Forums subsection for complaints?

[robbo6]

Due to the often quite bad hostility in complaint threads about GT5. Could it be arranged that a separate section devoted to complaints is created and moderated to remove comments from those blissfully happy with the game as it stands? I would hazard a guess that it would make a moderators life much easier knowing that all he had to do was send a complaint thread in the wrong section over the complaint section and merge threads that were on the same subject? Just a thought and a suggestion.

 

[Motor City Hami]

Yes, I agree. Make a complaint section for all of the people who want to complain. Ten new complaint threads a day is getting in the way for those of us who actually like the game and want to find/share information on how to play it.

 

[gogatrs]

I would vote for that.
It would be full of complete BS and nobody would read it though.

 

[Sphinx]

Search much?

A subforum dedicated to complaints has been suggested before, and I'm still on the fence about it. It would be both good and bad.

I don't know why I bother sometimes

 

[SlipZtrEm]

My opinion on it is that it doesn't send a very positive message to have a section off to the side for any criticisms of the game, and leave the main section as a "nothing negative can ever be said" area. As much of a headache as all the bickering can be, and the whole duplicating issue, there are occasional pools of logical, rational discussion over there. It's good to have both sides represented, or at least give both sides the ability to be heard on the same level. That's just my personal view, though.

 

[robbo6]

Search much?



I don't know why I bother sometimes

I resent that, I searches and NOTHING came up linked to "complaints subsection". The only thing that comes up now is MY thread. Search engines are notoriously crap, the one on this website is no different.

 

[robbo6]

My opinion on it is that it doesn't send a very positive message to have a section off to the side for any criticisms of the game, and leave the main section as a "nothing negative can ever be said" area. As much of a headache as all the bickering can be, and the whole duplicating issue, there are occasional pools of logical, rational discussion over there. It's good to have both sides represented, or at least give both sides the ability to be heard on the same level. That's just my personal view, though.

That's deeply unfair as someone who is irritated about an aspect of the games does NOT need the smarmy arsed comments that the GT5 lovers come up with. There are GENUINE complaints and grievances about GT5, the more people put their heads in the sand and pretend the game is "perfect" the more likely is that future patches will not address real problems with the game and that GT6 will stagnate worse than GT5 did.

I used to think this site was a good one for information and a supportive community......looking less and less like that every time I come here.

 

[Famine]

I resent that, I searches and NOTHING came up linked to "complaints subsection". The only thing that comes up now is MY thread. Search engines are notoriously crap, the one on this website is no different.

Search engines are only as good as the user.

Searching this subforum only for threads with "complaints" in reveals 61 threads. Changing that to "complaints subforum" reduces that to three, with the thread Sphinx directed you to being one and this thread (from the quote Sphinx placed into it) being another.

 

[robbo6]

Search engines are only as good as the user.

Searching this subforum only for threads with "complaints" in reveals 61 threads. Changing that to "complaints subforum" reduces that to three, with the thread Sphinx directed you to being one and this thread (from the quote Sphinx placed into it) being another.

So I have to search the EXACT phrase of someones elses wording eh?? Oh dear I'm so sorry for being a mindless cretin with my OWN wordings and ways of saying things. This isn't just aimed at GTP but I'm sick of the effwit prats who say "search the site" it's MASSIVELY irritating and condescending. It's like the people who pick up on a few typos....I'm not a touch typist. and SIXTY ONE threads......gods man, I havn't the time to trawl through that many threads just on the off chance one is relevent to mine. My life doesn't revolve around this forum or anyother, it may be easier for Mods etc, because you spend more time on chat forums so are more used to the ways of doing things...have some patience and understanding for those who DON'T. AND YES I'm angry, fully expecting the wand of banning to be waved at me for this but I'm making my point fair and square IMO.

 

[Famine]

So I have to search the EXACT phrase of someones elses wording eh??

Not at all. But complaining that search engines are "notoriously crap" because you don't get the result you want when other people can seems curiously self-centred. The tool is at fault and not the person using it - despite the fact others can use the tool adequately.

When you're searching for what you want to find amongst others' contributions and search only for what you would say, you often won't succeed. Don't then give up and blame the search engine. You need to search for what those contributors would say. Learn to think beyond yourself.

and SIXTY ONE threads......gods man, I havn't the time to trawl through that many threads just on the off chance one is relevent to mine.

Sixty one threads is more results than one. I then narrowed down my search by using an additional word and found the exact result to which you were directed. It took twenty seconds.

Let's get one thing straight. You had the time to come up with an idea and to type it out. You had the time to complain about Sphinx's response - including taking a screenshot of your desktop and uploading it to your Imageshack account - and subsequently tap out a paragraph to complain about mine. If you couldn't spare twenty seconds to have a look through the site - call it forty for trying a couple of different words out - to check that your query hasn't previously been posted, you shouldn't be able to spare ten minutes to have a go at us and all of the search engines in the world for pointing out you were beaten to it.

 

[robbo6]

You do indeed have a point about the time I took to post that image etc. I cannot fault your logic there, but I was motivated at the time to do so, and I find utilising search engines in the main a frustrating experience (yes even stuff like google drives me nuts with it's pedantic reliance on people doing/searching for the same thing/exact phrasing). I tend to do things in a completely unique way, maybe it's the way my brains wired..I dunno. But I will admit I struggle with search engines and the usual replies about using the damn things. I thought that just searching for "complaints" would be far too vague and bring up far too many hits to trawl through.

And just for info, Sphinx did not direct me to any particular thread, he just quoted a part of a thread, and prior to that he just directed me to the feedback subsection main page in a PM to me, where I seached for Complaints subsection and found nothing so posted a new thread. The title of the thread into which I should have looked was particularly vague too, didn't help. I fully realise that duplicate threads are probably the bane of a mod/admins life with bandwidth issues etc.

I still think a subsection for complaints is a valid request. As long as the people who are blissfully happy with GT5 stay away from those who are not and vice versa. Surely that would make for a happier forum than it is at the moment, I've never seen it so fragmented, and never seen so much ill will.

 

[Owen.C93]

If you click the little quote bubble it will take you to the post, so if you click the little bubble by Jordan's name in Sphinx's post it will link you to that thread

 

[Greycap]

That's deeply unfair as someone who is irritated about an aspect of the games does NOT need the smarmy arsed comments that the GT5 lovers come up with. There are GENUINE complaints and grievances about GT5, the more people put their heads in the sand and pretend the game is "perfect" the more likely is that future patches will not address real problems with the game and that GT6 will stagnate worse than GT5 did.

Now let's turn that all the other way round.

That's deeply unfair as someone who likes GT5 does NOT need the mindless bashing that the GT5 haters come up with. There are GENUINE great things in GT5, the more people nitpick on every small detail that doesn't satisfy their personal expectations and keep saying the game absolutely sucks the more likely it is that PD won't bother with patching it as people will never be happy anyway and we'll be stuck with what we have.

Think twice before saying that's wrong, it's not. Neither is your version - it really goes both ways. The opinion of someone who loves GT5 is just as respectable as one of someone who loathes it.

What's evident though is that many promising threads are turned into flame fests by just a handful of people (always the same names) who turn up whenever possible and begin hating to the best of their ability. Goodbye intelligent discussion for everyone else by that point. I don't quite understand why it seems to be universally tolerated though, if a similar amount of people invaded every other thread spreading word about the divine greatness of GT5 they'd be considered an unbelievable nuisance before a week had passed. Well, not saying they wouldn't be just that but I can't say the pro hater team is any less of that either. And nothing can be done - question them and they'll play the entire pack of fanboy cards, goodbye intelligent discussion for everyone else again.

 

[robbo6]

If you click the little quote bubble it will take you to the post, so if you click the little bubble by Jordan's name in Sphinx's post it will link you to that thread

Well I never knew that could be clicked on. People, especially mods should be more understanding of those who do not spend a large part of their life in forums such as these. As a 39 year old I find some of the assumptions made by many online very irritating. Condescending posts and comments are all too common online.

 

[robbo6]

Now let's turn that all the other way round.



Think twice before saying that's wrong, it's not. Neither is your version - it really goes both ways. The opinion of someone who loves GT5 is just as respectable as one of someone who loathes it.

What's evident though is that many promising threads are turned into flame fests by just a handful of people (always the same names) who turn up whenever possible and begin hating to the best of their ability. Goodbye intelligent discussion for everyone else by that point. I don't quite understand why it seems to be universally tolerated though, if a similar amount of people invaded every other thread spreading word about the divine greatness of GT5 they'd be considered an unbelievable nuisance before a week had passed. Well, not saying they wouldn't be just that but I can't say the pro hater team is any less of that either. And nothing can be done - question them and they'll play the entire pack of fanboy cards, goodbye intelligent discussion for everyone else again.

Why are you making the assumption that people complaining are GT5 "HATERS", this is to me the crux of the problem. I would say that the real HATERS have just gone and started playing a different game altogether. I LOVE the GT series, I HATE what PD have done in some areas of GT5 I do NOT HATE the game, and I would guess from the other complaint posts I have read that is a common theme. But the PRO GT5 people all seem to presume the complaints are just mindless and trolling by Forza fans. GT5 has MASSIVE flaws that need to be brought to PDs attention anyway possible. If this site can facilitate then GT5 has more chance of being improved.

 

[Greycap]

Why are you making the assumption that people complaining are GT5 "HATERS", this is to me the crux of the problem. I would say that the real HATERS have just gone and started playing a different game altogether.

So would I, I even thought so, but practice has proven otherwise. There are people here who admit that they've stopped playing but still keep ranting. It's hard to make any other assumption at that point.

I LOVE the GT series, I HATE what PD have done in some areas of GT5 I do NOT HATE the game, and I would guess from the other complaint posts I have read that is a common theme. But the PRO GT5 people all seem to presume the complaints are just mindless and trolling by Forza fans.

It's something of a double standard to call anyone PRO GT5 people when your own posts (I took the liberty to check, public information after all) reveal two out of sixty posts to have something positive about the game. You still like it though. Well, I can assure you that those who you call PRO GT5 people have things in the game they don't like, the issues just aren't anywhere near bad enough to break the game.

GT5 has MASSIVE flaws that need to be brought to PDs attention anyway possible. If this site can facilitate then GT5 has more chance of being improved.

That one I can agree with but there really should be another way of doing it. As the situation stands now a lot of threads in the GT5 forum are complaints, even duplicate complaints from a subject that is already being discussed, and many "normal" threads are turned into flaming wars between those who bash GT5 and those who bash the threadjackers. The silent majority suffers from it the most and that can't be good.

 

[the Interceptor]

I am in favor of a GT5-complaints-subforum as well, but I'm afraid SlipZtrEm has made some excellent points. It may be convenient for the two major groups, but it might send out questionable signals. I'm not sure now ... I'd probably say give it a shot and see where it goes from there.

 

[robbo6]

So would I, I even thought so, but practice has proven otherwise. There are people here who admit that they've stopped playing but still keep ranting. It's hard to make any other assumption at that point.

I dunno, a lot have stopped, but maybe they don't want to stop. That would drive many to try all means to get the message to PD. And then be frustrated by those who don't take a complaint seriously.

It's something of a double standard to call anyone PRO GT5 people when your own posts (I took the liberty to check, public information after all) reveal two out of sixty posts to have something positive about the game. You still like it though. Well, I can assure you that those who you call PRO GT5 people have things in the game they don't like, the issues just aren't anywhere near bad enough to break the game.

I do indeed like GT5, I am nowhere near proGT5. The game is indefensible IMO, FAR too many gameplay breaking elements in the game. It just isn't anywhere near as fun as the previous game. PD have put all these cars in the game, then made a lot far too expensive with not enough rewards to get the cars. The excuse that it's a "long term" game doesn't cut it. A good game is a good game, it doesn't need artificial means to extend it's longevity. It's even worse than previous GTs in tyre reality with the issues of wet weather and tyre wear. For a Simulator that is COMPLETELY wrong and PD have to fix that. It's all in the game in other areas so should be a simple fix.

That one I can agree with but there really should be another way of doing it. As the situation stands now a lot of threads in the GT5 forum are complaints, even duplicate complaints from a subject that is already being discussed, and many "normal" threads are turned into flaming wars between those who bash GT5 and those who bash the threadjackers. The silent majority suffers from it the most and that can't be good.

All the more reason to create a subforum (not subsection must get that right!) IMO. Then again I don't know the ins and out's of how easily that could be implemented, but I see it as a form of "crowd control", at the mo there's a bit of a free for all, Police often pen groups of people and keep them seperate, to ensure rival sides don't mix and create mayhem!! Anyhoo, if the mods of this site choose not to then that's obviously their perogative, I've done all I can to discuss the matter, it's in their court.

 

[Nero9]

Offtopic is offtopic...

 

[GrahamTurismo]

I thought the thread name said Forum SUBSCRIPTION for complaints!

That would actually be an amazing idea if could be automatically enforced. A little script window could pop up and say: "I see you're about to submit a new thread in which you are expressing your displeasure; you'll need to pay money to become a premium member before you can complain publicly." That would certainly stave off the sea of whiners.