Ferrari F40 turbo lag and weight ?

[NoRo]

Hello everyone, I was recently wondering about the turbo lag in the F40. Does the real one really have the same enormous lag ? In most reviews people get crazy about the F40, its performance and response. Honestly I don't feel the magic of this Ferrari :/ Next thing is the weight of the F40, in the game the car weights about 1200kg, the real specs tells different; 1100kg. Maybe there was a few versions of the F40 ? Thanks for your help.

 

[dark_ruffo]

The american version of the F40 was added some kg to meet I don't know what american regulations, hence the weight went up to 1200+. In GT5 Prologue F40 was a mixbag of specs. The american weight, the 87 (I think, yet it was listed as a 92 model) side window, the normal chasis without american black rubber "aerodinamics".

I guess they didn't get the car right this time as well.

 

[G.T.Ace]

The turbo lag is pretty realistic for a supercar from this time, not quite sure how it was in the real one though.

 

[Parker]

Hello everyone, I was recently wondering about the turbo lag in the F40. Does the real one really have the same enormous lag ? In most reviews people get crazy about the F40, its performance and response. Honestly I don't feel the magic of this Ferrari :/ Next thing is the weight of the F40, in the game the car weights about 1200kg, the real specs tells different; 1100kg. Maybe there was a few versions of the F40 ? Thanks for your help.

To be fair, if you were actually driving a real F40, I think you'd be more inclined to ignore it's flaws. Sure there may be a little turbo lag, but when you can feel it kick you back in your seat, and hear the turbo's spool up, what are you going to mention in your review?

I'd still take an F40 over any Ferrari out there. This may be a little off topic, but this is one of my favorite F40 videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YPabCzxMXM

I don't know how to embed videos, sorry.

Parker

 

[dark_ruffo]

Just checked it. It's the same mixbag.

In GT5 it's the European 87 chassis, with the american specifications (1350Kg) listed as a 1992 model.

Take it to the tuning shop to shave the weight down to 1125 kg (1100kg being the real spec).

 

[transam1998]

Top Gear did a few episodes with the F-40 and Clarkston does mention the enourmous turbo lag, as one other poster has said, that was back in the day, turbo technology and engine technology, in general have made great strides since the F-40. Who would have thought, back in the late eighty early nineties, that we would see GM selling a Corvette Z06 for under $50k that could turn 11 second 1/4 miles right off the showroomm floor.

Also keep in mind, the F-40 can be deceptive, its topping 2nd gear out at 125mph, and 3rd around 165? Spending so much time in a gear will make the car seem lazy, but only because you don't feel it pressing you in the seat. :-)

The handling seems on par for supercars of the day, but cars have also improved greatly in that department as well.

Personally, I love the F40, and drive it online as well as off.

 

[Chronoslol]

The F40 is a fantastic, iconic and definitive car, but its also a turbo-lagged high geared piece of crap. This is the same in real life as in game.

 

[-=DV=-]

Hello everyone, I was recently wondering about the turbo lag in the F40. Does the real one really have the same enormous lag ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRwkukPOZxY&feature=related

56 sec - 1:21

There is your answer re: lag

Re: The quirky performance. You have to remember this thing was designed and built in 1987, Compare its performance to EVERYTHING else from the 80's. And you will quickly realise why this car is so commonly held up as the holy grail of ferraris and even supercars. Never in history has a production car been SO FAR out of the league of everything else being built or designed.

Not just my favourite ferrari. But my favourite car of all time.

 

[CivicInLake]

LOL that video sounds scary as ****! What an insane sounding car. I wish ANY car in the game sounded like that

 

[trk29]

To be fair, if you were actually driving a real F40, I think you'd be more inclined to ignore it's flaws. Sure there may be a little turbo lag, but when you can feel it kick you back in your seat, and hear the turbo's spool up, what are you going to mention in your review?

I'd still take an F40 over any Ferrari out there. This may be a little off topic, but this is one of my favorite F40 videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YPabCzxMXM

I don't know how to embed videos, sorry.

Parker

 

[smailer]

im F-40 huge fan. when i saw it in the used car showroom i had to buy it then i tune it and went to the nearest ferrari race and i was shocked that it was too slow compared to the california (tuned) then i was very dissapointed

 

[Hayden]

im F-40 huge fan. when i saw it in the used car showroom i had to buy it then i tune it and went to the nearest ferrari race and i was shocked that it was too slow compared to the california (tuned) then i was very dissapointed

Used Car showroom? There's a standard model of the F40?

 

[Jmac279]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRwkukPOZxY&feature=related

56 sec - 1:21

There is your answer re: lag

Re: The quirky performance. You have to remember this thing was designed and built in 1987, Compare its performance to EVERYTHING else from the 80's. And you will quickly realise why this car is so commonly held up as the holy grail of ferraris and even supercars. Never in history has a production car been SO FAR out of the league of everything else being built or designed.

Not just my favourite ferrari. But my favourite car of all time.

Porsche 959 says hi ...

 

[-=DV=-]

the 959 started its life as a group B racer, (strangely enough named the Gruppe B) then was later made into a road car ONLY because they were forced to in order to continue competing. The F40 on the other hand was build for the sole purpose of "Because we are italians and we want to celebrate!" the F40 is a true production car, made for the sake of making it, like the f50, enzo and fxx. The 959 exists only because they had sell it if they wanted to compete with it...its a race car. Kind of like comparing an R15 to a 458 if you will. To be noted, The F40 still outperformed the 959

 

[Chronoslol]

the 959 started its life as a group B racer, (strangely enough named the Gruppe B) then was later made into a road car ONLY because they were forced to in order to continue competing. The F40 on the other hand was build for the sole purpose of "Because we are italians and we want to celebrate!" the F40 is a true production car, made for the sake of making it, like the f50, enzo and fxx. The 959 exists only because they had sell it if they wanted to compete with it...its a race car. Kind of like comparing an R15 to a 458 if you will. To be noted, The F40 still outperformed the 959

Did you just imply the FXX isn't a race car?

 

[Jmac279]

the 959 started its life as a group B racer, (strangely enough named the Gruppe B) then was later made into a road car ONLY because they were forced to in order to continue competing. The F40 on the other hand was build for the sole purpose of "Because we are italians and we want to celebrate!" the F40 is a true production car, made for the sake of making it, like the f50, enzo and fxx. The 959 exists only because they had sell it if they wanted to compete with it...its a race car. Kind of like comparing an R15 to a 458 if you will. To be noted, The F40 still outperformed the 959

In a straight line, yes ... 959 won the Paris-Dakar Rally and a modified version won at Le Mans ...

F40 won ... ???

Ostensibly, the F40 was conceived as the successor to the 288 GTO and designed to compete with vehicles such as the Porsche 959 and Lamborghini Countach; for Ferrari management, the vehicle was a major statement piece. Over a period of several years prior to the F40's conception, the company's dominance in racing had waned significantly, and even in Formula One, an arena they had once dominated, victories had become sparse. Enzo Ferrari had recently turned 90 years old, and was keenly aware that time was not on his side. He wanted his new sports car to serve as his final statement-maker, a vehicle encompassing the best in track-developed technology and capable of being a showcase for what the Ferrari engineers were capable of creating. The company's upcoming 40th anniversary provided just the right occasion for the car to debut.

Bolded part is pretty much why Porsche made the 959, outside of the final part ...

Both are obviously amazing cars, showcasing the best technology available in the mid-80s. However, your statement of the F40 being so far ahead of its competition is simply untrue. Regardless of the reason why Porsche produced the 959, it was technologically superior to the F40. And 200 cars vs. 1300 cars, both are limited production ...

 

[mekonrider]

I once saw an F40 at a hillclimb and its owner shamed it into being slower than a tuned mini. I don't think the turbo ever kicked in!

 

[Ride]

In a straight line, yes ... 959 won the Paris-Dakar Rally and a modified version won at Le Mans ...

F40 won ... ???

Well, Ferrari left sportscar racing after 1973 to concentrate on F1 so the F40 was not raced with a full factory backing. Who knows how it would have fared otherwise? There were privateer teams that did run F40s in BPR during the mid to late 90s, but the car was rather outdated compared to the McLaren F1s and 911 GT1s it was running against. It would score a couple of wins and/or podiums but the car was clearly outclassed by more modern machinery no matter how hard its drivers pushed it.

 

[Egghead43]

...snip...
I'd still take an F40 over any Ferrari out there. This may be a little off topic, but this is one of my favorite F40 videos...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YPabCzxMXM

I don't know how to embed videos, sorry.

Parker

Just take the "0YPabCzxMXM" part and surround it by the YouTube tags like this:

Porsche 959 says hi ...

This thread reminds me of one of my favourite racing games:


The F40 is one of my all time favourite cars, but one must remember that it is 24 years old now! The nearly complete lack of turbo lag on my 2011 BMW 135i is something the F40 could only dream of. But at the same time, the 164hp/L the F40's engine kicks out is something my 135i could only dream of

 

[NoRo]

Great explanation guys, thx for help !

PS: I've already lightened the car to the 1125kg.

 

[papaspurs]

Ferrari were desperate for the car to be a 200mph machine like the 959, which is why it is geared so long.

 

[JBT]

The F40 is geared too long in GT5, as someone posted in the 'How do i make my F40 fast' thread. In GT5 it has a 2.90 final drive, which is one of the final drives that the F40LM had (thats the car that Jaqcues Laffite drove in the youtube vid posted by peobryant, the LM had another 150 horses or so!). The road F40 had a 3.90 final drive (the higher the final drive number, the shortler the overall gearing, which gives more acceleration at the expense of top speed).

Take the stock F40 down the chicaneless Mulsanne straight at Le Mans 05/09 and it'll do 195 or so in 4th, and no better in 5th, with about 1500/2000 rpm left. With the correct final drive, 5th gear will become usable and the double ton might be on the cards, along with much better acceleration! Time to buy the racing transmission... (is the race trans. a 6 speed or 5 for the F40? i've still got the stock gears on my F40 at the moment.)

The extra 250kg weight im not sure about, even the active dampers and catalytic converter added to the later models might not come to that much?

The cat (added in '92 i think) might account for the 20hp loss compared to the showroom quoted figure of 478BHP. I don't think Ferrari changed the quoted horsepower figure through the life of the car, so it might just be a PD error.

Regardless, the F40 is a legend anyway, along with the 959

 

[BaasTurbo]

The F40 is my favourite car of all time! It's just so... raw, and pure.

Some interesting stats:

F40 measurements compiled from magazine tests

and

F40 versus 959

Maybe the weight isn't that far off, seen as the highest measured curb weight by a European magazine was 1.329 kg back in the day. 1.100 kg may have been the dry weight, which is a bit useless in a simulator - where technically the weight of the driver should also be added, but let's not go there.

 

[-=DV=-]

Did you just imply the FXX isn't a race car?

That is exactly what I said. To my knowledge the FXX was NOT designed for any specific racing series or class, and was NOT engineered to comply with any specific race restrictions of any series. It is basically a rediculous track toy. Much like the zonda R and ariel atom.