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Mar.20 (GMM) A new row about the legality of formula one cars could be about to break out in the pit lane of 2007.

The website of American broadcaster Speed TV reports that the under-body of
Ferrari's dominant F2007 machine came under quiet scrutiny by rivals and the FIA in Australia.

It is suggested that the car's floor might have been designed to give a performance advantage by moving, which - as in the 'flexing wings' sagas of last year - is illegal.

Predictably, the leading antagonist of the new saga appears to be
McLaren, who reportedly suspect that Ferrari's floor lowers at speed to give Kimi Raikkonen and Felipe Massa an unfair speed boost in a straight line.

"We will see how things are in two or three races,"
McLaren principal Ron Dennis said, explaining that rival teams often seek clarification about rule interpretations early in the season.

He added: "So it takes a race or two to know what is or isn't permitted."

A
Ferrari spokesman commented: "It's part of the game any time Ferrari is quickest. It's not the first time that there have been questions about legality.

"If someone has a complaint, there is always the FIA."


Written: Tue, 20 Mar 2007 10:32:40



How true is this? does Ferrari have Felxi floors? and how would the be able to tell ?
 
A Ferrari spokesman commented: "It's part of the game any time Ferrari is quickest. It's not the first time that there have been questions about legality."

When Renault was the quickest last year, Ferrari was complaining about its front winglets... what's their point?
 
If Ferrari could desgin a Flexi floor then that would be a genius idea.

EDIT: Now BMW Sauber is also accused of having a flexi floor
 
There is a suggestion that the floor of the Ferrari is mounted on springs. It's an issue that will run and run. This sort of thing happens every year. Half the battle is coming up with the best innovations for your car, and half the battle is getting everyone else's trick stuff banned. It's F1...
 
However, flexi floors is a moving aerodynamic device, which are banned..

Did they really think they could get away with it?
 
However, flexi floors is a moving aerodynamic device, which are banned..

Did they really think they could get away with it?

Brabham put a fan at the back of their cars in the '80s and called it a "cooling fan." and nearly got away with it, if it hadn't thrown rocks at following drivers.

Smokey Yunick....the 7/8ths scale Chevelle, Nitrous Oxide...

To tell the truth, no-one wants to break the rules. you get penalized. heavily, in F1's case. so, you work on the gray area. It's just a matter of where the gray spot is. Sometimes, you don't know, so you take the risk. Best case scenrio, you get away with it until someone notices and (a) it becomes widely accepted, or, (b) It becomes legislated out of competition.

and with F1, it is literally Legislated.
 
Could someone (Scaff, anyone?) explain how exactly a flexi-floor is superior? I'm interested in the physics concept behind it...
 
Floor lowers at speed, less air goes under car, less drag is created, car goes faster in a straight line.
 
If you set the car up so that it's too low you'll end up bottoming out all over the place, which can be incredibly dangerous in high speed turns. Remember what happened to Senna? :indiff:
 
There is a suggestion that the floor of the Ferrari is mounted on springs. It's an issue that will run and run. This sort of thing happens every year. Half the battle is coming up with the best innovations for your car, and half the battle is getting everyone else's trick stuff banned. It's F1...
Spyker have taken Red Bull, Toro Rosso, Honda and Super Aguri to trial for allegedly having customer cars.
 
Makes sense.. But why not simply lower the car at all times?

The cars have a plank, down the centre of the floor. This is some distance below the floor itself. It is the limiting factor in determining ride height, because only so many mm of wear is allowed on the plank.

So, if the edges of the floor (the parts that aren’t supported by the plank) start to flex downwards, you get a lower floor without the plank (ride height) being any lower. Lower floor = more aero at speed. Somewhat like the old skirts.
 
Thanks for the explanation, Blake, and a +rep heading your way.

So basically, the plank is a way to enforce a minimum rideheight, and a flexible floor simply moves the other parts of the floor lower, achieving the same effect as an overall lower car?
 
I took this pic at the F1 test in Bahrain :)

F1BahrainTest063.jpg


maybe this could help balck expline better , and to let other guys see what and F1 car floor looks like , and if this isn't the car floor then I'm just dumb lol
 
Am I the only one not surprised that as soon as the season starts Ferrari are yet again thrown into the controversy ring and doing silly things like this...yet they still try make out to be victims...
 
So basically, the plank is a way to enforce a minimum rideheight
Yes, the plank was created for that reason. A fully flat-bottomed car was required for all F1 cars starting in 1983, since sliding (and fixed) skirts were eliminated at the end of 1982, to slow down cornering speeds, and fully enforce the 6cm ride-height rule. Teams were experimenting with cars that lowered as they left the pits, especially just after scrutineering.

The plank came about in mid-1994, which raised the height of an F1 car's side pods and wings to 10cm. Again, this was to reduce cornering speeds. Cars still have to flat along the plank's sides and the plank as to be fully flat. There's also a limit to how much of the plank can "naturally" wear away during a race (I forget the amount), to prevent teams from creating the fuly-flat bottom and getting back a lower ride height.

Benetton got caught doing this at the 1994 Belgian GP, and Michael Schumacher was disqualified from his victory. There was a dispute over this, since he'd spun midway during the race, and ran over a long kerb, which the team argued had abraded the plank, which was the cause of the too-thin plank. I think it remains the last time in F1 a driver lost his win due to disqualification.

...a flexible floor simply moves the other parts of the floor lower, achieving the same effect as an overall lower car?
Exactly, and a ban on movable aerodynamic devices has been in place for many years now, which extendes to flexing front wings of the Ferrari (a slight bit of "deflection" is allowed, to prevent shattering due to normal use), the mass damper of last year's Renault R26, the never-fully-raced Lotus 81 (the whole car moved as two chassis), and the attempt by Ferrari to create a rear wing that could be modified by the driver...in 1968!
 
Benetton got caught doing this at the 1994 Belgian GP, and Michael Schumacher was disqualified from his victory. There was a dispute over this, since he'd spun midway during the race, and ran over a long kerb, which the team argued had abraded the plank, which was the cause of the too-thin plank. I think it remains the last time in F1 a driver lost his win due to disqualification.

Ralf Schumacher in Montreal 2004.
 
Just a snippet from the 2006 technical regulations (I really need to download the 2007 regs :indiff: ):

3.13.1 …This skid block may consist of more than one piece but must … be made from an homogeneous material with a specific gravity between 1.3 and 1.45.
 
Exactly, and a ban on movable aerodynamic devices has been in place for many years now, which extendes to flexing front wings of the Ferrari (a slight bit of "deflection" is allowed, to prevent shattering due to normal use), the mass damper of last year's Renault R26, the never-fully-raced Lotus 81 (the whole car moved as two chassis), and the attempt by Ferrari to create a rear wing that could be modified by the driver...in 1968!
Lotus 88 ;). The 81 raced, but the 88 was banned.
 
When Schumacher was disqualified from Spa '94, Benetton (his team) demonstrated to the FIA that the car was riding on the raised rumble strip by showing them telemetry which proved the suspension was in "full droop" (i.e. when you lift a car off the ground the suspension drops to a certain point). The wear on Schumacher's plank was over the 10% limit only in parts where it had gone over the kerb so it should have been clear to the stewards of the meeting that the car had not been intentionally run too low so as to gain a performance advantage. However, Schumacher was disqualified anyway. Whenever people allege Schumacher gets special treatment from the FIA, I mention this situation to them. Swings and roundabouts.
 
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