First timer with a GT3 RS V2

[Pootenheimer]

So I hooked up the wheel yesterday. It's my first wheel of any kind (outside of arcades), I'm using it pretty much purely for GT5. As many people have noted, the difference between controller and wheel is huge - I feel like I'm almost starting over.

Even in the first day I've learned a ton. I'm starting to learn how to feel out the pedals for brake and gas gradually instead of the on/off approach from the Sixaxis (pedals are CSPs). A few things I'm trying to feel out and it's relentlessly frustrating and incredibly fun at the same time.

Lately I'm been debating on whether or not to leave the GT5 ABS on 1 or off completely, not sure how much that affects things. I've turned down the wheel's FF to 60 (100 is a lot stronger than I expected, awesome) and notched the wheel ABS to 70. I did get the H-shifter hooked up and learned how to use it, but it's still going to be a little bit (I'm spoiled by my car's stick) before I'm used to it. I've decided to go purely paddle shifting until I'm used to actually driving with the wheel.

All that said, lately I've been trying to get used to driving a stock '07 S2000 through time trials, and it's a gradual process. One question I did have - what's the best way to handle a fishtail? I'm still trying to feel out when it starts, but lately it seems like I don't notice until it's too late and I'm in the wall. Should the countersteering be mild or heavy (wheel SEn set to 900)? Go with the FF or more against it? Just trying to learn, it's a ton of stuff to absorb, and I'm loving every minute of it. 👍

 

[MoparMike]

To correct an over steer let off the accelerator and turn the wheel into the direction of the skid. If you are turning right and begin to spin around you want to turn the wheel to the left. The amount that you should let off of the accelerator varies with different cars so that's just a matter of practice.

 

[Pootenheimer]

Mike, I've heard that's how you're supposed to handle skids, with the counter-steer. My question is how much should be applied, if it should be gently or if you should turn heavily. I've been applying the counter-steer in the right direction, but it seems to just allow my skid to go a little extra, then I wipe out. Perhaps I should let off the throttle more, as well - I just don't know if the "standard" is to immediately jerk the wheel into the proper direction or if it's to ease into it.

 

[Jay]

Mike, I've heard that's how you're supposed to handle skids, with the counter-steer. My question is how much should be applied, if it should be gently or if you should turn heavily. I've been applying the counter-steer in the right direction, but it seems to just allow my skid to go a little extra, then I wipe out. Perhaps I should let off the throttle more, as well - I just don't know if the "standard" is to immediately jerk the wheel into the proper direction or if it's to ease into it.

That all depends on the type of oversteer it is, if it is a gradual power oversteer then the counter wheel be slow and to rectify you ease off some throttle.

If the oversteer is a snap then quick counter is required and often quick lift of throttle is needed and it also depends on how much risk you're willing to take. On a time trial you will want to take a lot because you don't want to lose time but on a race which is more than just a sprint you will be more careful to get the car stable again as a spin would bin it for you.

Counter steer is really used to keep the front of the car tracking in the direction or the turn like it would if the car wasn't sliding/slipping. A mistake some make is excessive counter steer which leads to a snap in the opposite direction when the rear recovers.
Just couter steer enough for the front wheels to follow the road and the oversteer then is mostly controlled with the throttle (more throttle = more slip). You can counter further than just tracking the direction of the road, this will bring the rear back in check faster when you release throttle and could save time however you must sure you return the counter to track the road before it snaps violently in the opposite direction.

Sometimes the snap is quite minor and just a quick dab of counter steer is required without any lift in throttle, you see this quite often in most forms of racing when watching on board footage. It just takes practice, don't think about the counter steer too much as it mostly just comes natural, especially with practice.

 

[Pootenheimer]

Counter steer is really used to keep the front of the car tracking in the direction or the turn like it would if the car wasn't sliding/slipping. A mistake some make is excessive counter steer which leads to a snap in the opposite direction when the rear recovers.
Just couter steer enough for the front wheels to follow the road and the oversteer then is mostly controlled with the throttle (more throttle = more slip). You can counter further than just tracking the direction of the road, this will bring the rear back in check faster when you release throttle and could save time however you must sure you return the counter to track the road before it snaps violently in the opposite direction.

Sometimes the snap is quite minor and just a quick dab of counter steer is required without any lift in throttle, you see this quite often in most forms of racing when watching on board footage. It just takes practice, don't think about the counter steer too much as it mostly just comes natural, especially with practice.

Thanks, that's exactly what I was trying to figure out. 👍 I think I'll have to learn how to control sliding in each car uniquely - I played a bit with some license tests earlier today with cars that are much calmer than the ones I was having trouble with and was able to easily control a slide through a turn. It was awesome to be able to do it, as previously on the gamepad the only way I could do that was by popping the handbrake to lose traction and then gassing it (with little pokes at the gas, bit by bit). Having a pedal I can ease into for gas makes it easier to an enormous degree. Turn in hard, slam the gas to lose traction, then let up to keep the slide going in a controlled manner. I suspect it can be done (maybe not exactly the same way) with the FR monsters (Yellow Bird, some of the Ferraris), but I'm still a ways away from getting there.

Thanks for the tips!

 

[Jay]

No worries

Having a pedal I can ease into for gas makes it easier to an enormous degree. Turn in hard, slam the gas to lose traction, then let up to keep the slide going in a controlled manner. I suspect it can be done (maybe not exactly the same way) with the FR monsters (Yellow Bird, some of the Ferraris), but I'm still a ways away from getting there.

Oh yeah it can be done, and you'll get there with more practice.

Remember counter steer is mostly used to direction the car where you want (follow the road or whatever) and the throttle does most of the slip angle control. Saying that You do need to constantly adjust you're counter steer as your slip angle changes (angle changes mostly from throttle or road conditions), often you need to counter the opposite way if the car swings back violently and slips the opposite direction and sometimes that requires quick wheel movement. It gets easy after a lot of practice when you start predicting the cars oversteer behavour and your subconscious automatically counter steers much like you shift gears in a manual without even thinking about it.

Good luck