G27-GT4-PS2- Stick shift not working ??

[Sunbeam]

Hello,



This is my first post :-)



I can't get the G27 stick shift to work on GT4 via my PS2, only the paddle shift works. Also the rev lights do not work during game play. Is this a PS2 problem or is my stick shift broken? The wheel is brand new, only been in my house 1 hour.



Will I need to move to a PS3 and GT5 for the stick shift to work?



Many thanks

 

[Gdog96]

Th shift stick and the lights don't work with GT4, not even sure if they work with any PS2 game. So yes, if you want to use the stick shift get a PS3 or a PC (PS3 is cheaper).

 

[1241Penguin]

As far as I'm aware, the H-shifter and clutch does not work with GT4, the last time I checked. Now, I'm not sure if this applies to ALL PS2 games, but with GT4, it definitely doesn't work.

 

[mykem]

As far as I'm aware, the H-shifter and clutch does not work with GT4, the last time I checked. Now, I'm not sure if this applies to ALL PS2 games, but with GT4, it definitely doesn't work.

That's exactly the reason why. GT4 unlike GT5P or GT5 doesn't support clutch and H-gated shifter. With my G25, I can only use the stick shifter in the sequential mode (unlike the G27, you can switch the stick shifter between H-gated and sequential). And the paddle shifter on the G25 works as well.

 

[Sunbeam]

Thank you for the replies

I'm taking the G27 back tomorrow anyway. The Feedback is awful and there is no 'conect' 'feel' between the car and the driver. I am way quicker on the hand controller and have way more 'feel', odly ??

Maybe because I've been on hand controllers for 20 years ?

When I get a PS3-GT5P I may try the porsche carrera wheel (belt drive) It seems it's a better wheel than the G27. I keep reading and watching (youtube) that the G27 is a fantastic wheel, maybe it's just me??

Thanks guys, you really helped me 👍

 

[mykem]

AFAIK the Fanatec Carrera wheel is also gear driven like the G27. You need either the GT2 or the newer CSR/-E wheels or Thrustmaster T500RS if you want belt driven wheel.

 

[Mahnegold]

After 20 years of controller driving, I think you just need more time to get used to the wheel. Otherwise you will be disappointed with any wheel.

 

[Sunbeam]

Is it just me or is the FFB a bit all over the place on the G27/GT4 ?

Am I expecting to much from a wheel ?

I thought maybe the 'offical' GT4 wheel (one of the ones in the GT4 menu) would work better ??

What is the best wheel?


Thanks.

 

[Mahnegold]

I used GT4 with the official wheel, the Logitech DFP. It was my first FFB experience and I liked it very much. But I didn't come from a controller, but from non-FFB wheels on PC. So I was already used to wheels, but not to FFB.

 

[Gdog96]

I think you will regret sending back your G27, wheels always feel strange at first but you will get the hang of it soon enough, it just takes practice...soon enough you will never go back to a controller.

 

[1241Penguin]

Just wondering, have you driven a car before in real life? If not, that's probably why you're not used to it yet.

 

[Sunbeam]

Did you find the FFB side of the Logitech DFP 'locked in' ?

I found the G27's FFB was all over the place and nothing like what you would expect to feel. I know its only a game but I've race Karts for real for many years and held a UK driving licence for 23 years, so I have an idea of 'feel', but the G27 kicks all over the place and wants to fight you when the road is straight and smooth?? There also seems to be a dead spot in the middle where the FFB is off ?

What is the best offical GT4/5 wheel ? I'll buy one of those and give it another try. For now I'm on PS2 GT4, but will move to PS3 GT5P at some point. I don't mind loosing some functions while still on GT4. I'm hoping the best offical wheel will still fully work on GT4.

Thanks for your help

 

[NjLowrider]

The g27 is a great wheel. I've gone from controller only for 20 years to a g27 about 2 years ago. I think gt4 might not feel the same as gt5 because I still drive gt5 everyday since release. It's an amazing experience for me. Takes a good month to feel fast and comfortable with a wheel. My first day was a MESS!

 

[Sunbeam]

Is your G27 FFB locked in or is it irratic?

 

[Gdog96]

Is your G27 FFB locked in or is it irratic?

Try turning it down..

 

[Sunbeam]

It's not the fact it needs turning down, the FFB is just not in the right place or the right time. When going down a main straight on a smooth tarmac track, it's a little like rallying at times. It just kicks and pulls for no reason I can see. There is a total disconect. I would say it only kicks and pulls at the right time about 30% of the time ?

Maybe I've just got a bad G27?

 

[Mahnegold]

GT4 (and even GT5) has a FFB-issue. It occurs with high downforce cars. For example when driving a Group C sports car like the Sauber C9 on the Le Mans circuit down the long straight, you need almost the complete track because the wheel is shaking left-right-left-right.....

On Fanatec wheels you can add some dead-zone to solve this problem. On T500 I never noticed this issue. But with my DFP@GT4 it was extremely strong. It was a real fight with these cars and hard to believe, that this is realistic (see on-board videos on youtube from this era).

AFAIK all Logitech wheels (and Fanatec wheels without dead-zone) suffer from this problem.

 

[Sunbeam]

Thank you for that

I've now returned the G27 to Curry's, that was a pitty as I like the whole thing other than the FFB. I bought a Driving force Pro from Argos (offical GT wheel with the red ring) to try, fully expecting to return it with the same issue,

but NO!! IT FEELS GOOD

Sad I've lost the cool leather, nice metal peddles and seperate shifter consol , but I can now drive OK

For later on, what is the very best wheel to buy when I get my PS3 GT5P ??

I'm thinking Thrustmaster T500RS + TH8RS ??????

Thanks for your help

 

[Mahnegold]

When I understand correctly you own a DFGT now, not a DFP. So this is fine for GT5P and GT5 as well. It is the official GT5P wheel.

 

[mykem]

Also GT4 FFB and physics is about two generations (at least) behind that of GT5. You don't feel the weight or the front tires at all. Personally, I hated and couldn't stand GT4.

 

[Sunbeam]

Also GT4 FFB and physics is about two generations (at least) behind that of GT5. You don't feel the weight or the front tires at all. Personally, I hated and couldn't stand GT4.

TOTALLY.

I've found I can feel nothing at all, it all has to be done by instinct. It's more fun now with the new wheel than a pad but there is room for improvment The G27 was making it very hard. I'll get my moneys worth out of the set-up I have now, and buy the PS3/GT5 combo just as the PS4 hits the shops. I should be able to buy a new shop fresh PS3 at that point for much less money?

This is the wheel I now have

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Product/partNumber/9004179.htm

Thanks

 

[kingcars]

It's not the fact it needs turning down, the FFB is just not in the right place or the right time. When going down a main straight on a smooth tarmac track, it's a little like rallying at times. It just kicks and pulls for no reason I can see. There is a total disconect. I would say it only kicks and pulls at the right time about 30% of the time ?

Maybe I've just got a bad G27?

I think you need to learn 2 things.

1) A lot of people here have good advice as far as racing wheels and how to tune them. It is actually a matter of turning the FFB down, because FFB that is set too high will cause the exact issue you complained about on the straightaways. The reason you don't have the issue on the DFGT is because its FFB is much weaker, therefore the default settings aren't too high.

2) Don't expect a wheel to feel perfect out of the box. It usually takes me a few days to get a wheel set the way I like it.

Though now that you've seriously downgraded your wheel, I guess it's too late. But please let this serve as a lesson in the future. If you think the G27's FFB was too strong, you'll be returning any other high end wheel (like a T500) within minutes of plugging it in.

 

[Sunbeam]

I don't regret returning the G27 at all. There were no instructions on how to turn down the FFB on the G27 in the box and thus far have not been offered that information via this thread. the options for turning down the FFB on GT4 is limited to just two options that I can find and I had it set to the lower setting on the G27. As I said many times, the G27's FFB was irratic and not in the right place you would expect. The new DFGT I now have is much better if not the best wheel. The FFB although not as strong seems to be in about the right place. I am more than happy with it and it will do me until I get GT5.

Anyway, thank you all for your help.

Thanks 👍

 

[kingcars]

I don't regret returning the G27 at all. There were no instructions on how to turn down the FFB on the G27 in the box and thus far have not been offered that information via this thread. the options for turning down the FFB on GT4 is limited to just two options that I can find and I had it set to the lower setting on the G27. As I said many times, the G27's FFB was irratic and not in the right place you would expect. The new DFGT I now have is much better if not the best wheel. The FFB although not as strong seems to be in about the right place. I am more than happy with it and it will do me until I get GT5.

Anyway, thank you all for your help.

Thanks 👍

Lol, you're not listening. First off, GT4 is not a game on which you should judge any racing wheel. It's very outdated and will not be compatible with newer wheels. Second, the FFB is not turned down via the wheel, it's turned down via the game. Only Fanatec wheels have an onboard settings menu, Logitech wheels do not. And like I keep saying, the REASON it was "irratic and not in the right place" is because it was set too high. And the reason you DONT have that issue with the DFGT is because it's based on the also outdated Driving Force Pro and has very weak FFB. I can take my Fanatec GT3RS right now, crank up the FFB way too high, go into any driving sim on PC, and recreate the exact issue you described. It's not because of the wheel, it's because you didn't have it set properly (or its compatiliby with the 8 year old PS2 game isn't the best). If you only plan to play GT4, I can see your point...the DFGT is probably a better wheel for it since it's such an old game. But if you want GT5 in the future, I'd say youre making a huge mistake.

 

[Gdog96]

PERSONALLY I think you should have persevered with the G27 abit more....but then again....if you are happier with the DFGT, then that's all that matters, the DFGT is still a great wheel especially for beginners and if you feel you want to upgrade theres nothing stopping you from giving the G27 another try...prices will only go down.

 

[kingcars]

PERSONALLY I think you should have persevered with the G27 abit more....but then again....if you are happier with the DFGT, then that's all that matters, the DFGT is still a great wheel especially for beginners and if you feel you want to upgrade theres nothing stopping you from giving the G27 another try...prices will only go down.

I bet if he had GT5 instead of GT4, this would have been a totally different story. Seems like the G27 is just a bit too beefy for old GT4. I loved my Driving Force Pro on GT4; it worked well with that weak FFB motor so I'd bet that the newer, more powerful FFB motors are likely too much for it.

 

[Sunbeam]

Kingcars, your starting to get offencive!

I did all the research I could via the net and Youtube.

If you read my posts, I have already told you that I did turn down the FFB via the GAME !!

Others have already said here that GT4 has some problems with FFB.

On my PS2/GT4/G27 :-
The clutch didn't work,
The shifter didn't work,
The rev lights didn't work,
Non of the buttons had markings,
The FFB was way off, (even with it turned down ON THE GAME)
There was a dead spot in the middle,
And all these problems for £180!

Now with the DFGT:-
The shifter works,
All the buttons have markings,
The FFB works much better (all be it a little softer),
There is no dead spot,
And it cost £70 LESS !!!!!

If the G27 is so good, why does it not come with instructions! are we expected to be born with the information to use it? At the end of the day I didn't see you imparting your wealth of knowledge onto me to help me with the G27, just scorn !

Please BACK OFF!!!

 

[Gdog96]

Kingcars, your starting to get offencive!

I did all the research I could via the net and Youtube.

If you read my posts, I have already told you that I did turn down the FFB via the GAME !!

Others have already said here that GT4 has some problems with FFB.

On my PS2/GT4/G27 :-
The clutch didn't work,
The shifter didn't work,
The rev lights didn't work,
Non of the buttons had markings,
The FFB was way off, (even with it turned down ON THE GAME)
There was a dead spot in the middle,
And all these problems for £180!

Now with the DFGT:-
The shifter works,
All the buttons have markings,
The FFB works much better (all be it a little softer),
There is no dead spot,
And it cost £70 LESS !!!!!

If the G27 is so good, why does it not come with instructions! are we expected to be born with the information to use it? At the end of the day I didn't see you imparting your wealth of knowledge onto me to help me with the G27, just scorn !

Please BACK OFF!!!

Where did you get your G27, mine came with instructions..all be it brief.

 

[kingcars]

The G27 shows you how to hook it up...what else is there to know about it? It calibrates by itself on Playstation (on PC you just install drivers) and the rest is handled by the game.

Also, I mentioned that the G27 is a new wheel and that GT4 is an ancient PS2 game that won't support its features. That's why a lot of stuff doesn't work in GT4. Plug the G27 into GT5 and those issues will magically disappear. The DFGT works with GT4 because it is based on equally old technology; it may be nice now, but when you upgrade to newer/better sims, you'll be missing out big time. It would be like if I took my GT3RS and tried playing Daytona USA...of course the features aren't going to work. It's not because of the wheel, it's because I plugged it into an ancient game that was made before those features existed. If you had done your research before buying the G27 to use on GT4, you would have known that; that's what I meant before.

I apoligize if I came off "offensive." It was not my intent. I just felt like you blew off some perfectly good advice in here and, as a result, downgraded your wheel to match a completely outdated game. If GT4 is the only game you want to play, that's perfectly fine. But you're selling yourself terribly short whenever you get better and newer sims.

 

[Sunbeam]

GT4 is the only game I want to play until I buy a PS3/GT5 next year. Then I'll go all out and buy a Thrustmaster T500RS + TH8RS, seems like a nice set-up :-)

So the DFGT matches my set-up well for now and everything works with this wheel on GT4 :-)

Thanks.