Formula GT acceleration slower than AI

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Quick question - why does my FGT accelerate much slower than the AI FGTs ?

When I start a race (Monza) I fall back to 11th place before the first corner. (Every tuning setting kept at default except brake bias at 6/4. No aids except ABS at 1.) The AI is incredibly slow around the corners. So, I climb up to 2nd/3rd place after 2 corners but I gradually keep falling back in the straights.

Will engine and chassis rebuild improve the acceleration ? Or is it a matter of getting the tuning right ? BTW, I've changed oil and the car has 926 BHP now.

P.S: I tried searching the forum but I couldn't find a thread/post which answers this question.
 
It's not the total solution, but I find that Bob gets off the line faster if you give him an 'Overtake' command BEFORE the count-down. Well before..!

It really grinds my gears to have 300hp cars come off the line faster than my Minolta, though. What's with THAT?

It's as if a bunch of PD guys sat around and went 'We know the AI sucks, but if we make the B-Spec car even WORSE, maybe people won't notice?!'

It didn't work...:dunce::banghead:

Oops! Just noticed this was A-Spec. Are you using a pad, or wheel with no clutch? I think the AI have the ability to clutch higher revs out of the start, whereas automatic or no clutch, the revs drop too much. How high is your TC? Disabling this (in theory, at least) ought to allow you to spin the tires a hair and keep the revs up off the line. But if they are ALWAYS catching up on the straights, then yes, try adjusting the final gear ratio or lowering downforce might get you a bit more speed. Do you do an oil change before each race or two? That gives you a bit more grunt, too. Finally, all else fails, then yes, possibly an engine rebuild might be necessary (how many miles you got on it?). The chassis rebuild is going to make more difference in the corners than on the straight.

Bottom line is, are you SURE you aren't losing any traction as you accelerate out of the corner? Even a tiny bit of slip here allows the AI (who are pretty good except under braking) get a chance to catch back up
 
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Turn the TCS down or alter the diff.

Check the HP of your car, they get up to around 930ish I think. Mine's currently only at about 780 due to Bob's heavy usage of it :D

A rebuild+oil change might be in order!
 
With an Oil Change you have 926bph ? I get 935bph you may need a rebuild i don't know ?.. But i will say even with 935bph they pass me from the start .. The only way to compensate is to move to the right hand side immediately and try to pass as many as possible and squeeze yourself around the first turn and hope not to get clunked or spun.Have you dropped your top speed also for quicker acceleration on Monaco ?
 
Destinkeys
Oops! Just noticed this was A-Spec. Are you using a pad, or wheel with no clutch? I think the AI have the ability to clutch higher revs out of the start, whereas automatic or no clutch, the revs drop too much. How high is your TC? Disabling this (in theory, at least) ought to allow you to spin the tires a hair and keep the revs up off the line. But if they are ALWAYS catching up on the straights, then yes, try adjusting the final gear ratio or lowering downforce might get you a bit more speed. Do you do an oil change before each race or two? That gives you a bit more grunt, too. Finally, all else fails, then yes, possibly an engine rebuild might be necessary (how many miles you got on it?). The chassis rebuild is going to make more difference in the corners than on the straight.

Bottom line is, are you SURE you aren't losing any traction as you accelerate out of the corner? Even a tiny bit of slip here allows the AI (who are pretty good except under braking) get a chance to catch back up
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Like I said, every assist is off except ABS at 1. I'm using automatic transmission. Wonder if that's the problem here. And I'm not sure if they are ALWAYS catching up on the straights. But I fall back to 11th place in just a few seconds after the race begins. My car simply doesn't keep up with the AI cars during the start of race. Is that normal ?

TenEightyOne
Turn the TCS down or alter the diff.

Check the HP of your car, they get up to around 930ish I think. Mine's currently only at about 780 due to Bob's heavy usage of it :D

A rebuild+oil change might be in order!
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TCS is off. Diff is in default settings. I've done an oil change and the car outputs 926 hp. Like I said before, I fall back to 11th place in just a few seconds after the race begins. My car simply doesn't keep up with the AI cars during the start of race. Is that normal ?
 
tatfa
With an Oil Change you have 926bph ? I get 935bph you may need a rebuild i don't know ?.. But i will say even with 935bph they pass me from the start .. The only way to compensate is to move to the right hand side immediately and try to pass as many as possible and squeeze yourself around the first turn and hope not to get clunked or spun.Have you dropped your top speed also for quicker acceleration on Monaco ?
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I do that same thing too. I move away from the pack and I try to overtake as many cars as possible in the first corner. But this strategy has a 50/50 chance of me spinning out. With the AI cars being faster, I don't think I'll ever make it to first position if I spin out.

By the way, I wonder if I have to improve my FGT driving skills. I tried FGT for the first time today and I got used to it after a few laps. I did about 1:25 on Monza. Is that too slow ?
 
It could be to do with your tyres? i.e. if you're on Racing Hard tyres and they're on Soft tyres.

And in my experience I rebuilt my engine before attempting this championship and had no troubles.
 
A couple of quite simple tests might answer the question for yourself. Start with TC higher. Get off the line faster? (don't run the whole race, just the start).

Start in manual... any better? Automatic always upshifts sooner than you can take the revs in manual.

Change top speed lower (are you hitting the rev limiter in top gear anywhere already? If not, lower it until you do, then back off one spot) and this will increase your acceleration.

Bottom line is, F1 racers don't use automatic transmission. Got to be a reason for that, doesn't there?!
 
Oh, and you start from seventh, or something like that, and you want to be FIRST by the first corner?:crazy:

This race is no different from any other, The AI will brake early for just about EVERY corner. Don't try to win the race on the start straight. Pick them off one or two at a time. This is a lot easier when they aren't bunched together as much as they are at the start.

Look at any F1 race. It's bloody rare to see someone start in 7th be 1st after the first corner! Got to be the pileup from hell for that to happen IRL!

Drive defensively, make the AI go the long way around you, don't worry too much about a pass, they are going to overbrake for the next corner, anyway. You'll get it back. Good drivers have PATIENCE...
 
I just tried mine for you i go to the front from the start if i am nifty on the corner .
LSD I/T 20 A/S 50 B/S 45
Top Speed 193
Areo Maxed out

I don't know anything about tuning all i know is it beats them off the mark then i have 25 mins of agony trying to maintain the lead. My FGT is 935 bph though.
 
skarz
I rebuilt my engine before attempting this championship and had no troubles.
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But did you try it without the engine rebuild before you did it and had big troubles? A lot of people like to slap the upgrades on, THEN see if they can win an event. Best thing is to see how much you need them BEFORE you spend 500,000cr. Maybe a 250cr. oil change was all you needed..? Maybe just soft racing tires..? Maybe you DID need the engine rebuild (if Bob had been grinding it down 100hp or so) but you never know until you try.

Apologies if you did test first, but it's something I see quite a few people do. I doubt 50% of them really NEEDED the upgrade in full.
 
Destinkeys
Oh, and you start from seventh, or something like that, and you want to be FIRST by the first corner?:crazy:
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The thing is, I don't want to be out-accelerated to last place on the initial straight. At least, I should keep up with the pack, right?

tatfa
I just tried mine for you i go to the front from the start if i am nifty on the corner .
LSD I/T 20 A/S 50 B/S 45
Top Speed 193
Areo Maxed out

I don't know anything about tuning all i know is it beats them off the mark then i have 25 mins of agony trying to maintain the lead. My FGT is 935 bph though.
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Thanks! I should try that tune.
 
Check your power, change your oil if need be. At prime condition with fresh oil you should be seeing 935hp in the FGT. If you have less than this after an oil change then it may need to be rebuilt though I would not reccomend this if the car still has close to the 935.
 
Actually the oil only starts to have a negitive affect at around 200 miles. and the engine takes much longer. Also with TCS off the Auto transmission keeps the car in gear spinning the tires for much too long. i would try TC at 1 and see if it helps.
 
With TCS=5, ABS=1 and no other assists you should pull away right off the line if you shift properly.
 
Are you sure everything is at default? Mine accelerates slightly slower than the AI, but it's because I've tweaked the transmission ratio slightly to get a higher top speed on the ovals, and I usually don't bother changing it back for most races.
 
Also make sure you have racing soft tires bought AND installed. The top speed should probably be around 236 for Monza and petty much every track except Cote DAzure, which I set to 190, and I always keep the downforce maxed on front and rear.
 
Destinkeys
But did you try it without the engine rebuild before you did it and had big troubles? A lot of people like to slap the upgrades on, THEN see if they can win an event. Best thing is to see how much you need them BEFORE you spend 500,000cr. Maybe a 250cr. oil change was all you needed..? Maybe just soft racing tires..? Maybe you DID need the engine rebuild (if Bob had been grinding it down 100hp or so) but you never know until you try.

Apologies if you did test first, but it's something I see quite a few people do. I doubt 50% of them really NEEDED the upgrade in full.
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I'm sorry I'm in the 50% :scared: But to be honest I think its a worthwhile investment as it will pay for itself when you grind the endurance events and B-Spec in it.

The one i bought was off of the Online Collectors Dealership and that still needed the engine rebuilt, I haven't had any experience with the Used Car Dealership but I'd be surprised if the FGT's from there didn't need their engine rebuilt.
 
I bought my FGT from the Online dealership also. Still haven't done a rebuild. Other than the FGT championship, there isn't a single race where, completely untouched except for the oil change, the FGT doesn't make the race a joke. I had about 400 miles on mine when I bought it, I think. Certainly not enough to make a difference, so far, that you would notice...

The perfect grinding machine. If I want to give the AI a chance, I just knock the ABS down to 0 (no other assists) which makes braking far more squirrely!

There are a LOT of really fun cars to drive that 500,000cr. will buy you.
 

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