FF Rally cars?

[chfb_]

What do you guys think about FF rally and snow cars in gt6?

 

[Thomas2012]

How many FF rally cars are in GT6? All I can think of is the Citroen which I haven't tried, I will buy one then report back
Also it says FT rally cars for the title unless that's on purpose

 

[DolHaus]

There are a few from the Japanese manufacturers, I'd guess they were from the rally championships that are open to young/inexperienced drivers.

The FF cars are ok but no match for their 4wd cousins, they just understeer too much on loose surfaces so you have to drive very cautiously all the time

 

[chfb_]

There are a few from the Japanese manufacturers, I'd guess they were from the rally championships that are open to young/inexperienced drivers.

The FF cars are ok but no match for their 4wd cousins, they just understeer too much on loose surfaces so you have to drive very cautiously all the time

You can tune so there's not understeer.. but I think FF cars are great rally cars because the front wheels are pulling you around the turn. I mean you can drift but..

 

[DolHaus]

You can tune so there's not understeer.. but I think FF cars are great rally cars because the front wheels are pulling you around the turn. I mean you can drift but..

You can tune some of the understeer out but because the front wheels are dealing with the full fury of the engine there isn't as much grip left for turning. Its the fundamental flaw of the FF drivetrain unfortunately, 4wd's suffer the same problem with reduced lateral grip but the effect is lessened greatly by spreading power deliver across 4 wheels rather than 2.

 

[chfb_]

You can tune some of the understeer out but because the front wheels are dealing with the full fury of the engine there isn't as much grip left for turning. Its the fundamental flaw of the FF drivetrain unfortunately, 4wd's suffer the same problem with reduced lateral grip but the effect is lessened greatly by spreading power deliver across 4 wheels rather than 2.

I think there pretty much the same with pros and cons to be honest

 

[DolHaus]

I think there pretty much the same with pros and cons to be honest

Not even close I'm afraid, the other problem is weight transfer during acceleration. The amount of grip you get from a tyre is directly proportionate to the amount of weight you put upon it, when accelerating the weight transfers away from the front wheels and onto the rear, this means that in the case of a front wheel drive car the wheels with the least grip are doing the most work under acceleration. In a 4wd you are transferring weight onto driven wheels and this results in greater acceleration.
If you enjoy FF rally cars and feel comfortable driving them then please continue to do so, just don't expect to be lighting up the leader boards during rally seasonals. 4wd is just the more efficient way to go fast on loose surfaces, there is a reason why all successful WRC cars have used it since its introduction to the sport 👍

 

[Tornado]

The Xsara can be a very potent weapon in the right hands on the right track mix (meaning rallies that are at least mostly paved and absolutely no snow), just like it was in real life. I always had a ball flashing taillights at everyone behind me when using the thing online in GT5; but that is really just because it weighs 500 pounds less than most of the AWD equivalents with similar PP and fit my driving style much better than most of them to boot. Once the going gets loose, though, there really isn't any advantage to using anything but AWD. The grip benefits just can't be overcome, so I generally always switched to the Evo VI.

 

[Ridox2JZGTE]

Posted this on my garage, a replica that is fun to drive on gravel and snow Had a blast from way back in GT5 at Toscana

Suzuki SWIFT RS S1600
Super 1600 Junior Rally Championship 2006-2007
WRC Rally Car + Gymkhana Replica
Comfort Soft to Racing Hard / Dirt / Snow

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CAR : Suzuki SWIFT Sport '07
Tire : Comfort Soft to Racing Hard / Dirt / Snow

Specs
Horsepower: 215 HP or 218 PS at 8000 RPM
Torque: 168.3 ft-lb at 6000 RPM
Power Limiter at : 99.9%
Weight: 1000 kg - no driver/crew and fuel
Ballast : 114 kg
Ballast Position : -45
Weight Distribution : 63 / 37
Performance Points: 427


GT AUTO
Oil change
Improve Body Rigidity ( NOT INSTALLED in this build ) - OPTIONAL -
Aero Kits Type B
Custom Wing Type A or B
Wheels : Standard Size or +1 or +2 Inch Up OZ Racing Ultraleggera or GT-Ab12 in White
Brake Caliper Paint : Red or Yellow
Car Paint : Champion Yellow 4
Gauges :
Slot 1 : Oil Pressure in Black
Slot 2 : Oil Temp in Black ( C or F )
Slot 3 : Water Temp in Black ( C or F )
Color : Red, Green or Orange ( Saturation 100, Brightness 100 )



Tuning Parts Installed :
Engine Tuning Stage 3
Sports Computer
Racing Exhaust
Catalytic Converter Sports
Suspension Fully Customizable Kit
Fully Customizable Dog Clutch Transmission
Adjustable LSD
Twin Plate Clutch Kit
Racing Brakes Kit - Optional
Weight Reduction Stage 3
Carbon Hood ( Body Color )
Window Weight Reduction

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Suspension - TEIN HG Custom Rally Coilover Kit
Base Camber
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 116 108
Spring Rate: 3.00 3.20
Dampers (Compression): 5 8
Dampers (Extension): 10 4
Anti-Roll Bars: 7 1
Camber Angle: 1.2 2.5
Toe Angle: -0.08 -0.40 ( Higher rear toe out : -0.60 )

Suspension - TEIN HG Custom Rally Coilover Kit
Low Camber
Front, Rear

Ride Height: 116 108
Spring Rate: 3.00 3.20
Dampers (Compression): 5 8
Dampers (Extension): 10 4
Anti-Roll Bars: 7 1
Camber Angle: 0.3 1.0
Toe Angle: -0.08 -0.40 ( Higher rear toe out : -0.60 )




DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - 5 Speed Sequential Swift Custom Ratio 1st Set
Low to Medium Speed
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Auto Max Speed at 190kmh / 118mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.440
2nd 2.330
3rd 1.760
4th 1.440
5th 1.200
Set Final : 4.105 ( OPTIONAL Final for lower or higher top speed : 3.400, 3.700, 3.900, 4.400, 4.700, 4.900 )

DOG CLUTCH TRANSMISSION - 5 Speed Sequential Swift Custom Ratio 2nd Set
Medium-High Speed
Install all power parts
Set Default
Set Auto Max Speed at 210kmh / 130mph
Adjust each gear :
1st 3.076
2nd 2.056
3rd 1.546
4th 1.240
5th 1.030
Set Final : 4.105 ( OPTIONAL Final for lower or higher top speed : 3.400, 3.700, 3.900, 4.400, 4.700, 4.900 )


LSD 1 Way
Initial Torque : 18
Acceleration Sensitivity: 30 or optional lower lock 24
Braking Sensitivity: 5


Aero
Rear : 5 ( MIN )

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Brake Balance:
7/10 ( personal BB) or for ABS 0 wheel : 4/6, for ABS 1 - feel free to use your preferred brake balance. For Racing Brakes : 3/6


Recommended setting for DS3 user :

Steering sensitivity at +1 or +2, all aids off, except ABS 1 ( if not comfortable with ABS 0 ) with 7/10 brake balance as starting point.


Notes :


One of the old replica build from way back in GT5 This replica can be used on tarmac, gravel and snow.
The Suzuki Swift RS S1600 ( Super 1600 ) Rally car competed in 2006-1007 in Junior Rally Championship, winning several rally

Power official figure 218PS with 1000kg empty weight. The real car has 6 speed sequential box, this is not possible as GT6 only allows 5 speed custom. I have opted to adapt real life rally car ratios from actual after market gear ratio kit sold for Swift. The are 2 options of sets, one for low speed tracks and the other for high speed track.

Suspension comes from Tein HG Custom Built Coilover Kit, spring rate based on lower range rate for gravel and snow. The damper and ARB has been tuned for ease of turning and maintaining slides. Toe out at the rear has been implemented, much like real life, some FF rally car driver prefer 3 - 5 mm toe on each side / wheel rim for controlled slides easier on lower speed at expense of more demanding high speed corner control.

LSD is tuned for optimum traction on gravel with medium preload. For more looser handling on tarmac, use lower acceleration lock at 24

Tuned and tested at Tsukuba, Toscana and other tracks. Driven at Toscana with dirt tires, it easily lap in 2:00.3xx range. At Tsukuba on Comfort Soft, capable of 1:06s.




It's low in power but still quite quick Feel free to add power ( high rpm turbo ) and see if it still can be tamed