G27 or CSR?

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I would've imagined there was a thread on this, but I can't seem to be able to search for one.
I have owned a stock DFGT for over a year and a half now and I'm looking to upgrade. I have been looking at the Fanatec CSR value pack XL that's about $360 and comes with CSR-E pedals among other things. The G27 is about $300. The thing is that I'm not sure which wheel is better, I'm sort of leaning towards the CSR.
Or should I wait for the CSW, hoping the CSR-E will go down in price and buy a CSR-E. (I'm not in a real big hurry, I may buy a new wheel in 1 month or maybe several months from now, I'm not sure, my biggest problem is that I can't make up my mind).

Also, if I had gotten the CSR-E pedals that came with the CSR, are they as good of pedals as the CSP's, or are the CSP's way better and I should upgrade to those instead?
 
The csr-e will likely only go down in price by the air freight cost of $40. If you really aren't in a hurry you can get a g27 for $189 Shipped new on a deal. Do you intend to play xbox games? If not I would save the $170 + shipping
 
I think actual wheel wise they will probably feel about the same, belt feedback is smoother but both are strong. Theres been complaints over the actual build quality of the CSR however.

Pedal wise, Fanatecs ones win, whichever ones you get. CSP V2 due out soon too with progressive clutch and hydraulic brake.

In your shoes I would get the 911 GT3 RS wheel with CSR or CSP V2 pedals (when released). Still belt driven, still feels excellent but is cheaper as it doesn't need to support the 360. And as you don't have a 360 its not a sacrifice.
 
I have both... and I still haven't decided which one I like more. They have their trade-offs. Somethings I like better on one wheel rather than the other. Granted I haven't spent a whole lot of time with the CSR in anything other than Forza 4...

Oh, but those pedals are gorgeous... I just wish the plate wasn't so big and required me to drill everything to hard mount it.
 
Is the 360 compatibility pretty much the only reason the CSR more expensive? I like that option, is it possible to buy the 911 GT3 RS CSR edition package except with CSP's instead of CSR pedals? The website is sort of difficult to navigate

Edit: I can't seem to find CSP's on their website, just the accessories that go with them
Edit 2: they appear on the products page but not the buy products page
 
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Keep in mind that for 75$ (plus shipping) you can get a load cell mod for the G27 pedals (apelectrix). So even with that you need less money as for the CSR package.

Lot's of iRacers use G27 (the majority!) and GT5 is fully supported since patch 2.0 :)
 
Roush_fan_99
Is the 360 compatibility pretty much the only reason the CSR more expensive? I like that option, is it possible to buy the 911 GT3 RS CSR edition package except with CSP's instead of CSR pedals? The website is sort of difficult to navigate

Edit: I can't seem to find CSP's on their website, just the accessories that go with them
Edit 2: they appear on the products page but not the buy products page
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Yes that's basically the only reason. Microsoft charges you big for that license. The rim on the Gt3rs is better than the csr also. The downside is the paddles are just buttons.

CSP's aren't on the site, I would guess, because they are waiting for CSP v2 to be available.
 
ibuycheap
Yes that's basically the only reason. Microsoft charges you big for that license. The rim on the Gt3rs is better than the csr also. The downside is the paddles are just buttons.

CSP's aren't on the site, I would guess, because they are waiting for CSP v2 to be available.
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The gt3 looks the business, and don't forget you can get addition paddles (aluminium or carbon fibre) from Fanatec.
 
swamidude
The gt3 looks the business, and don't forget you can get addition paddles (aluminium or carbon fibre) from Fanatec.
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You can, but it doesn't change the paddle action. I have the aluminum paddles on the GT2 and the paddles on the G27, CSR and Elite, and T500RS are much nicer.
 
Paddles aren't a problem, if it comes down to that I'll just get the add-ons, I currently have a DFGT (stock) and it doesn't bother me as long as I get a sequential and H-Pattern.
 
I don't know how long this will last, but Logitech has open box G27s on sale for $149.99: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/promotional-items/8613?ClickID=dbkhymotckb02htbmn2cnkwbktwbccswsyoo

Regarding GT5 though, I think it's best if whatever you get can be connected to the wheel, so it's recognized as a single unit. PC games will support multiple controllers, but on the console (GT5 at least, don't know about others), the game will assign the wheel to controller port 1 every time you launch it, so you have to use the extra controller to go into the XMB and reassign it to port 1. With standalone pedals, there may not be a way to reassign them to port 1 because they don't come with a PS button, D-pad, and X button.
 
JogoAsobi
Be advised that they only carry a 30-day warranty.
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Yeah, that's why I probably would just get a new one for around $60 more. I was throwing it out there as a possibility.

Although, if you mod the pedals the warranty is toast anyway. I don't know if that extends to the wheel and shifter, but I would think it does.
 
JogoAsobi
I would suggest taking reliability and customer service turn around time into your decision process.
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Ya, that's why I'm really sort of stuck, Jav's 3rd Fanatec load cell this year just broke, I am unsure. 36% of iRacers use a G27 (from TWISR's poll), and that's what I keep hearing is that Fanatec customer service isn't the best.

I've never hear anything good or bad about logitech though. Would it be worth it to pick up a G27 and it's load cell mod, and a set of CSP's just for iRacing (that's where the majority of my sim time goes) or no CSP's if I like the G27's

I honestly can't make a firm decision

Edit: the G27 doesn't come with a sequential, but I was planning on getting a DSD pro sequential sometime in the future anyway
 
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JogoAsobi
I would suggest taking reliability and customer service turn around time into your decision process.
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Yes, that should factor in. When I had warranty issues with a Driving Force Pro, they sent me an entire replacement retail package, while letting me keep the old one. So I wound up with spare parts. Response was also pretty quick, though shipping took a while. Overall though, Logitech is a big, mature company that has their logistics down. They also have a huge retail presence, which can be huge. For example, bought a G27 from Amazon and had it die after two weeks? Amazon would exchange it for you faster than you could say "fahrvergnügen".

Fanatec does honor their warranty, but sometimes you need to follow up and "remind" them to get back to you from what I've heard. I had to bug them after a couple of days for a pre-sales question myself. I think Fanatec products are awesome, but they're in Germany and I'm in the US, and everything is direct order. If something goes wrong, my only recourse is to go through them, and it can take time. Knock on wood, I've never had any real issues with them.
 
MildAshers
I would go for this.

http://www.fanatec.de/webshop/new_usa/product_info.php?cPath=21&products_id=113&osCsid=f653caadd6290c20cf0bfa72017ee95e
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That's what I'm looking at, it's now between that and the G27.

If Fanatec set up a distributor in North America, I would probably go with them, simply because response time would reduce quite significantly, I would imagine.

I like the G27 but the pedals look terrible (plastic, I'm not saying functionality), and it just doesn't look as good as the GT3. And I really like the GT3 RS, but customer service is an issue, and the T500RS is just a little out of my budget

I've never had a single problem with my DFGT, it's just that I'm looking for a clutch and possibly better FFB, and a 6-speed

Edit: I just thought, does Fanatec or Logitech do Black Friday/ Cyber Monday discounts?
 
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Roush_fan_99
That's what I'm looking at, it's now between that and the G27.

If Fanatec set up a distributor in North America, I would probably go with them, simply because response time would reduce quite significantly, I would imagine.
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They do have US distribution, but it's not always clear to me if US customers wind up dealing with them or with the main office in Germany for support questions.

I like the G27 but the pedals look terrible (plastic, I'm not saying functionality), and it just doesn't look as good as the GT3. And I really like the GT3 RS, but customer service is an issue, and the T500RS is just a little out of my budget

I've never had a single problem with my DFGT, it's just that I'm looking for a clutch and possibly better FFB, and a 6-speed

Edit: I just thought, does Fanatec or Logitech do Black Friday/ Cyber Monday discounts?
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The G27 pedals are actually pretty decent. Even though the base is plastic, it's quite beefy and sturdy. However, I'm spoiled by the load cell brake and longer clutch and throttle throw in my ClubSport Pedals.

As for sales, sometimes Logitech sends coupons to mailing list subscribers. Other times they'll have weekend sales in their online store. If you're lucky you can get a G27 that way for well under $200. I don't remember any particular rhyme or reason.

Fanatec seems to offer bundles now and then, especially around the Winter shopping season. I think the best bet is to check Fanatec's blog regularly.

Finally, Amazon gets very aggressive during the Winter season. I've seen the G27 fall below $200, and the T500RS will sometimes drop to around $450.
 
I never had issue with my Carrera. No issue either with the CSR Elite pedals. Only issue was with standard pedals and service from Fanatec was curteous and efficient.
I believe Fanatec service issues have been addressed. They have a fantastic product and my next wheel will be an other Fanatec.
 
Roush_fan_99
That's what I'm looking at, it's now between that and the G27.

If Fanatec set up a distributor in North America, I would probably go with them, simply because response time would reduce quite significantly, I would imagine.

I like the G27 but the pedals look terrible (plastic, I'm not saying functionality), and it just doesn't look as good as the GT3. And I really like the GT3 RS, but customer service is an issue, and the T500RS is just a little out of my budget

I've never had a single problem with my DFGT, it's just that I'm looking for a clutch and possibly better FFB, and a 6-speed

Edit: I just thought, does Fanatec or Logitech do Black Friday/ Cyber Monday discounts?
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I prefer G27 over Gt3/Gt2. Here lately I found G27 ffb seems to be easier on my wrist than Gt2.
 
Definitely the CSR's.

Right now you can get a package deal, CSR pedals and the wheel for 250. That is less than the G27 last I checked it was 280.

Plus the CSR has much better FFB, and the wheel itself has some tuning options, like FFB strenght, damper, spring, lock, etc. which all come in handy. The pedals are also better (mainly the brake), and you will always have the option of getting the clubsport pedals, which are simply incredible.

Even if it only worked on PS3 and PC, I would recommend it over the G27, but it also works on xbox and in my opinion that's huge. You'll be able to play Race Pro (the second best console sim next to GT5), and in my opinion the best arcade racing game ever made, a joy for pretty much every one that owns it, Test Drive Unlimited (don't confuse it with TDU 2, which most people don't like, TDU 1 is actually a very well received and amazing game). Of course if you like less realistic stuff, you may also want to try out forza 4.
 
TomBrady
Definitely the CSR's.

Right now you can get a package deal, CSR pedals and the wheel for 250. That is less than the G27 last I checked it was 280.
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For $250? Where?

@ 12thgear, I like the idea of a longer throw, what I may do is get CSP's turn them upside down and mount them and put a plate underneath them (I don't think you can invert them like CSR/-E pedals can you) and order 2 spare loadcells just in case.

And are they emailing lists that they send coupons on and how do I get on them?

Most likely, I'll wait until late November and check prices

I definitely appreciate all of you helping me out.
 
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If you're going to invert the pedals, just get the CSR Elite Pedals and the Inversion Kit. A lot of reviews claim that in actual use, the CSR Elite Pedals perform as well as ClubSport Pedals.
 
Ok, thanks for your help, I will probably email Fanatec on their Contact page in a week and see what what they are doing with CSP's now or if I can switch pedals in the GT3 RS CSR package to CSR-E or CSP's, chances are that I won't invert them but I might want to one day, and I suppose flipping them upside down wouldn't quite work the best
 

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