenna which appear in testing - all for similar reasons.

 

[chromatic9]

 

[Horde_R35]

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[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Alonso drove that car in the early 00s not 90s.

Off topic but what the hell is he talking about for GT300 with the whole moon craft bit, what car is it that was ban?

 

[F1 fan]

Not sure how credible their sources are, but it looks like Ferrari may have a new car for Bahrain.

 

[GTPorsche]

I was half awake when I was watching FP2 last night, but something was definitely mentioned about a team getting a new chassis homologated before Bahrain.

 

[Bye Ya]

I was half awake when I was watching FP2 last night, but something was definitely mentioned about a team getting a new chassis homologated before Bahrain.

I heard that as well.