Fuel and Tires: What have you experienced?

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I've been reading multiple posts on various boards where people are complaining that they can do X laps and not have fuel or tire wear (argument is already null because one shouldn't be talking about laps per se as time on track , or more accurately how many laps for how long on WHICH track is more important). I'm wondering if anyone here has done well over an hour straight in FM4 and noticed no appreciable wear or fuel decrease at all.
 
Telemetry shows you exactly what your tire wear is mate.
Can't say about fuel haven't driven enough.
Forza 3 was about 40 minutes driving I think to run out of gas.
 
I have noticed fuel being used up, but tires seem to be quite rugged. I am not sure how realistic the rates are, but I know Forza 3's tire and fuel usage were on the generous side.
 
I know about telemetry (been playing since FM1 ;) ) what I'm asking is has anyone taken a car over the hour mark and what has their experience been. I haven't driven any races yet over an hour. Like you said, in FM3 at the 45 minute mark fuel was about gone and tires were fading on you.
 
Not sure t.o.
Try a lap of Le Sarthe and check the wear rate after a lap.
Should give you an impression of how many laps it would take to reach zero.

Obviously you would change your tires well before zero.
So the interesting fact is at what percentage do tires suffer enough degradation to seriously effect your lap? Do the tires fall of the fabled cliff? Or are they gradual.
Does the compound also come into effect?

t.o. Do me a favour and drive around for an hour and let me know tomorrow.

Cheers mate. Your a real star.
 
Not sure t.o.
Obviously you would change your tires well before zero.
So the interesting fact is at what percentage do tires suffer enough degradation to seriously effect your lap? Do the tires fall of the fabled cliff? Or are they gradual.

Which brings me to a point that seems overlooked in discussions about tire wear rates. They look at it in terms of how long you can run to reduce a tire to zero, but in real life nobody runs a tire to zero. Hypothetically, zero represents the point where your tires officially fail structurally, as in flying apart or whatever and no longer functioning as a tire.

In the movie Cars, Lightning McQueen experienced tire wear reducing his tires to zero on the final lap, resulting in a catastrophic tire failure and running on rims, and I pointed out to my wife that no driver would run a tire down that far because his lap times would be so terrible long before that point that he wouldn't be able to resist a tire change. Nobody ever runs a tire down to the rims in racing, ever.

I don't know what percentage you might figure to be the amount of wear that tires normally get changed, but from my experience watching F1 faithfully for the past several years I know that even if a driver runs a set of tires far longer than they were expected to reasonably last they're still far from complete failure. They may have far exceeded the range wherein they produce decent lap times, but they're far from completely falling apart, although they may be referred to as being in relatively horrible shape (relative to what you'd normally run them to). So, you might figure that they might swap them at something like 40% wear, and if you really want to push it run them farther to maybe 60%, but nobody ever runs them to the rims.

Now this year the FIA wanted the Pirelli tires to be deliberately frail, falling apart more rapidly than the Bridgestones were before, but this new and horrible rate of tire wear seen in the 2011 F1 season aren't indicative of what a tire should really run. Looking to previous years before the tires were artificially made flimsy, it was fully possible to run an entire race on a single set of tires, and there were times that we saw exactly that, with a tire change at the start or at the end to comply with the regulations that demand a compound change during the race. Here we're talking maybe 90 minutes on a single set of tires, and this isn't reducing them to nothing but rather they were still in decent condition (maybe 50%) at the end of 90 minutes. We're not talking about running these on a Prius, either, but a friggin' Formula One car.

Granted, Turn 10's tire data collaboration was with Pirelli, but that doesn't mean they intended to duplicate the deliberately high tire wear rates seen in the current F1 season.
 
Which brings me to a point that seems overlooked in discussions about tire wear rates. They look at it in terms of how long you can run to reduce a tire to zero, but in real life nobody runs a tire to zero. Hypothetically, zero represents the point where your tires officially fail structurally, as in flying apart or whatever and no longer functioning as a tire.

In the movie Cars, Lightning McQueen experienced tire wear reducing his tires to zero on the final lap, resulting in a catastrophic tire failure and running on rims, and I pointed out to my wife that no driver would run a tire down that far because his lap times would be so terrible long before that point that he wouldn't be able to resist a tire change. Nobody ever runs a tire down to the rims in racing, ever.

I don't know what percentage you might figure to be the amount of wear that tires normally get changed, but from my experience watching F1 faithfully for the past several years I know that even if a driver runs a set of tires far longer than they were expected to reasonably last they're still far from complete failure. They may have far exceeded the range wherein they produce decent lap times, but they're far from completely falling apart, although they may be referred to as being in relatively horrible shape (relative to what you'd normally run them to). So, you might figure that they might swap them at something like 40% wear, and if you really want to push it run them farther to maybe 60%, but nobody ever runs them to the rims.

Now this year the FIA wanted the Pirelli tires to be deliberately frail, falling apart more rapidly than the Bridgestones were before, but this new and horrible rate of tire wear seen in the 2011 F1 season aren't indicative of what a tire should really run. Looking to previous years before the tires were artificially made flimsy, it was fully possible to run an entire race on a single set of tires, and there were times that we saw exactly that, with a tire change at the start or at the end to comply with the regulations that demand a compound change during the race. Here we're talking maybe 90 minutes on a single set of tires, and this isn't reducing them to nothing but rather they were still in decent condition (maybe 50%) at the end of 90 minutes. We're not talking about running these on a Prius, either, but a friggin' Formula One car.

Granted, Turn 10's tire data collaboration was with Pirelli, but that doesn't mean they intended to duplicate the deliberately high tire wear rates seen in the current F1 season.

Interestingly enough, I found a youtube vid on the net the last night of an in-board car at the 24 Hour Nurburgring and the driver went well over an hour on. In the vid he didn't look as if his car was sliding all over the place from worn tires or anything. Looked like he could pull another hour to be honest. He pitted and they did a driver change and gave him fresh tires and fueled him up. I don't know but the fact is he DID do over an hour in the car.





EDIT: Forgot to add. You're right. Nobody , even in every day driving, will run there tires to absolute zero shredded, pieces flying off at 20 mph. I expect nobody to get to zero anyway (at least not without drag tires)
 
Interestingly enough, I found a youtube vid on the net the last night of an in-board car at the 24 Hour Nurburgring and the driver went well over an hour on. In the vid he didn't look as if his car was sliding all over the place from worn tires or anything. Looked like he could pull another hour to be honest. He pitted and they did a driver change and gave him fresh tires and fueled him up. I don't know but the fact is he DID do over an hour in the car.

You wont notice the difference really with used tyre with a professional driver watching the cockpit cam, the only way to notice is the sector time on the nurb to see if tyre are gone. A good driver will adapt his driving to his tyre state. I've watch countless number of SuperGT race and report and the only way to know they have trouble with tyre is lap time dropping and radio with the stand.
From inside cam, difference of speed is too low to see the difference.
 
Most big racing series specifically have their control tyre made to NOT last a very long time.

I remember reading an article not too long ago about Pirelli unofficial tests on some of their WIP racing slicks and the drivers were setting their fastest laps 150+km into a stint on them and they were far more grippy and responsive compared to their normal tyres.

These are the tyres Forzas are modelled on.
 
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