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OK i know there is something that needs to be done to the suspension other than just lowering it all the way what else needs to be done to get a car in general to be a good tuned car.

Reason why i ask is when I am drifting on the straight aways my car will get a little out of control on the like 3rd or 4th whip around what can i do to stop this?
 
First off I'd suggest not lowering the suspension ALL the way.

Suspension tuning is a very preference based thing, way moreso in drifting. In a very general sense, a common setup has a moderate amount of negative camber on the front wheels and a bit less than the front in the back (I generally start from about half) if any at all. A little toe in on the back as well.

After that it's all about how you want the car to handle. The ratio of your front to back spring rates is going to affect the overall handling charateristics of the car, stiffer in back means oversteer and stiffer in the front gives you under. This can be achieved with the stabilizers as well.

Bound and rebound settings will affect weight transfer speed. If you feel like the weight isn't coming forward enough for you initiating braking drifts, ease up the rear rebound or front bump damping (or both). If the weight is coming forward too fast for you (possibly due to a nose heavy car), do the opposite.

I honestly still don't mess with my suspension all that much, it makes me feel like I have a whole new car to learn. I work with what I have as much as I can...I'm sure I could benefit with focussing on some extensive tuning but I'd just rather spend my time driving :P I'm sure I'll get around to it eventually.
 
yeah i just wish there was like a explanation on each one on what the effects of going up and down would be
 
Man I just gave you an explanation of what each setting does :P

I guess I did sort of gloss over camber and toe. Camber affects your steering authority, once you're in a turn and the weight has shifted laterally, a wheel with negative camber will make better contact with the surface and have more grip. Think about it like this:

No camber looks like this: || ||

And when you make a turn to the right, the weight transfer will make it do this: \\ \\

All the force is on the outside of the wheel, and your grip is compromised.

Now if your wheels are set up with negative camber, it'll look like this: // \\

If you take that right turn again, they're going to look like this: || \\

Now it's not making a big difference on the inside tire, but it doesn't have the majority of the load so it's not that important. You can see though, that the weight transfer is pushing the entire tire into the ground and giving you much better grip on the outside though.

Toe in on the rear just gives makes the tail tend to stay where it is rather than continuing to slide around wherever it like, sort of a centering force.

What else are you not understanding? I can try to explain better if you have specific questions.
 
TakeshiSkunk
Bound and rebound settings will affect weight transfer speed. If you feel like the weight isn't coming forward enough for you initiating braking drifts, ease up the rear rebound or front bump damping (or both). If the weight is coming forward too fast for you (possibly due to a nose heavy car), do the opposite.
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So in stupid words lol if your rear isnt throwing around enough make the rear rebound softer. and if it throws around too much make the rear end harder. so if the rear is getting thrown around too much when im on the straight aways i should stiffen it up

and just to get this right lol sorry the higher the number the stiffer.
 
Well not throwing around like, sliding it, but forward and back.

The way to initiate a braking drift is by using light braking to shift the weight off of the rear tires, then upset it further by turning in and break it loose with the throttle.

The bound and rebound settings are going to affect how easily and how quickly the weight of the car shifts to the forward when you brake. If you loose control of the car when you brake, then the front bump damping or rear rebound needs increased. If you're braking and just can't get the weight to come off the rear wheels quick enough to allow you to initiate, you'd want to reduce the settings.

I use the term "need" very loosely here, as you can learn to compensate for just about any issue with these settings. If you're just starting out, I'd probably only adjust these settings if you're having a REALLY hard time bringing the weight forward to initiate your drifts.

And yeah, the higher the number the stiffer the setting.
 
TakeshiSkunk
Well not throwing around like, sliding it, but forward and back.

The way to initiate a braking drift is by using light braking to shift the weight off of the rear tires, then upset it further by turning in and break it loose with the throttle.

The bound and rebound settings are going to affect how easily and how quickly the weight of the car shifts to the forward when you brake. If you loose control of the car when you brake, then the front bump damping or rear rebound needs increased. If you're braking and just can't get the weight to come off the rear wheels quick enough to allow you to initiate, you'd want to reduce the settings.

I use the term "need" very loosely here, as you can learn to compensate for just about any issue with these settings. If you're just starting out, I'd probably only adjust these settings if you're having a REALLY hard time bringing the weight forward to initiate your drifts.

And yeah, the higher the number the stiffer the setting.
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Yeah i have been drifting for about 6 months. between this and forza 3. i feel that the way i set up the car is really how I handle it and by the time I spend enough time with a single car they all really feel the same lol. but yeah i just need more control when i am linking the drifts on the straightaways. so i guess i dont know how to do it or i just need to find the right settings.
 
If you want to do a lot of repeated drifts on straightaways...hm. I never do more than one or two max through a straightaway to link, if it needs more than that I'll just grip through to the next corner, but I know a lot of people like to carry all the way through.

I would say...maybe tighten your front bump damping a little and then...maybe increase the rear rebound damping by half as much or less, and increase your rear stabilizer a click. Also crank your LSD settings if you haven't already, since you probably don't need to worry too much about regaining traction. If it's unlocking while you're transitioning between slides through a straight it might be contributing to a loss of control.

This should decrease your snap oversteer tendency by easing the weight transfer to the front wheels, and make the rear end a little more slippery so you don't need to work as hard to swing it back and forth. Technique is still all on you, gotta keep those steering inputs smooth and even and be mindful of the throttle. This is all theory, mind you. This might not feel right at all to you lol
 
Okay I've got a question. I just got a G35 Infinity after having finally been able to drift for a week in various other JDM cars, so I now it is should work, but no matter what I do I can barely seem to initiate a drift using feint/braking.

I tried setting my LSD to 5,60,60 and my Anti-roll bars really high, as well as lowering dampers, but nothing seems to work.

And all aids are off, anyone have tips on what settings to change to fix this?
 
mytton
Okay I've got a question. I just got a G35 Infinity after having finally been able to drift for a week in various other JDM cars, so I now it is should work, but no matter what I do I can barely seem to initiate a drift using feint/braking.

I tried setting my LSD to 5,60,60 and my Anti-roll bars really high, as well as lowering dampers, but nothing seems to work.

And all aids are off, anyone have tips on what settings to change to fix this?
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Maybe your tires are too "good"?? Based on what your HP is - you may have to step your tires down... Move down to Comfort Hard's...

Lower your Anti-Roll Bar settings to 3 on front and rear... See if that helps...
 
DGambino1
Maybe your tires are too "good"?? Based on what your HP is - you may have to step your tires down... Move down to Comfort Hard's...

Lower your Anti-Roll Bar settings to 3 on front and rear... See if that helps...
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Well that's the thing, I am on comfort hards and tried lowering the roll bars dow to 2.
 
TakeshiSkunk
If you want to do a lot of repeated drifts on straightaways...hm. I never do more than one or two max through a straightaway to link, if it needs more than that I'll just grip through to the next corner, but I know a lot of people like to carry all the way through.

I would say...maybe tighten your front bump damping a little and then...maybe increase the rear rebound damping by half as much or less, and increase your rear stabilizer a click. Also crank your LSD settings if you haven't already, since you probably don't need to worry too much about regaining traction. If it's unlocking while you're transitioning between slides through a straight it might be contributing to a loss of control.

This should decrease your snap oversteer tendency by easing the weight transfer to the front wheels, and make the rear end a little more slippery so you don't need to work as hard to swing it back and forth. Technique is still all on you, gotta keep those steering inputs smooth and even and be mindful of the throttle. This is all theory, mind you. This might not feel right at all to you lol
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Awesome thank you for all your help.
 

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