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I've been driving my tesla a lot lately and I've noticed that when you start, the car has really sudden acceleration especially for it's power, as if all of it's power and torque are there at once without a ton of wheelspin...

My question is, what other cars have this?
The McLaren F1 and TVR speed 12 have it to an extent... The veyron, on the other hand (despite its extreme 0-60 time) starts slow...
 
Aaronrray
I've been driving my tesla a lot lately and I've noticed that when you start, the car has really sudden acceleration especially for it's power, as if all of it's power and torque are there at once without a ton of wheelspin...

My question is, what other cars have this?
The McLaren F1 and TVR speed 12 have it to an extent... The veyron, on the other hand (despite its extreme 0-60 time) starts slow...
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You haven't driven my Veyron than lol. That thing that accelerates like crazy. It's all about the transmission tho. Try someone's drag tune and they go extremely fast with no burning up of the tires. Especially the r8, GTR, other 4wd cars.
 
shmogt
You haven't driven my Veyron than lol. That thing that accelerates like crazy. It's all about the transmission tho. Try someone's drag tune and they go extremely fast with no burning up of the tires. Especially the r8, GTR, other 4wd cars.
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Even when I set the Veyron's tranny to 300 kmh, there was a half second of lag... is it turbo lag? The Lamborghini Gallardo, Audi r8 v10, and Nissan GTR are a bit more responsive in the first instants...
How is the Citroen gt concept in power responsiveness?

In a race, this responsiveness is really important is the firs second of a race, to pull ahead of the competition and when pulling out of a turn...
 
Aaronrray
I've been driving my tesla a lot lately and I've noticed that when you start, the car has really sudden acceleration especially for it's power, as if all of it's power and torque are there at once without a ton of wheelspin...

My question is, what other cars have this?
The McLaren F1 and TVR speed 12 have it to an extent... The veyron, on the other hand (despite its extreme 0-60 time) starts slow...
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McLaren F1 and Speed 12? You just chose some of the worse launching cars in the game...
 
ENTERSANDMAN13
I think he means like crazy power at once ect..
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Still though, those aren't the cars that come to mind when someone says, "when you start, the car has really sudden acceleration especially for it's power"

@ OP, do you launch at low RPM's or rev the engine and then go?
 
Aaronrray
I've been driving my tesla a lot lately and I've noticed that when you start, the car has really sudden acceleration especially for it's power, as if all of it's power and torque are there at once without a ton of wheelspin...

My question is, what other cars have this?
The McLaren F1 and TVR speed 12 have it to an extent... The veyron, on the other hand (despite its extreme 0-60 time) starts slow...
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Isn't that because it's all electric and has instant torque?

Anyways, I feel most 4WD cars, especially the GTR's (wonder why.. :P) have a great launch and instant power.
The Bugatti Veyron has ferocious power on launch all the way upto it's top speed so maybe its just your Veyron that doesn't seem it.

Like said above, it's all about the transmission set up. Set too high and you'll get lag, like in my Supra, or the Ferrari F40 - most of the time this applies to only turbocharged cars.

Another car, which I don't know, but think based on the transmission theory should have sudden power is the Lexus IS-F. The gearing of the car and the number of gears ensure its in the peak power and when accelerating which is great.
 
ENTERSANDMAN13
I think he means like crazy power at once ect..
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if you want crazy power you need to use a nissan R92CP, i start in second gear and i still get wheelspin(said wheelspin continues even after 75mph) BUT it can still beat a highly tuned nissan GTR through the 1/4 mile
 
aadil717
Isn't that because it's all electric and has instant torque?

Anyways, I feel most 4WD cars, especially the GTR's (wonder why.. :P) have a great launch and instant power.
The Bugatti Veyron has ferocious power on launch all the way upto it's top speed so maybe its just your Veyron that doesn't seem it.

Like said above, it's all about the transmission set up. Set too high and you'll get lag, like in my Supra, or the Ferrari F40 - most of the time this applies to only turbocharged cars.

Another car, which I don't know, but think based on the transmission theory should have sudden power is the Lexus IS-F. The gearing of the car and the number of gears ensure its in the peak power and when accelerating which is great.
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It being electric probably plays a major role. Turbo lag is is major issue in quick off the line acceleration (HPA Stage II perfect example).

CNSpots1
if you want crazy power you need to use a nissan R92CP, i start in second gear and i still get wheelspin(said wheelspin continues even after 75mph) BUT it can still beat a highly tuned nissan GTR through the 1/4 mile
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I'm not so sure. I've tried tuning LMP cars and yes, they do have amazing acceleration...once they grip. But even when they hook up, the GT-R is already crossing the line.
 
aadil717
Isn't that because it's all electric and has instant torque?

Anyways, I feel most 4WD cars, especially the GTR's (wonder why.. :P) have a great launch and instant power.
The Bugatti Veyron has ferocious power on launch all the way upto it's top speed so maybe its just your Veyron that doesn't seem it.

Like said above, it's all about the transmission set up. Set too high and you'll get lag, like in my Supra, or the Ferrari F40 - most of the time this applies to only turbocharged cars.

Another car, which I don't know, but think based on the transmission theory should have sudden power is the Lexus IS-F. The gearing of the car and the number of gears ensure its in the peak power and when accelerating which is great.
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Have you seen the top gear McLaren F1 vs Veyron? The McLaren was dominating for the first several seconds until about halfway through or later
 
Aaronrray
Have you seen the top gear McLaren F1 vs Veyron? The McLaren was dominating for the first several seconds until about halfway through or later
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I'm sure Sir Hammond didn't give the Veyron the full beans, for promotional purposes. Think about it, Veyron destroying an F1, meh. F1 winning at first, Veyron dramatically reeling it back in, ooooo, ahhhhhh.

F1 0-60: 3.2 Seconds
Veyron 0-60: 2.46 Seconds
 
Let's stop arguing... I've noticed that the group c cars have start acceleration problems when I raced at daytona LTW race... Either that or my furai is just good like that... I'm gonna try that with the tesla roadster!
 
DaLightninRacer
I'm sure Sir Hammond didn't give the Veyron the full beans, for promotional purposes. Think about it, Veyron destroying an F1, meh. F1 winning at first, Veyron dramatically reeling it back in, ooooo, ahhhhhh.

F1 0-60: 3.2 Seconds
Veyron 0-60: 2.46 Seconds
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Well not sure, I've noticed that PD has these cars tuned down. I mean for example, the McF1 was supposed to go 240, stock, but it doesn't. And while I've never tested a Veyron stock, I doubt it does 253 stock. This isn't new news though. Maybe I just believe everything I hear about cars, maybe the McF1 and Veyron never did those insane speeds stock, but I don't think that's the case.
 
Aaronrray
I've been driving my tesla a lot lately and I've noticed that when you start, the car has really sudden acceleration especially for it's power, as if all of it's power and torque are there at once without a ton of wheelspin...
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Thats because the telsa is electric. Electric motors generate 100% tq instantly. So 200ish ft lb (equivalent) on command. It has a single gear, gearbox (not CVT) with a ratio of 8.X:1....hints the launch ability.
 
The reason the Tesla fires off like that is because electric motors produce ALL their available torque immediately, that's what makes them so interesting to performance car designers. A motor on each wheel, no wheelspin, bingo, off like a xxores drawers as they say. Another thing to think about is freight locos, how does a 100tonne diesel pull 3,000tonnes of dead load from a solid start to 30mph in 120secs with metal-metal traction through six solid axles? All down to the torque of the phat electric traction motors and low gearing.
 
Instant torque and low weight.

And Dylpro: The McLaren F1 did 231 stock. 241 with cats and rev limiter removed.
And the final gear ratio in GT5 is set 60mph too high :crazy:
 
Aaronrray
Have you seen the top gear McLaren F1 vs Veyron? The McLaren was dominating for the first several seconds until about halfway through or later
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I'm pretty sure that's down to the person driving the car.

In a game, unless you're driving manual, there isn't really much for human error, where-as in real life just like that Top Gear episode, there is.

The stats of the 0-60 time of both the cars also show that the Bugatti would dominate any day.
 
Aaronrray
Have you seen the top gear McLaren F1 vs Veyron? The McLaren was dominating for the first several seconds until about halfway through or later
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They didn't use launch control in the Veyron for the test.

They knew the Veyron would be faster, but launching the Veyron without any assists made for a more dramatic race.
 
Vegard
Instant torque and low weight.

And Dylpro: The McLaren F1 did 231 stock. 241 with cats and rev limiter removed.
And the final gear ratio in GT5 is set 60mph too high :crazy:
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But it doesn't do 231 stock! I've gotten it to 215 on Sarthe, maybe tunnel.
 
dylpro
Well not sure, I've noticed that PD has these cars tuned down. I mean for example, the McF1 was supposed to go 240, stock, but it doesn't. And while I've never tested a Veyron stock, I doubt it does 253 stock. This isn't new news though. Maybe I just believe everything I hear about cars, maybe the McF1 and Veyron never did those insane speeds stock, but I don't think that's the case.
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dylpro
But it doesn't do 231 stock! I've gotten it to 215 on Sarthe, maybe tunnel.
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If we had that VW test track that the Veyron made its run on in the game then maybe you could really test the top speed of the cars. IRL the Veyron did do 253, I don't know about the F1.
 
Aaronrray
Let's stop with the arguments, I'm sick of them!
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What arguments? We are just debating points, until we agree or agree to disagree.

dylpro
But it doesn't do 231 stock! I've gotten it to 215 on Sarthe, maybe tunnel.
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Yeah, mine's fully modded, with a full 200 BHP more can only just hit over 240MPH!
PD has messed that one up I think, but - I've never driven a McLaren F1 so I'll never know.. :P
 
Aaronrray
I've been driving my tesla a lot lately and I've noticed that when you start, the car has really sudden acceleration especially for it's power, as if all of it's power and torque are there at once without a ton of wheelspin...

My question is, what other cars have this?
The McLaren F1 and TVR speed 12 have it to an extent... The veyron, on the other hand (despite its extreme 0-60 time) starts slow...
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That's due to the weight of the car which directly affects the promptitude of acceleration as well as the torque of your car essential to produce adequate power at once, as for the Veyron the weight being nearly 2 tons, the pickup is relatively lower despite its overpowering torque far mightier than that of the Mclaren F1 or Ferrari 458.

But surely, extremely light weighted cars such as the Caterham is quite nimble in its acceleration not carrying surplus ballasts redundant for the car.
 
Answer: tesla is an electric.

F1 vs Veyron, are you reffering to Top Gear? They're an entertainment show, nothing more.
Veyron was driven by Hammond and he said he had launch control off to make for a better footage.
 

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