gilles villeneuve (spelling)?

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i never had the chance to see this man race, i have only seen small snippets of him on youtube and whatnot (that battle with him vs arnoux for second is amazing) but he has a legend as big as ayrton senna. he is loved by everyone.
looking at his stats he didnt seem to accomplish that much in F1. No WDC, he had race wins, and he wasnt driving the ferrari long for what i can understand. yet he is one of the most talked about and loved drivers to have ever been in the sport. can someone explain to me why this is?
dont take this to be me trying to bash gilles or take anything away from him, i am not doubting his greatness (i wouldnt dare), i would just like to understand what it is about him that makes him so loved and honoured. gracious.
 
He truly dominated the Formula Atlantic series during a time when many great drivers were on the way up throught the nursery formulae. I think that he raced against Bobby Rahal and Ricardo Patrese and more that I can't recall right now. The comments that I have heard most about him center around his car control. Apparently he liked a loose car and could really hustle it about and make time where others were uncomfortable. Rain was another forte. I think that he won at everything he tried.
 
I think that the reason people loved him was that he was so out there. He never gave up - check out the photo of the Ferrari on the lock-stops, with one of the rear tyres missing - and would never settle for second. He didn't win championships because he couldn't stop himself from going for the race win, and was above all a man of honour, even when honouring an agreement cost him dearly. It was to cost him his life eventually.

The world loves a trier. And Gilles was the ultimate trier.
 
oh boy, I don't even have english knowledge enough to explain why I was a Gilles fanboy, if that can be explained. In my mind (but my mind is a biased one), one thing is sure. I've never seen a F1 driver like him, and I think I never will.

Even at a time when F1 races were far more exciting, when cars had much less downforce, when all drivers used to battle and overtake each other on the track (and not in the pits), Gilles outshone everyone else. Besides never giving up, his driving style was such that we just couldn't believe how the stunts he pulled were physically possible.

However, two of his victories (back to back) showed that he was also capable of doing absolutely faultless races, under the most difficult circumstances. IIIRC they happened in 1981 (the year before he died) and they were Monaco (first win there with a Turbo car, something no one thought could be possible) and Jarama (ended leading a pack of five cars). I think you can find both on youtube.

AND ... he was a gentleman driver.
 
Replies up to now have summed it up... it wasn't so much about what he achieved, but how he went about his business. He was always on the absolute limit and he never, ever gave up. For me it's the stories about him little things he would do in and out of the car that sum him up best.

Dr Sid Watkins had great respect for him and said that Gilles's heartrate was always relatively low for a racer, like he was calmer behind the wheel than other drivers. Sid remembers a time when he was in the support car, attending an accident at the Monaco GP. The GP cars had to overtake the support car under yellow flags (this before the days of the F1 pace car of course). All the other drivers went past, giving the support car a wide berth. Gilles came past, lap after lap, as close as he possibly could to the support car without touching it, so that he was on the fastest available line into the corner. He was still giving it ten tenths in those circumstances.

Gilles believed in the "Gap" theory... that is, in any situation in a car, there's always a gap through which you can avoid a crash without stopping. Every situation can be driven around, basically, and braking is essentially a last resort and only required through bad planning. He applied this on the road as well as on track. Sid, in one of his books (can't remember which one) mentions a time he got a lift with Gilles, and was surprised when Gilles's wife offered Sid the front passenger seat. The wife (can't remember her name) then climbed in the back, but instead of sitting on the seat, she lay down on the floor in the footwells and closed her eyes. Sid was confused by this but then Gilles started driving and it all became clear. His hire cars would always return with bent or scratched panels, because when driving on the road, he would still go for the gap - legally or not, and would be happy to bounce off other cars if it would help him maintain momentum, much like we might do in GT4. He'd charge up between two lines of stopped cars at a traffic light at maximum speed, as though he was filtering on a motorbike, to get to the front of a queue. Then he'd jump the light if he could do so with minimal contact.

Jodi once also once said something about living in Monaco being good because it's a 4 hour drive to Nice airport, or 3 and a half hours if you're really quick, and 2 and half hours if you're Gilles Villeneuve, or something like that. I could have the times and locations wrong, but Gilles's commuting time (in a Ferrari 308) has become legend.

Gilles died when, flat out on a qualifying lap and determined to beat team mate Pironi, he came across a slower car. Instead of backing off and sacrificing the lap, he went for the gap. A true racer to the end, and one gifted with total self belief and supreme car control.
 
Gilles Villeneuve had a never giving up attitude, he was an absolute nutter, but a family man at the same time. You hafta love a guy who will carry on trying to race with 3 tyres on his car. A guy who beat the fastest qualifying time of the current leader by 11 seconds in the wet because he was so brave. He won the monaco grand prix with a terrible car. Infact all his races were in a terrible car. he has produced some of the most entertaining racing ever seen, just look for villeenuve v. Rene Arnoux on youtube, he gets 2nd place on the last lap with easily the slower car.

I adore who gilles villeneuve was for his attitude to racing, his cheeky boyish face and his utter braveness.


I'm currently working on a tribute video that should be finished tonight. Ill post it here and you can see for yourself.

and check out my avatar while your at it.
 
Ye, as many have said, he was just one of those never-say-die people. But he also had alot of skill. There is no doubt in my mind he would have won the WDC the season he was killed, if he hadn't been killed. His talent shone through rain or shine, he could take a car and take it round faster than it has been before. Enzo Ferrari who was seen drivers like Nuvolari said he was similar maybe even better than Nuvolari.
And as a person (not that a knew him obviously) he was genuine so ive heard and had a sence of humour off the track. I also respect him for his comments he made about Pironi after imola, he didnt shy away from the fact that he had been disloyal to him.
For that i respect and admire him.
He was a gentleman on the track as well as off.
I dont think ive ever heard a bad story about him, but the ones i have heard best sum him up.
 
He was a complete mentalist (in a good way). Never back off, never give up. Found this quote on t'internet from Rene Arnoux referring to the 1979 French GP battle they had.

"The duel with Gilles is something I'll never forget, my greatest souvenir of racing. You can only race like that, you know, with someone you trust completely, and you don't meet many people like him. He beat me, yes, and in France, but it didn't worry me - I knew I'd been beaten by the best driver in the world."
 
he certainly was, the fastest driver in the world.
 
stories about him certainly are inspirational, to bad we dont have racers like that in f1 anymore. closest we get is sato :scared:

i seen ur senna video ccx, that was pretty kick ass. when ur gilles one is done ill give it a look also.
cheers for the info everyone. really got the information i was lookin for. the guys obviously deserves his legendary status.

how exactly did he end up racing with three wheels??? and where did he finish in this race???


about his road driving, i think it was in a recent f1racing magazine article, maybe at the back page, someone was recalling a time when they went on a road drive with gilles, and jacques was in the car with them when he was really young, and the guy said gilles would absoloutly fly through the streets (i think it was italy) completely on the limit, and jacques would sit ther without a belt on trying to peek through the front of the car cos he was in the back and egg gilles on to go faster and faster. crazy family hey.
 
Can't remember how he ended up on 3 wheels exactly. I think he had a slow puncture on one of the back tyres. Back left I think. He spun off the road because of it but didn't collect a barrier and kept the engine running, so he pulled back on to the track and headed for the pits. He had a long way to go unfortunately, and went as fast as he could - powersliding all over the place. As a result he shredded the flat tyre as well as much of the rear bodywork and bits of suspension. He retired from the race in the pits because the car was too damaged.

That's all from memory... I hope someone will correct any errors. I'm sure it will be on YouTube. I have seen it on TV somewhere.

EDIT: You're right about the crazy family bit... Jacques isn't as obviously ragged as his dad. I don't think he's as talented either, but he's also a complete racer. I remember his crash at Eu Rouge (spelling?) at Spa in qualifying or practice one year. He came back grinning, impressed at how spectacularly it had all gone wrong, and explained that while approaching the corner he just kind of casually wondered if he could actually make it through flat out. The answer turned out to be no. I also remember Jacques overtaking Scummy around the outside of a long corner somewhere. Jacques is a real fighter just like his dad was.
 
stories about him certainly are inspirational, to bad we dont have racers like that in f1 anymore. closest we get is sato :scared:

i seen ur senna video ccx, that was pretty kick ass. when ur gilles one is done ill give it a look also.
cheers for the info everyone. really got the information i was lookin for. the guys obviously deserves his legendary status.

how exactly did he end up racing with three wheels??? and where did he finish in this race???


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He got a puncture and span off into the gravel, however he managed to get his car back onto the track with the tyre hanging off. He carried on for a few laps and eventually pitted. He demanded the pitcrew fit another tyre to his car, but the damage was sadly un repairable.

The saddest story of all is the pironi pass then the accident next race :sad:

Ill have the vid up soon, but it was alot harder to find gv clips than finding senna clips :argh:
 
Gilles believed in the "Gap" theory... that is, in any situation in a car, there's always a gap through which you can avoid a crash without stopping. Every situation can be driven around, basically, and braking is essentially a last resort and only required through bad planning. He applied this on the road as well as on track. .

anyone got any more information websites or anything like that about this "gap theory" of driving??? or is it just a phrase used when describing how gilles drove in genaral????i would much like to learn more.
 
His 'Gap' theory is explaind by Prof. Sid Watkins.
His book, 'Life at the limit', is a really good read. About many F1 greats.
It tells of how GV once gave him a lift to a track. He bounced a rented car of many lamp posts and other parked cars. He even asked Sid if he wanted a lift back! All so on their first meeting GV said,' I hope i never need you.'
Its a shame he did.

(Ok, This did sound like an Advert for His book.)
 
Yeah I don't think you'll find the "gap theory" in any textbooks. As far as I can tell, it might even have been first coined by Gilles himself.

Onle_In_F1, thanks for reminding me of the title of Prof Watkin's book. I'd forgotten he's a prof... It is a great read, and an absorbing insight into GP racing in the late 70s onwards. His stories about Gilles and Senna in particular were very enlightening.
 
Excellent, CCX. I recognise one half of the music - Oasis - but what's the mix?

V.
 
Excellent vid sir! Loved the music, just seemed like a perfect choice. I was hoping you wouldn't inlclude the crash but then when I saw how you'd done it, it worked out just right. Great piece of work.

I recognise the song clip at the end, but can't remember the title - the "Never tomorrow or the good Lord will take it away" bit is on The Mission's Children album (I think), though I think they covered it, and the version you have used definitely wasn't The Mission.

Once again, great vid, +rep where +rep is due!
 
Wow, I've heard about this guy so much! This guy was amazing! This is a kind of driving style I pretty much have and I'm glad to see other drivers like this. That tribute vid was awsome! It fit perfectly,especially the last bits.
 
thanks for the comments guys

richard burns is next up
 
that video was awesome CCX. Nice work. i got one i did for the nfl and the afl with a deftones song, but thats well better than mine.
lookin at that video, reading the stuff yous have written and whatnot, it becomes kinda clear that everything gilles done was at 110%, or ten tenths if u like. doesnt become hard to like someone that puts in that much effort.
now if only we can get some drivers like that back in f1.
 
dider pironi (his team mate) his wife gave birth to twins after he died in a powerboat crash. she named then Gilles and Didier, and ive heard the 'Gilles Pironi' is going to make it into F1. apprently he's a splitting image.

maybe he can bring it back
 
sweet. ima have to look into him.the way things are goin we will soon have a grid of all ex f1 legends current family..........and lewis.
rosberg, bruno senna, gilles pironi, piquet jr, theres probly more i cant think of, but its an interesting trend.
 
Ive just seen someone on a picture site, with pictures of GV ive never seen before. claims he knew didier pironi . :|

what do you reckon?
 
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