For all u Pro "American Muscle" guys

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ugh, 3 hours to download this on my 3mbps dsl connection - screw that

Either way, I'm not a fan of the new corvette or the new viper. I usually prefer old school muscle

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also, keep in mind that the corvette is more suited for track racing than it is for drag. That's why you rarely see a 90's or newer model vette on the strips
 
Well since I'm not going to bother to download the stupid thing I'll just say this. Why must every beat up on American cars and think nothing of it, but when I tell you that Hondas are aweful cars your panties get up into about 50 knots. So I'm just going to go by the golden rule.

And oh ya, Honda's aren't sports car, just a FYI. A Civic is and will always be a ECONOMY CAR!!!! Please feel free to explain to me how they are not.
 
BlazinXtreme
And oh ya, Honda's aren't sports car, just a FYI. A Civic is and will always be a ECONOMY CAR!!!! Please feel free to explain to me how they are not.
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but...but...with a 200 shot of nos, and about 20k in aftermarket parts, it's a 10 second car!
 
what da bloody hell???? your dissin vettes because of one ******G review.......get outa here rice rocket driver!!
 
emad
but...but...with a 200 shot of nos, and about 20k in aftermarket parts, it's a 10 second car!
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Yeah, relying on the help of mods, while this muscle cars rely on pure horsepower.
 
And of course they would review it bad...they are British. No offense to any UK memebers but I don't think they would fully understand the Vette. Just like how I can't see why anyone would like the Ford Feista or even a Mini Cooper.

but...but...with a 200 shot of nos, and about 20k in aftermarket parts, it's a 10 second car!
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:lol: True True...the sad part of that is with 20 g's I could make my Blazer run in the 10's...but then again, I have a truck not a spots anything.
 
Since everyone is being too ignorant to actually DOWNLOAD the damn video with a little patience... they obviously didn't see teh review

it's not just a race.. it's the whole Comprehensive review of the car... talkin about positive and negative features of the car...like good handlin.. yet poor build quality...the fact that it still uses Leaf Springs in this day and age


as for the RACE... it's a STOCK NSX type S (NOT type R) so no there is no "50K" in aftermarket parts

i never said anythign about it being a Econobox honda.. i just said honda...

the review was not MADE by Honda.. they were included in it... but the vette was also beat by a mid range TVR...

the carrera 2 wasn't so far behind.. considering it's a base model as well...


And oh ya, Honda's aren't sports car, just a FYI. A Civic is and will always be a ECONOMY CAR!!!! Please feel free to explain to me how they are not.
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at least u can't push in the rear bumper of a Civic with 1 finger... and u might actually survive a rear end collision in one :nervous:
 
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Yeah, relying on the help of mods, while this muscle cars rely on pure horsepower.
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ah right.. so the mods pick up and carry the car across the line.. i get it...

what do mods do? give horsepower.... 💡


but...but...with a 200 shot of nos, and about 20k in aftermarket parts, it's a 10 second car!
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I can tell u really don't know much about cars.... especially the way u use "NOS" basing your car knowledge on FnF... it's like me goin and watching re-runs of *MASH* and saying i'm a Trauma Surgeon :sick:


actually for 3.5-4K is all u really need, but that's besides the point... all cars in this review were untouched straight from the show room

what da bloody hell???? your dissin vettes because of one ******G review.......get outa here rice rocket driver!!
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so is he lying about the leaf springs and the plastic panels and poor quality then?

i'd rather u not call my cars rice rocket's... there's no point in bringing into the argument what I drive... yes they're from Japan...and their fast... but too many ppl associate "rice rocket" as a bad term.. unlike "crotch rocket" which is a good thing....
 
BlazinXtreme
Well since I'm not going to bother to download the stupid thing I'll just say this. Why must every beat up on American cars and think nothing of it, but when I tell you that Hondas are aweful cars your panties get up into about 50 knots. So I'm just going to go by the golden rule.

And oh ya, Honda's aren't sports car, just a FYI. A Civic is and will always be a ECONOMY CAR!!!! Please feel free to explain to me how they are not.
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I fear this thread is going to be extraordinarily unproductive.

However, I remind you that if Honda only made Civics, they wouldn't be a very big manufacturer, now would they? If they were "aweful" cars, they wouldn't sell. And, finally, why should being an "ECONOMY CAR" be a good position to judge a car as "aweful" from?


"Honda = bad" is every bit as stupid as "American car = bad".
 
Why would anyone want to drag race a FF car against a Rear driver ? I hardly ever see it down at the track although a few idiots will occasionally try it on the street. You need to spend almost twice the cash on a front driver to get the ET than you do on a Rear drive car.
 
They didn't.

If the video is the one I think it is, it's a clip from Top Gear, showing a 1/4 mile race between a new Corvette, Porsche 911 Carrera 2, TVR 350 and Honda NSX. The Corvette placed 3rd, ahead of the Porsche.
 
I have to say the leaf-springs are a bit cheap but look at the Top Gear lap test times.

1st
Mercedes McLaren SLR - 1.20.9

2nd
Ford GT - 1.21.9

Joint 3rd
Ferrari 360 CS - 1.22.3

Joint 3rd
Porsche GT3 RS - 1.22.3

4th
Murcielago - 1.23.7

5th
Zonda - 1.23.8

Koenigsegg - 1.23.9

Noble - 1.25.0

Gallardo - 1.25.8

Lotus Exige - 1.26.4

Chevrolet Corvette - 1.26.8

Porsche 911 GT3 - 1.27.2

TVR 350c - 1.27.5

BMW M3 CSL - 1.28.0

MG SV - 1.28.6

Mitsubishi Evo VIII - 1.28.9

BMW Alpine Z8 - 1.29.0

Mercedes CL65 - 1.29

Alfa 3.7 GTA - 1.30.0

Subaru Impreza STI - 1.30.1

Aston Martin DB7 GT - 1.30.4

Audi S4 - 1.30.9

Porsche 911 turbo - 1.31.0

Vauxhall VX 220 turbo - 1.31.3


Its came 10th overall and beating the 911 GT3 is by no means an easy feat.
 
11th actually..

u didn't include teh Porsche Carrera GT @1:19.xxx
and some times are done in wet conditions.. others in dry conditions....but they're all on teh same list

there's alot of cars that aren't reviewed there as well, i wonder how the NSX would do on the track for example...

plus that GT3 is a far superior car overall then the Vette...even tho the vette has more ponies...(i think the GT3 could take the vette in drag tho, dunno how it beat the porsche in the twisties peculiar)

If the video is the one I think it is, it's a clip from Top Gear, showing a 1/4 mile race between a new Corvette, Porsche 911 Carrera 2, TVR 350 and Honda NSX. The Corvette placed 3rd, ahead of the Porsche.
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it's the WHOLE review.. including this race.. but it talks about the C6 as well...
 
The Honda NSX Type-R was reviewed a year or so ago, it ran 1:33.2, however this was on a soaked track.

The Porsche 911 GT3 also ran on a damp track.

However notice that even though the TVR T350C beat the Corvette in a straight line, the Corvette beat the T350C around the track.

As for the drag race video, please notice that the race is actually edited. They ran the drag race a few times (confirmed by onlookers and also confirmed by the fact that before they launch, you can still see the rubber marks from when they raced previous times.

And the "poor build quality" is called plastic. It's also called lightweight. And they are able to be pushed because of something called "crumple zones". Trust me, if you bush the bumper of a Civic, you'll get the same thing.

And the Corvette uses leaf springs because GM has mastered them, and they know they work. Notice of course Top Gear makes no mention of the Magnetic Ride Control... :rolleyes:

I should also point out the Corvette tested had it's clutch destroyed by the Top Gear people, and GM was rather pissed off about it. They also appear to have damaged the brakes simply because there's no reason the Corvette should have locked up a tire going into the bend.
 
The Corvette appears to be a really superb car, although I've never even been in one. A lot of people seem to dismiss it because it's American... I've had several people tell me there is no way a Corvette could outhandle an M3, even though I can't find a single article by someone who has driven both and says otherwise.

People need to get over the leaf springs and pushrod, non-variable everything engine. The Corvette is out competing against cars that are much more expensive, and proving to be faster than a lot of them.

It'll be interesting to see how much faster the Z06 model will be.

BlazinXtreme
And oh ya, Honda's aren't sports car, just a FYI. A Civic is and will always be a ECONOMY CAR!!!! Please feel free to explain to me how they are not.
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A sports car isn't necessarily better than an economy car. Before the MR2 I owned a Civic Si, you can call it an 'economy car' all you want, but that won't stop the Civic from keeping up with the MR2.

edit: A note on bumpers. Every car I've had and worked on, minus the Suburban, has a plastic bumper cover. Behind the plastic bumper cover is the actual metal bumper. The Corvette is no different from any other car, except that it sounds like the plastic might stick out a bit more from the bumper than your average car.

I don't know what the world is coming to when an 'enthusiast' show would criticize a car with a really good chassis and 400hp motor for having a cheap interior or because of some buisness about it's bumpers. I'd hate to see their review of a Formula 1 car... NO bumpers! and a REALLY crap interior!
 
Ottoman
I can tell u really don't know much about cars.... especially the way u use "NOS" basing your car knowledge on FnF... it's like me goin and watching re-runs of *MASH* and saying i'm a Trauma Surgeon :sick:
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ah, I see somebody didn't detect my sarcasm there ;)
 
BlazinXtreme
And of course they would review it bad...they are British. No offense to any UK memebers but I don't think they would fully understand the Vette. Just like how I can't see why anyone would like the Ford Feista or even a Mini Cooper.



:lol: True True...the sad part of that is with 20 g's I could make my Blazer run in the 10's...but then again, I have a truck not a spots anything.
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Yo, if your truck is hooked up like it is in your pixel av it's best suited for rolling down the street at 10 mph, system up, windows down 👍 :sly:
 
A note on the suspension:

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It isn't quite your ordinary leaf spring suspension.

The spring is mounted transversely (you can't really see it, but you can see it's not longitudinal), with double wishbones and electromagnetic shocks at each wheel. No other car in the world uses such a set-up.

Of course, Jeremy Clarkson wouldn't understand any of this since he's a stodgy old fart who has no comprehension whatsoever of mechanical engineering.

It's too bad it sells for £40,000 in Britain. In the United States it sells for the equivalent of about £27,000.
 
Yo, if your truck is hooked up like it is in your pixel av it's best suited for rolling down the street at 10 mph, system up, windows down
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Yup thats pretty much all I do, who needs to go fast when you can get all the attention you want at 2 times below the postes speed limit :lol:.
 
there is no reason to download that video. All you have to do is read the reviews below it. And it looked like there were plenty of Brits complaining about the blatant bias against the Vette. I could make a video of my truck outrunning the vette, put it on the net, and you rice fan's would be all over it talking about how crappy the vette is because this big @$$ truck beat it :rolleyes: i can't believe how you people will believe any anti-american car statement made without even considering otherwise..... it's sad. The people dissing the suspension are idiots. Whens the last time you designed a professional race winning car???? YEAH THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT! SO SHUT UP! i hate honda's, just because of what people do to them and all, but actually, factory stock they are good cars. Saying all Japanese cars are stupid is just as idiotic as saying all american cars are old and outdated. The Vette is an awesome car for the price! you find me a better one!?
 
it's a shame about some ppls attitude...

basically only postive and benficial comments (in favor of the vette) were by Restmah and Firebird...

it's a shame threads like this can't have an intellectual debate without turning into a flame war mud slinging competition

Firebrid: i actually learned something i didn't know today.. thank u...

Retsmah: good points.. but common F1 is purpose built for one thing... a guy paying 40,000 pounds for a car... isn't buying a purpose built race car.. he's buying a daily driver so i'm sure interior quality comes into the desicion when paying that kinda price tag

and p.s. U have an MR2?? is it a 2nd Gen.. I'm a HUGE fan of them.. and would love to get some more detail on urs.. pics even.. a seperate thread perhaps? :)

Emad: my bad can't hear sarcasm in text can I :P add the [/sarcasm] tag it help 👍
 
it's a shame threads like this can't have an intellectual debate without turning into a flame war mud slinging competition
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Well when you start off by saying how the new GM sucks you are pretty much asking for a flame war.

there is no reason to download that video. All you have to do is read the reviews below it. And it looked like there were plenty of Brits complaining about the blatant bias against the Vette. I could make a video of my truck outrunning the vette, put it on the net, and you rice fan's would be all over it talking about how crappy the vette is because this big @$$ truck beat it i can't believe how you people will believe any anti-american car statement made without even considering otherwise..... it's sad. The people dissing the suspension are idiots. Whens the last time you designed a professional race winning car???? YEAH THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT! SO SHUT UP! i hate honda's, just because of what people do to them and all, but actually, factory stock they are good cars. Saying all Japanese cars are stupid is just as idiotic as saying all american cars are old and outdated. The Vette is an awesome car for the price! you find me a better one!?
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I'm glad someone here has a brain and can use it right.
 
Ottoman
Firebrid: i actually learned something i didn't know today.. thank u...
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You're welcome.

The Corvette's suspension setup actually has quite a few advantages over similar double wishbone systems with coil springs. It's biggest advantage is that the weight of the suspension itself is kept to a minimum (I forgot to mention the leaf springs are made of a fibreglass composite, not metal like a conventional one), therefore weight is shifted away from the extremities of the car, which helps weight distribution in cornering. Also, since the leaf spring is mounted nearer the centre of the car applied force from the wheel will be distributed further from the wheel itself, also helping cornering.

The best analogy I have for it is a DeDion suspension, but instead it's the spring being pushed towards the centre instead of the brake discs.
 
Firebird
You're welcome.

The Corvette's suspension setup actually has quite a few advantages over similar double wishbone systems with coil springs. It's biggest advantage is that the weight of the suspension itself is kept to a minimum (I forgot to mention the leaf springs are made of a fibreglass composite, not metal like a conventional one), therefore weight is shifted away from the extremities of the car, which helps weight distribution in cornering. Also, since the leaf spring is mounted nearer the centre of the car applied force from the wheel will be distributed further from the wheel itself, also helping cornering.

The best analogy I have for it is a DeDion suspension, but instead it's the spring being pushed towards the centre instead of the brake discs.
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interesting... and as for the electro magnetic shocks... i'm assumin it uses a magnetic field as the "dampener" rather that conventional pneaumatic/hydrolic means.....
so does this mean when the car is off it sits on the springs? and the shocks are fed from the alternator just like other electronics in the car? interesting concept... wonder how reliable it will be in the long run.. and repair/maintence costs of something like this..
what if a wire got loose or something feeding one of the shocks...while cornering for example.. would one of the corners of the car just "slouch" that could be dangerous...

is the dampening force variable? like stiff to soft settings?
 
BlazinXtreme
Well when you start off by saying how the new GM sucks you are pretty much asking for a flame war.
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have u seen the video? if u did u'd see how it makes the Vette look pretty crappy too... generally speakin Top Gear has been around for a LOONG time.. and they woulda long been unplugged had they been a crappy source of information.. but in this case.. not all the facts were stated.. i Dled the video watched it.. had a laugh and decided to post it up for everyone else to get in on... yes IMO judgin from the Video it did suck... but other ppl in the thread stated FACTS that are showing other wise and generally being helpful to make ppl understand rather then flaming and bringing other unrelated things into it
 
Magnetic Ride Control, a system first used on the C5 50th Anniversary Corvette as well as the new Cadillac XLR. Now available on the standard C6 and the upcoming Cadillac STS.

If I remember correctly, the system is similar to regular pneumatic shock absorbers, but uses a liquid filled with magnetically charged particles. The piston within the shock is then magneticaly charged to oppose the particles. Thus instead of just having the liquid in the shock, you also have it's effects increased by the repelling of the magnetic charge.
 

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