G.m.

[wana b drifter]

I've been thinking about this for a while now so heres what I've been thinking about GM lately. They seem to just copy everyone else. Some other company does something different or good and there right behind with something just like it but not nearlly as good. SRT-4 = Ion redline, RX-8 = SS concept. They also seem to throw SS logo on anything with mag wheels, monte carlo SS, impala SS etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the new camaro SS was just a cavalier with dual exhust. Then you get down to there total BS cars like caddy, CTS, buick Rendezvous, pontiac Aztec. Does anyone else think that GM just really sucks ass now. I mean they had some great cars in the past, but now....BS 👎

 

[Jay]

You really have something against GM dont you.

 

[Layzie]

I'm not a big fan of GM... all I have to say.

 

[wana b drifter]

You really have something against GM dont you.

I loved them a while back, but lately they've been total ****.

 

[ShobThaBob]

I've been thinking about this for a while now so heres what I've been thinking about GM lately. They seem to just copy everyone else. Some other company does something different or good and there right behind with something just like it but not nearlly as good. SRT-4 = Ion redline, RX-8 = SS concept. They also seem to throw SS logo on anything with mag wheels, monte carlo SS, impala SS etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the new camaro SS was just a cavalier with dual exhust. Then you get down to there total BS cars like caddy, CTS, buick Rendezvous, pontiac Aztec. Does anyone else think that GM just really sucks ass now. I mean they had some great cars in the past, but now....BS 👎

SRT4 = Ion redline? Well, Dodge is owned by GM, so that makes sense, even though theyre built very differently with radically different engines. RX8 = SS concept? Styling trends across the board have similarities...so I don't see the problem, especially considering the SS isn't even a production model. SS badging on any car? How is that any different from 40 years ago? Cool looking wheels, and a lot more performance than the base car = SS. And geez dude...the Pontiac Aztec is a really good car...you just think it's ugly...I say cry more.

 

[retsmah]

I'm not sure how the Cadillacs are "B.S.", the CTS (especially the V version) seems to be pretty awesome to me. The Corvette is one of the best, if not the best, sports car in the world.

They do make a lot of not so desireable cars, but then so do most car manufacturers. I think the problem with GM is that it seems like they make more because each car is rebadged as like ten different things

edit: Dodge is not owned by GM.

Also, the GTO is pretty sweet too

 

[neanderthal]

I loved them a while back, but lately they've been total ****.

someones gonna taste crow when the solstice comes out. but i guess they will have copied mazda then, right?
👎

 

[wana b drifter]

SRT4 = Ion redline? Well, Dodge is owned by GM, so that makes sense, even though theyre built very differently with radically different engines. RX8 = SS concept? Styling trends across the board have similarities...so I don't see the problem, especially considering the SS isn't even a production model. SS badging on any car? How is that any different from 40 years ago? Cool looking wheels, and a lot more performance than the base car = SS. And geez dude...the Pontiac Aztec is a really good car...you just think it's ugly...I say cry more.

Dodge is owned by GM RX-8 = SS concept they look just alike right down to the wheels. 40 years ago the SS badge was on cars with lots more proformace over the base model . not just any car with mags and dual exhust tips. I've seen the aztec inside out. have you? its ****.

 

[neanderthal]

the SS concept had how many horsepower?

i think it was in the mulitiples of hundred. lessee; blown 6 liter V8: im guessing 400plus.

 

[wana b drifter]

someones gonna taste crow when the solstice comes out. but i guess they will have copied mazda then, right?
👎

i like that car. it looks original and sounds pretty nice from what I've read, but you never know till it comes out. Look at the 05 stang. The concept had great sharp lines on it, then it comes out. it looks like the concept got censored. all the sharp lines look rounded.

 

[The359]

I've been thinking about this for a while now so heres what I've been thinking about GM lately. They seem to just copy everyone else.

You haven't looked at the Ford Five Hundred lately, have you?

Some other company does something different or good and there right behind with something just like it but not nearlly as good. SRT-4 = Ion redline

I'd say the Cobalt SS Supercharged is a closer comparison to the SRT-4. And how is it copying to make a hot small car, when the Japanese have been doing it for years?

RX-8 = SS concept.

Coincidence. The SS also shares a lot in common with a lot of classic GM vehicles.

They also seem to throw SS logo on anything with mag wheels, monte carlo SS, impala SS etc. I wouldn't be surprised if the new camaro SS was just a cavalier with dual exhust.

All of those cars have had hot SS versions in the past. Again, retro. And what's wrong with the faster versions of the Monte Carlo, Impala, and Cobalt? These cars do not have mere styling additions, they ARE faster and more powerful then their stock counterparts.

Then you get down to there total BS cars like caddy, CTS

The car many people say will save the Cadillac brand. Much better then the Catera.

buick Rendezvous

Beautiful interior and one of the best selling models for the brand, especially for the younger generation.

pontiac Aztec.

Ford Edsel, Chrysler K-Cars...mistakes that every company makes.

Does anyone else think that GM just really sucks ass now. I mean they had some great cars in the past, but now....BS 👎

I can't say they excite me, but I wont say they suck ass or that they are BS.

 

[Drifting Thunda]

Ford and GM are generally my favorites but they have both been making some dumb decisions lately. Not that I agree with everything wana b drifter is saying. Some of that is just his opinion.

 

[skip0110]

1) Chevy SSR copies who now?
2) The Silverado SS has a 6.0 L 345 hp V8 and AWD. The Ion Red Line hass 200 hp and 200ft-lbs torque. Thats as much hp and more torque than a RSX. The Cobalt SS is expected to have the same. You'll have a hard time calling these cars "just throwing mags on it".
3) The SS concept has 430 hp and 430 ft-lbs tq. The RX-8 will have to slink away with it's wankel between it's legs. (Normally I wouldn't compare concept cars to production cars, but since you brought it up....)

 

[Joey D]

Wow yet another uneducated automotive person. Just go out and read car and driver for god sakes and you will see the SS brands aren't just mag wheels.

 

[TwinTurboJay]

^ I am to agree for the most part with Blazin....People who know **** about cars should stay away from talking about them, esp. in a place where most people are car freaks. Although the badge slapping happened alot with domestic cars in the 90's, to early 2000.

Dodge / Chrysler had the "twister" on a dodge shadow, also had charger that did very little to the namesake ( but that was 80's )...

Gm messed around alot with names like the Monte Carlo, and Monte Carlo SS,

Ford screwed up the Marauder, and a few other titles...


But I don;t think you can state that anymore, the big three are really hitting 'em outa the park lately, and aren't just slapping badges on crap to sell them ( so it seems ) 5 years ago, I swore off domestic cars ( all this domestic talk, its domestic to North America, so please excuse me rest of known world )

Now, me thinks its time to take another look.

 

[skip0110]

Dodge / Chrysler had the "twister" on a dodge shadow, also had charger that did very little to the namesake ( but that was 80's )...

The Charger was fast for what was not really a time of great performance. 0-60 in around 5.5 to 5.9 I think and high 13's in the quarter was better than the Camaros of the same time period. Granted, it was FWD, but.....

Gm messed around alot with names like the Monte Carlo, and Monte Carlo SS,

Yeah, those were shameful. As is the current Monte Carlo SS.

Ford screwed up the Marauder, and a few other titles...

The Maurader is all right. The engine is good, the gearing kills it. Swap the rear-gear and it'lll have a lot more kick.

 

[wana b drifter]

Wow yet another uneducated automotive person. Just go out and read car and driver for god sakes and you will see the SS brands aren't just mag wheels.

How much do you know about me? You just read one BS thread I made to see if anyone else feels the same about GM as i do. For gods sakes TAKE IT FOR WHAT IT IS! I still say the SS brands are just BS and mag wheels to help raise sells. Car & driver's not ganna change my mind. Also don't belive everthing you read, some of it might not be true 💡

 

[wana b drifter]

You haven't looked at the Ford Five Hundred lately, have you?

not at all.

I'd say the Cobalt SS Supercharged is a closer comparison to the SRT-4. And how is it copying to make a hot small car, when the Japanese have been doing it for years?

Dodge has been doing it almost just as long. Omni GLH-S. The SRT-4 came out and its almost just like the concept turbo, no mufflers, and 220hp+. then that pos barbie car with a belt driven hair dryier comes out, the Ion redline.

Coincidence. The SS also shares a lot in common with a lot of classic GM vehicles.

and even more from the new mazda RX-8

The car many people say will save the Cadillac brand. Much better then the Catera.

I hate it. Its over rated and looks like crap.

Beautiful interior and one of the best selling models for the brand, especially for the younger generation.

The interior looks just as bad. That is just crap nothing would of ever saved it. Not even a "beautiful interior".

I can't say they excite me, but I wont say they suck ass or that they are BS.

I will.

 

[MistaX]

Wow, You're an idiot.

People like you need to learn to apreciate cars for what they are.
Of course there'll be cars you don't like, or that you do, thats part of being an enthusiast, but also being a true enthusiast means that you can live with anything.

I'm unbiased. Which means that I like every manufacturer, I look at cars for what they are.


Dodge is not owned by GM. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard. It's owned by DiamlerChrysler.


Anyway, no ones stealing designs. They're riding on the popluar design trend called "RETRO DESIGN"

And another thing, If you think you have a right to make fun of a companies cars, why not go build your own, from scratch. Make something better, and cheaper.

The ION Redline is 202Hp. The SRT4 is 220. The Redline sucks, the SRT4 could beat anything in it's class.

Otherwise, heres my true answer:
STFU until you drive everything you just dissed.

Edit: And another thing, most of the higher-end older American Muscle (GTO, Camaro, Any SS, etc) Can kick the crap out of any stupid car you pull out of Initial D in a straight line.

 

[MazKid]

I actually like G.M. for 1 reason - they're happy to get rid of the Cavalier.

The SS looked very much like a big RX-8. And any pride in a concept car's estimated power is useless. The SS will never exist. Good. The SSR is junk. I've seen maybe 5 on the road. My brother knows someone that bought one then sold it back to the dealership because it had problems with the convertable top.
Becides that, it's mediocre. I wouldn't buy a GM. The GTO is probably the only one I'd ever even think of driving, and much of that comes from what it use to be(a Holden). The Catera was actually a respectable looking car, but with Opel engineering, well, meh.
One of my friends who just bought a Ion Red-Line(against all of his friends suggestions) just had the transmission die. Wouldn't shift to 5th on the highway, then when he tried to shift back to forth it didn't do that. He pulled over on the side of the highway and tried to get it in first, no luck. OOOHH but it's a "RedLine"! Saturn's Rice department. It's sad that they can cook rice, but have to keep thier plastic cars away from the heat.
I could go on, but I'll leave you with a final thought:
My dealership still has some 16 Oldsmobiles...

 

[The359]

I still say the SS brands are just BS and mag wheels to help raise sells.

Cobalt Stock/LS/LT:
145hp 2.2L Inline-4

Cobalt SS:
205hp 2.0L Supercharged Inline-4

Monte Carlo LS:
180hp 3.4L V6

Monte Carlo SS:
240hp 3.8L Supercharged V6

Impala LS:
180hp 3.4L V6

Impala SS:
240hp 3.8L Supercharged V6

Tell me again that the SS models are just some special exterior bits?

Dodge has been doing it almost just as long. Omni GLH-S. The SRT-4 came out and its almost just like the concept turbo, no mufflers, and 220hp+. then that pos barbie car with a belt driven hair dryier comes out, the Ion redline.

If you think Dodge was the first company to turbocharge their small car, you are sadly mistaken. And the SRT-4 has a muffler...

By the way, HONDA had a hand in the development of the ION Redline.

I hate it. Its over rated and looks like crap.

Your opinion of styling is not everyone. It's a popular vehicle and definately far from overrated.

The interior looks just as bad. That is just crap nothing would of ever saved it. Not even a "beautiful interior".

You've obviously never been in one. And you do realize that the Buick Rendezvous is still being made, right? Only the Aztek is cancelled.

 

[The359]

I could go on, but I'll leave you with a final thought:
My dealership still has some 16 Oldsmobiles...

Any Final 500 Editions?

 

[///M]

Actually, considering GM were the first to use precision manufacturing, mass produce the V8, and the automatic transmission (all by Cadillac), I'd say that everyone else has copied them. , considering they are probably the most significant inventions to ever come into the automotive world, after Henrys Model T of course. If ya can call them inventions

 

[MazKid]

Any Final 500 Editions?

Yes, I think we have 1 or 2 Final 500 Bravadas. Come in for a test drive!

 

[The359]

Yes, I think we have 1 or 2 Final 500 Bravadas. Come in for a test drive!

👍

 

[Sage]

Well, Dodge is owned by GM,

Woah, hello!


Anyway, GM doesn't have as much going for it at the moment as DaimlerChrysler does, but it's still got plenty going (especially those shnazzy commercials! ). I haven't been in a Cobalt, but I really do hope that it's a genuinely good little car, because it's got a lot riding on its shoulders. Too bad it'll be hard to shake off the Cavalier connection.

Cadillac's doing fine, huzzah for them, but for pete's sake drop the stupid and cheap-looking crosshatch air vents. I don't know about Saab – part of me says good for them for using platform sharing to lift up the previously dying brand, part of me says the brand has been officially bastardized now. The jury here will sit out for a few years and see what happens.

The new Buick LaCrosse looks like a nice car, but I have serious doubts that it'll carry the company enough to make a big difference. Honestly, I can't remember the last time I saw a new Buick (I see plenty of the 15-year old ones that high school kids drive).

Saturn seems to be doing okay-ish… I've been very surprised at how popular the Ion is. The Vue is selling like hotcakes around here. Is the L-Series dead yet?

As for Chevrolet/GMC, it's a bit of a mixed bag. The Colorado and Canyon are already behind in the small truck (or is it called midsize now) division, and lord knows how long it'll be before they're updated. Their full-size trucks and SUVs have enough cachet to carry them for a while longer, even though they're in need of a revision. I've lost track of the Envoy/Trailblazer, but I assume they're falling behind in the midsize SUV arena, and quite frankly, they don't see to be selling too well. We all know the Corvette's doing fine. Does anybody still buy the Impala and Monte Carlo?

I'm prepared to be disappointed with the new minivan-SUV-crossover things that GM's ready to unleash – the Saturn Relay is the only name that I can remember off the top of my head, but I know it spans a couple other GM divisions. I don't see why one would get one of those in light of a real minivan or a real SUV.

Wow, I'm rambled a lot and didn't really say anything. Sorry!

 

[neanderthal]

i would say that the domestics tend to have solo home runs, while the big three japanese tend to be more steady.

cars like the aztek and thunderbird really give ford and GM a black eye. abject failures on the market, they diminish the good work being done by cars like the corvette, CTS, focus etc. whereas nissan, toyota and honda seem to manage to sell pretty much everything they make.

 

[The359]

I'm prepared to be disappointed with the new minivan-SUV-crossover things that GM's ready to unleash – the Saturn Relay is the only name that I can remember off the top of my head, but I know it spans a couple other GM divisions. I don't see why one would get one of those in light of a real minivan or a real SUV.

Saturn Relay (cheap minivan), Chevrolet Uplander (standard minivan), Pontiac Montana SV6 (sport minivan...seriously, that's what the SV6 stands for), and Buick Terraza (luxury minivan). I too see them failing horribly against the Toyota, Chrysler, and Honda minivans. Underpowered and not very unique.

 

[Omnis]

i would say that the domestics tend to have solo home runs, while the big three japanese tend to be more steady.

cars like the aztek and thunderbird really give ford and GM a black eye. abject failures on the market, they diminish the good work being done by cars like the corvette, CTS, focus etc. whereas nissan, toyota and honda seem to manage to sell pretty much everything they make.

good point.

i will comment on the rendezvous though...i think that car is uglier than bad ham. its just odd...buick really needs to do something about their tail lights. eek.

however, the rainier (not sure how its spelled, but their other SUV) looks great. it's a giant improvement in the looks department imo, and im sure the interior is just as good or better than what the rendezvous has/had to offer.

 

[The359]

The Rainier is just your typical TrailBlazer/Envoy/Bravada/Ascender/9-7X, so the interior will look just like it, although it definately shares most of its exterior styling from the Bravada which is technically replaces.

Having worked at a Buick dealership I still think that the Rendezvous has a beautiful interior, especially in comparison to the other vehicles that Buick has to offer.