Glickenhaus P4/5

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Jim's pictures were supposed to be released on the 23rd at midnight and then in Car and Driver. Unfortunately, someone scanned the Car and Driver and let the cat out of the bag. We do get to see it early though:D

It weighs 1200kg- 2600lbs. Stock is 1400kg, about 3150lbs.
It produces MORE downforce than an Enzo and LESS drag. It's extremely aerodynamically efficient. The Cd is 0.338, but I couldn't find the stock number.

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Thats the one that's built on the Enzo's mechanicals isn't it?
 
Not like the Enzo's not fast enough or anything :lol:, that is one nice looking car anyway.
 
Quite the car. I think the wheels are also pretty good, and the color and body is the only thing that can make 'em work. Jim did tell us on UCP that car will be traveling around for press.

Sounds like he's not even going to have some fun with it until after the magazines get their hands on it.
 
Wow, it looks so......so.......smooth! Like a baby's bottom.

Very 👍

The only thing I really dont like is the position of the side mirrors but I assume it is the only way to position them while still being functional.
 
I think they suit the car mysef, but each to his own.
 
exigeracer
I'm definitely not liking the design at all.

And those wheels look awful heavy...
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+1 It looks like a "generic" supercar. I don't like the intake inlets in the front, don't like the wheels, and really don't like the rear. So overall it's not pretty...but still looking 100% better then the Enzo so...👍
 
Looks like a generic view of a supercar. Still far, far better than the Enzo, though, and it sounds like it is faster, as well.
 
after reading this thread, i just noticed that there are many more enzo haters than i had imagined.

Personally, i think the enzo looks really nice. This thing but be fast but it looks like some concept car from the early 90's :indiff:
 
Yes, it looks outdated, but that may be because they were aiming for a bit of a homage to LeMans racers of earlier days, but I would not call it an improvement over the Enzo.
 
It isn't that bad, but I wouldn't consider it an Italian beauty on the scale of the Zonda or 599 Foriano.
 
I suppose so. Not everyone likes the 599 like me!
 
Hm. Part Porsche 917, part 70's Hot Wheels. But it's true. The very aerodynamic lines make the car look totally generic, like something from GTA. Still, faster is faster, and you gotta give them credit: It's hard to improve on a top-level Ferrari.
 
Bubble Bunny
after reading this thread, i just noticed that there are many more enzo haters than i had imagined.

Personally, i think the enzo looks really nice. This thing but be fast but it looks like some concept car from the early 90's :indiff:
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I'm not a huge Enzo fan, but the Enzo looks way way better. This thing is just plain ugly.
 
GT's corrected picture doesn't highlight the problem at all, it just touches on the accessories. Te problem lies more with the shape of the car, and more importantly the design and placement of those accessories on the shape. It's all off, I couldn't even begin to decribe the problems that design has.

I guess it is function over form, but you can still pull off a decent design that works, especially if your name is Pininfarina.
 
I finially figured out what the car reminds me of:
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...The Alfa Romeo Tipo 33...

Not that the Tipo looks bad (it is one of the sexiest cars of the 1960s), but the design doesn't translate well into the 2000s.
 
Some dude over at F-Chat:

What you're looking at isn't the car. It isn't a car. It's a model milled out of Eppa Wood and painted. The wheels aren't real. The tires aren't real. There are no headlights/taillights/glass/etc. IT IS A FULL SCALE SOLID MODEL THAT IS 8 MONTHS OLD. It is where we started not where we ended up.

We used that model to determine what we liked and what we didn't. We then made a full sized ABS/Plastic shell and mounted it to my Very modified Enzo chassis and took that to the wind tunnel. We learned some very interesting things. We modified the shape especially the nose. The inlet was reduced. The fender line was made more curvey. The shape of the headlights was changed. Inlets were tested and shapes modified. The curve of the Tail was changed. The back of the model looks flat/dull/because it SOLID. When it's grill and what you're looking at is the Ceramic coated exhaust chimneys/Engine/ Suspention/etc. through the rear the ENTIRE section of which is open grill and the light flows through the rear greenhouse which unlike the model which is solid painted wood and you see the engine and ceramic coated headers the effect is somewhat different...

When the tail lights are the ones from the 599 and the rear F1 rain light is mounted things change a bit as well. The real headlights with their rows of LED running/turn signal lights set behind form fitting more curved clear cover aren't too bad either.

The Greenhouse, except for the windshield is polycarbonate so it's very light. It's all so very UV filtered and the entire structure is supported by a very light exotic alloy high strength roll cage that results in a roll over strength, tested, greater than the Enzo and better than full road and racing requirements

Cx isn't the whole story. You must take frontal area and downforce into account. At some time we may publish a technical paper on her aero but in the mean time let me say she's low drag (remember to multiply Cx by Frontal area when making comparisons) with more/GREAT/better balance downforce in both high and low down force modes.

Getting down to what Alan Lambo likes to talk about with her reduced weight and better aero and Enzo HP. she will be the fastest road going Ferrari ever built. She will go 0-100KPH very, very close to or possibly at 3 seconds and she will continue on a touch past 240 MPH.

In summation while these photos give you an idea of where we started off and the basic shape as Rodger sang:

You ain't seen nothing yet...
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So they are actually building the car then, albiet a "real" version that looks somewhat "sane?"
 

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