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I've been doing some drift prac about 3 months avarage of 5mins a day between my b-spec and playing around with all the nice cars. Few days back I really started to increase my pace because of the holidays. 3 days and close to 200 laps done.

I can get the drift going nicely and keep at it but the angle is too low and i get the snap at the end of the drift. So I spin out and I have to drag the car back on the track (btw I'm getting pretty good at it :) ). I think its about my counter steer or something so its not a problem.

How can I get the angle bigger? If I try to do it the car gets sideways and speed stalls and thats it. Too much gas maybe? Another broblem is the race line. Few times when I get the drift right I drift out of the track. I've been thinking that I don't have enough speed to get a good angle and I start the drift too late so I run out of the track.

Been praccing in Trial Mountain and Autumn Ring with my mighty BP Falken RX-7, N3 tyres, 464BHP. Hope to create some discussion and maybe some tips and/or confirmation to my thinking.
 
Yes, the snapback is a countersteering problem. There are several ways to approach the problem. One could be getting N2's. They're less grippy than N3's (which in my opinion are some of the grippiest tires in the game), but they are grippy enough to give you a desired control when sideways. Another thing is to delay the countersteer until you get a desired angle. At first, it'll seem like you only countersteer near the very end, but it'll change with the more practice you put into it. Also, to help with angle, I use the e-brake. Once you started the drift, using e-brake will increase your angle, and increase it quite rapidly. So use it wisely. Now, for your stalling problem. That's because you cross the line and get TOO MUCH angle. To keep yourself from doing that, feather the throttle, don't keep it on. Pump it and let go, especially when you get your angle, the more you throttle, the more wheelspin, and then more your angle will increase, so keep that under control. Lastly, you may be countersteering too much for your angle. If you have a low angle (I don't know what you drift with, but I'll guess a DS2), you can't expect to countersteer all the way to the opposite side without the car chasing after the wheels's direction. So what you do, you practice to control the angle of the countersteer. Slowly (or quickly), you'll get used to how much countersteer to apply depending on your angle. But, for the time being, you can do what I used to do (and still do from time to time), snap the countersteer back and forth, countersteer a bit, and if you lose angle, let go and don't countersteer for half a sec, then repeat. ^_^ Hope some of these things helped!
 
OK, thanks, that helps a lot. I'll try it out and lets see what happens. Prolly going to get back here with more problems :) Any tips for the lines I should take? Now I usually try to take the car as close as possible to those lines I usually use for grip. I also noticed that I should start the drift before the actual corner to get the biggest possible angle in the middle of the corner. So I brake pretty early and start turning so I can hit the gas to get the car sideways when the corner starts. Of course depends what tech I use... but generally. I also started to think what tech to use in a spesific corner so now it starts to get much more smoother than before.
 
what are your stabilizers at? i usually see that increasing them a little bit helps the snap back and allows a tad more angle. also try a bit more front camber angle, maybe 0.5 - 1.0 more, that helps some usually for me when i need better response and less snap.
 
I have Sherons settings:

Springs: 7.5/7.5
Height: 100/100
Bound: 7/7
Rebound: 7/7
Camber: 3.0/1.0
Toe: 0.0/0.0
Stabs: 1/1

Brakes: 10/10

No TCS
No ASM

Downforce: 8/11 (minimum)

Gear ratios: Up to you
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They feel pretty nice. Gonna fix them more suitable for me when I get more experience. Thought that it is better to learn with settings that I am sure the car can drift before I start to play around with them.
 
greitodrifter
OK, thanks, that helps a lot. I'll try it out and lets see what happens. Prolly going to get back here with more problems :) Any tips for the lines I should take? Now I usually try to take the car as close as possible to those lines I usually use for grip. I also noticed that I should start the drift before the actual corner to get the biggest possible angle in the middle of the corner. So I brake pretty early and start turning so I can hit the gas to get the car sideways when the corner starts. Of course depends what tech I use... but generally. I also started to think what tech to use in a spesific corner so now it starts to get much more smoother than before.
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There you go! That's the way you should think, think of specifi techniques for specific corners. For example, with my higher HP cars, I normally use E-brake for the tight tight turns, and use power over for the not-so-tight turns. It's nice to think that way. As for lines... with time, you'll begin to control it more and more. And you'll be able to be like DKing (I'm using him as an example because I remember him from Xlink last night). He took the outside line beautifully and perfectly just for the hell of it. Oh, and about start drifting before the turn: Most definitely!! I do it especially in Trial Mountain in the tunnel. That way I get max angle and I drift the whole tunnel very close to the inside. Keep at it and try to get some vids (or get on Xlink) to show off =Þ
 
I'll get the basic stuff right first and then we'll see if I can be tricked to invest some money in this :P

When I can do it I'm gonna take my FD for a little spin around the track.. too much Initial D maybe O_o
 
Spyder V pretty much had it right, just practice and try different techniques and lines and control the throttle. A nice trick I have learned for the throttle is to use full gas to get it sideways and once it is dont let go all the way but to just back of the throttle to where I'm about 3/4ths throttle. That really helps me to keep my speed and be able to control angle and it seems to be able to help me keep my line better.
 
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Spyder V pretty much had it right, just practice and try different techniques and lines and control the throttle. A nice trick I have learned for the throttle is to use full gas to get it sideways and once it is dont let go all the way but to just back of the throttle to where I'm about 3/4ths throttle. That really helps me to keep my speed and be able to control angle and it seems to be able to help me keep my line better.
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i started having better luck when i worked on throttle control more then countersteer. It also seems that i can get more angle from 4wd cars.
 
I was never really good with the 4wd cars. Anything else though I could get sideways easily including the FF cars. But yeah throttle control can make all the difference as you now know. Well got to go. Have fun drifting.
 
Only way I get sideways with a 4WD is heavy e-brake... but then again, I've only tried once =Þ
 
to train myself to give very delicate imputs, even on a ds2, i used the trueno.
because it has such low hp and is non turbo drifting it requires skill to initiate a drift but is forgiving to a delicate touch to keep the power where needed (not full throttle apart fron at corner exits) it will also show you when you are not giving enough power. the 86 IS the best drift training tool. :)
 
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to train myself to give very delicate imputs, even on a ds2, i used the trueno.
because it has such low hp and is non turbo drifting it requires skill to initiate a drift but is forgiving to a delicate touch to keep the power where needed (not full throttle apart fron at corner exits) it will also show you when you are not giving enough power. the 86 IS the best drift training tool. :)
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I pretty much agree, it has also been said that it's an advanced drift car.
 
yeah.. everyone could give large explanations on why this happens, and why that happens.. but practice is the best answer.

take note of my signature

-Pete
 
Practice you say... its kinda obvious if you want to learn something. Learning just gets faster when you can ask help for your problems. Thats why we have teachers and schools. Naturally its a good idea to try figure things out by yourself but if you get stuck and just cant get something right imo its better to ask for help than get pissed and struggle with your problem for 2 months or something. With someones help you could have solved your problem in a few hours. You advance faster and more time to prac new things :P Or thats how I think.

ok I'm kinda bored and bla.. bla.. bla.. with my rusty english o_O and offtopic even. Well today its gonna be GT4 day with my rx-7. I can almost get it right... few weeks and it _should_ look way c00l :yuck: And thanks for the tips.
 
I'm in the same shoes as u are. If not for the kind and patient people in this forum, I wouldn't even know where to start. But then, we as student need to do our part as well by practising....:P
 
kiukiu
I'm in the same shoes as u are. If not for the kind and patient people in this forum, I wouldn't even know where to start. But then, we as student need to do our part as well by practising....:P
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Students... sorry but thats kinda lame :) I'm not taking this that seriously. Just having some fun and dreaming that I someday could drive one of those GT4 cars irl.

BTW I just noticed that its dangerous to first play with DFP and then try to drive a real car :P Took 10 minutes or something to get a hold of it 👍
 
something I had forgot completley that may help.. I remember when i couldn't even get any kinda drift... my friend told me that I was trying to hard and that I just need to RACE and keep my lines and when i did this i got fast on the track and little drifts started happening so i could clear corners. after practicing with this outlook it seemed like I started getting the hang of the sensitive controls and it whent from there...
 
i was getting no where when i 1st started .. i messed around for a week or so but still pretty sucky and i had no ideal about the angle, braking zone, entry point, until i watched Droptop_Chick's - Not A Civic .. she did one full lap on trial mountain (my fav. drfit track) with a S2K .. i learned a lot from this vid.. you might wanna check it out..
 
kranzx
i was getting no where when i 1st started .. i messed around for a week or so but still pretty sucky and i had no ideal about the angle, braking zone, entry point, until i watched Droptop_Chick's - Not A Civic .. she did one full lap on trial mountain (my fav. drfit track) with a S2K .. i learned a lot from this vid.. you might wanna check it out..
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Those are exactly the type of people you want to learn from... although style my vary between cars and people you still pick up a lot of good stuff. 👍
 
DT_C is one of the best drifters in my honest opinion. She is crazy crazy and can drift the closest to perfect (if not perfect, because I've seen it and I want to say pefect) from what I've seen. If you learn from DT_C, you are learning from the best, have no doubt about that.
 
hmm.. got to get me some clips..

I'm having trouble counter-steering aswell... I've always been a throttle steerer so all four wheels are pointing straight, in whatever car I drive, way before I hit the apex.. :indiff:

I do want to get into exhibition drifts but I'm having abit of difficulty with fine tuning my steering inputs (DS2) :(
 
KaiZen
hmm.. got to get me some clips..

I'm having trouble counter-steering aswell... I've always been a throttle steerer so all four wheels are pointing straight, in whatever car I drive, way before I hit the apex.. :indiff:

I do want to get into exhibition drifts but I'm having abit of difficulty with fine tuning my steering inputs (DS2) :(
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do a search and they'll speak for themselves....drift vid archive

or
nipd

youll find alot if you look in the drift video fourm
 
Now I can drift almost every corner in trial mountain and sometimes I can combo few of the corners. Few weeks more and I believe I can do it, then I'm gonna change the track to something more difficult.
 

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