Gran Turismo 7 Offline Time Trial Competition

[Theufcveteran]

I've been watching some speedrun and time trial videos lately and it's inspired me to see if something like it could be done for GT7 - not a game speedrun, just best times in time trial for each track and layout.

This takes place in the Time Trial mode in World Circuits. Any car that you can fit into the PP limit is eligible. The goal is to optimise your car and your performance to get the fastest time possible.

Tuning is allowed, you can use any tyres, whatever you want. Only NOS is prohibited. Wheel and controller are allowed too, no distinction between them unless a majority of folks want that.

The PP categories work exactly like the offline leaderboard in time trial. The PP limit works just like the PP categories in the GT7 offline leaderboards.

A car at or under 600.00 PP will be in the 600 PP leaderboard category. A car over 600.00 PP will be in the 700 PP category.

Any assists are available as well, but please show your assists in the submission video with your lap time, just so we know exactly what settings are being run.

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In the second post of this thread, there is a spreadsheet linked with leaderboards for each track and layout, as well as PP categories for those tracks.

The time that goes on the leaderboard is your fastest in a PP category. So if, for example, in the 400 PP category, you set a 1:30.4xx, and then a 1:30.7xx afterwards, only the 1:30.4xx time goes on the board.

If you set a time in a PP category, and then you want to submit a new time in that same category, it needs to be faster than the previous time you submitted.

It doesn't have to be faster than anyone who might be above you on the leaderboards, it just needs to be quicker than the last lap time you submitted.

This just avoids the board becoming a bit jammed if lots of folks submit times.

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You can pick any time of day available in time trial. While the different wind and temperature conditions have an effect on lap time, I think it is ultimately smaller relative to the lines taken in the lap unless you are near the maximum pace.

If you want the best conditions, you can re-load into time trial until you get them. That would be a tailwind on the straights or minimal wind in general.

As for air temperature, I'm not exactly sure which would be best. The tyres start out at average temperature I think. Perhaps a not too cold, not too hot air temperature (20-30 degrees).

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The only settings that must be changed in the Settings menu in time trial menu, are the following (must be set on each entry into time trial):

Event Settings -> Grip Reduction Off Track -> Set to Real

Penalty Settings -> Shortcut Penalty -> Set to Strong

Penalty Settings -> Wall Collision Penalty -> Set to Time Penalty (Strong)

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The PP categories are:

Spoiler: PP categories

100 PP

200 PP

300 PP

400 PP

500 PP

600 PP

700 PP

800 PP

900 PP

1000 PP

Each limit is exactly that number, so 600.00, for example, is the 600 PP limit, rather than 599.99.

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1000 PP isn't in the GT7 in-game leaderboards, so a time with that car will appear in the "Overall" section of the in-game leaderboards.

If you want to submit a time, just post a video as a reply in this thread with the lap and proof of the time, and I'll add you to the leaderboard on this thread using your GTPlanet username.

Include the pre-race screen as well in your video so we can see the PP value of the car, the grip off track setting, penalty settings, and the assists settings as well.

Please use the bumper, hood, cockpit or chase camera in the replay, rather than the cinematic camera.

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When playing, please make sure that, in the Display Settings from the pause menu, the Race Info Display setting is set to All or Display Race Info Only so the lap times are visible.

Please also make sure to either show the replay in the video with the Display Race Info option in the Replay Settings set to All, so that lap times and throttle/braking etc can be seen, or share the replay in the Showcase section with the following tag:

ottcgtp

PS4 and PS5 allow you to record the last 1/3/5/15/30/60 minutes of gameplay so if you set a good lap that you want to submit and you weren't already recording, you can retroactively record it.

It will be in 1080p 60 FPS if on PS5, so if you want to record in 4K, you need to manually start the recording before playing. 120 FPS mode on base PS5 will record at 1080p.

I'll post some times later today to start things off.

 

[Theufcveteran]

Here is the spreadsheet, at the moment it's primarily placeholder cars/times:

Leaderboard spreadsheet

To view all the sheets (one sheet per track/layout), click or tap the three lines on the bottom left of the screen, to the right of the + symbol.

Here is an embedded version, though for best navigation I would recommend clicking the link and opening it in Google Sheets, either through your browser on a computer or the app on mobile:

 

[Sir Crashalot]

Well, I like the idea! To start this I already did a lap, video is rendering while I write this.

But, I'm already unsure about track limits and clean laps.
I drove at Le Mans, set the track limit to "strong" and did a few laps. Turns out you have to go way of track to get a penalty. I was too hot at Tertre Rouge a few times and crossed the white line with both wheels and still no penalty.
The lap I want to register was clean for me, since I always thought you can go over the white line with one wheel. But now I checked and it seems like you can't cross it at all.

"Under the FIA’s code of driving, cars should be contained between the two white lines”

Eduardo Freitas explains the 24 Hours of Le Mans track limits | 24h-lemans.com

Eduardo Freitas is Race Director at the FIA (Fédération Internationale Automobile) and is officiating in this role at the 93rd 24 Hours of Le Mans. He explains the whys and wherefores of one of the lynchpins of the race regulations.

www.24h-lemans.com

So, where do we draw the line for this? Is a lap clean as long as the game doesn't complain? Are we using IRL standards? Or something else?

Edit: I just read the first post again and it looks like I didn't realize that NOS is allowed when I read it for the first time. Sorry, but I'm out then. I never used NOS, I just don't like it.
I still leave my thoughts about track limits here for others to discuss.

 

[Theufcveteran]

Well, I like the idea! To start this I already did a lap, video is rendering while I write this.

But, I'm already unsure about track limits and clean laps.
I drove at Le Mans, set the track limit to "strong" and did a few laps. Turns out you have to go way of track to get a penalty. I was too hot at Tertre Rouge a few times and crossed the white line with both wheels and still no penalty.
The lap I want to register was clean for me, since I always thought you can go over the white line with one wheel. But now I checked and it seems like you can't cross it at all.

"Under the FIA’s code of driving, cars should be contained between the two white lines”

Eduardo Freitas explains the 24 Hours of Le Mans track limits | 24h-lemans.com

Eduardo Freitas is Race Director at the FIA (Fédération Internationale Automobile) and is officiating in this role at the 93rd 24 Hours of Le Mans. He explains the whys and wherefores of one of the lynchpins of the race regulations.

www.24h-lemans.com

So, where do we draw the line for this? Is a lap clean as long as the game doesn't complain? Are we using IRL standards? Or something else?

Awesome, can't wait to see!

We could use the white lines for sure. That's an easy way of doing it that counts across all tracks. And we have videos for submissions so we can always review. Perhaps we can do a combo of both?

There is a potential complexity in that some tracks have kerbs where one half of your car goes over the white line (or what the white line previously was).

Unless we simply have it to where, if the white line isn't there (for example at a corner with a curb), the edge of the kerb is the limit?

Just thinking of ways to keep it as simple as possible so it easily applies across all tracks.

I think keeping your car inside the white lines and not having all not having all 4 wheels on the kerb could work.

The simplest way is to use the game standards but then the endgame on some tracks would be unrealistic usage of track limits. And that's fine if the intent is to use the game's system but I personally think it's cool if it stays more realistic in the track limits sense (although F1 does get silly with it sometimes).

EDIT: I just set some extra track limit rules:

You must stay within the white lines at all times. You can have two wheels on the line, but you can't have any wheels go beyond the far edge of the white line.

For kerbs, you must not have four wheels on the kerb. Three wheels is okay, but if all four wheels are on the kerb, the lap is not eligible.

These additional track limit rules are no longer in effect. The track limits now are solely defined by the game’s penalty system.

 

[Theufcveteran]

Well, I like the idea! To start this I already did a lap, video is rendering while I write this.

But, I'm already unsure about track limits and clean laps.
I drove at Le Mans, set the track limit to "strong" and did a few laps. Turns out you have to go way of track to get a penalty. I was too hot at Tertre Rouge a few times and crossed the white line with both wheels and still no penalty.
The lap I want to register was clean for me, since I always thought you can go over the white line with one wheel. But now I checked and it seems like you can't cross it at all.

"Under the FIA’s code of driving, cars should be contained between the two white lines”

Eduardo Freitas explains the 24 Hours of Le Mans track limits | 24h-lemans.com

Eduardo Freitas is Race Director at the FIA (Fédération Internationale Automobile) and is officiating in this role at the 93rd 24 Hours of Le Mans. He explains the whys and wherefores of one of the lynchpins of the race regulations.

www.24h-lemans.com

So, where do we draw the line for this? Is a lap clean as long as the game doesn't complain? Are we using IRL standards? Or something else?

Edit: I just read the first post again and it looks like I didn't realize that NOS is allowed when I read it for the first time. Sorry, but I'm out then. I never used NOS, I just don't like it.
I still leave my thoughts about track limits here for others to discuss.

Didn’t realise it at the moment but NOS doesn’t affect PP so it would become an always required thing. I made NOS prohibited. Appreciate you bringing it up.

 

[Theufcveteran]

Got three times in! For clarity, I record the car and assists, then splice to the lap I’m submitting.

At the end there is proof that the time set is with the car inside the mentioned PP bracket and the same PP as shown at the start of the video.

I have the replays saved which I’m going to upload later today with full in game telemetry/HUD to confirm the assists settings I showed were what I was using.

For future recordings I’ll add the replay video with the full HUD to the end of the lap.

Laps I’m submitting:

Deep Forest Full Course 600 PP category - 1:39.399.

I used a Mercedes-AMG GT S which was tuned and at 599.99 PP.


Tsukuba 500 PP category - 1:07.907.

I used a Mercedes 190 E that was tuned and at 499.87 PP.


Barcelona No Chicane 700 PP category - 1:47.840.

I used a Porsche Carrera GT that was tuned and at 699.94 PP.

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The HDR hasn’t processed at the time posting so it may look washed out, but by the end of today it should be okay.

 

[jrbabbitt]

I am processing the replay video of my Unimog at Nordschleife and I am registering a formal objection to the white lines being track limits at the Nordschleife as the red/white kerbing is outside of the white lines and will severely restrict any driver trying to post a good time.
As for video replay, would you like the replays uploaded to the showcase or will a YT video suffice?
Also my assists will always be the following:
A) ABS weak
B) Autodrive off
C) countersteering off
D) auto stability on
E) TC is variable to car used.

 

[Theufcveteran]

I am processing the replay video of my Unimog at Nordschleife and I am registering a formal objection to the white lines being track limits at the Nordschleife as the red/white kerbing is outside of the white lines and will severely restrict any driver trying to post a good time.
As for video replay, would you like the replays uploaded to the showcase or will a YT video suffice?
Also my assists will always be the following:
A) ABS weak
B) Autodrive off
C) countersteering off
D) auto stability on
E) TC is variable to car used.

Awesome! A YouTube video will be fine, but if you want extra verification then you can upload it and the telemetry can be viewed if ever needed.

You can use the kerbs, you just have to keep at least one tyre within the white line.

Outside of kerbs, you can’t put any tyres beyond the furthest edge of the white line.

 

[jrbabbitt]

Awesome! A YouTube video will be fine, but if you want extra verification then you can upload it and the telemetry can be viewed if ever needed.

You can use the kerbs, you just have to keep at least one tyre within the white line.

Outside of kerbs, you can’t put any tyres beyond the furthest edge of the white line.

Then I cannot submit my entry as I do drive at least the two tyres of the side of car past that white line at times, in fact I will submit entry and let you judge my driving... I trust you.

 

[Theufcveteran]

Then I cannot submit my entry as I do drive at least the two tyres of the side of car past that white line at times, in fact I will submit entry and let you judge my driving... I trust you.

That’s okay, I will check it later today when I’m free.

It’s possible that we adjust the track limits a bit to where we let the game penalties be the limit except for specific tracks where you can cut quite a bit without a penalty, such as parts of Le Mans.

I just don’t want a situation where track limits are unrealistically abused (that is fine if we’re only using the penalty system that the game has, but I’d like to try and keep it realistic without restricting driving).

Just to clarify, by furthest edge of the white line, I mean the edge closest to the grass/gravel. Basically to go beyond the white lines you’d need to have two wheels off track.

 

[jrbabbitt]

That’s okay, I will check it later today when I’m free.

It’s possible that we adjust the track limits a bit to where we let the game penalties be the limit except for specific tracks where you can cut large amounts without a penalty, such as parts of Le Mans.

I just don’t want a situation where track limits are unrealistically abused (that is fine if we’re only using the penalty system that the game has, but I’d like to try and keep it realistic without restricting driving).

Just to clarify, by furthest edge of the white line, I mean the edge closest to the grass/gravel. Basically to go beyond the white lines you’d need to have two wheels off track.

Agreed.
Here is my entry of the UNIMOG 100pp at Nordschleife. (With accompanying screenshots and videos, one uploaded under my gtplanet name and with gtplanet as keyword, and one here via YT)

 

[Theufcveteran]

Agreed.
Here is my entry of the UNIMOG 100pp at Nordschleife. (With accompanying screenshots and videos, one uploaded under my gtplanet name and with gtplanet as keyword, and one here via YT)



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Sorry mate but I think this lap has to be disqualified. I haven’t watched it all yet but there is a track limit violation leading up to the first corner, and after the first section, as you go onto the first straight, it looks like all four wheels are on the kerb (can’t say for sure though, I’ll check the replay later today).

Don’t get me wrong, it looks good but by the rules it would be disqualified. My apologies. I also might have to disqualify my Mercedes GT S lap because at one point I might have had two wheels over the white line.

We could do track limits where it’s okay as long as at least one wheel is still on track, even if three other wheels are behind the white line, but when I feel it gets a bit excessive in terms of not being as realistic.

At the same time I don’t want to make it feel like a chore to drive.

I do feel like I can’t push as much as normal, like in the online time trials, though it’s been a while since I’ve competed in one, but maybe that’s a sign that something should change.

I also like the idea of having to maximise pace within a slightly more restricted window - you have to push harder for the extra tenth but pushing harder is more risky because the you might go beyond the white line.

All that to say is that I personally prefer more realistic track limits - I totally respect getting every bit out of the course you can, and if it doesn’t punish you, go for it. But for this I like the idea of keeping it more like real life.

Though F1 style would be a good middle ground with having to at least keep one wheel on track and it would still be realistic in the sense that it’s run in real life and you still need to keep a tyre on the track.

But I’d like to hear yours and others’ thoughts. Maybe I’m too narrow in my approach.

I’m not opposed to doing two wheels on track means you’re good, even if two wheels are beyond the white line.

And then for the kerbs it would be the same, at least one wheel needs to be on the white line. Maybe on the track.

I don’t want to over complicate it also. Perhaps just using the game’s penalty system and then having special rules for tracks where you could otherwise cut more than is realistic.

If we do change the rules and this lap becomes eligible then I will add it to the leaderboard.

I’m increasingly liking the idea of just using the game’s judgment with a special rule for Le Mans and other problematic tracks with track limits. It’s the simplest way, though it may not be optimal.

Thank you for submitting a time by the way! I appreciate you taking the time to take the video and screenshots and upload the replay.

 

[jrbabbitt]

All is good, I did see that violation at Sabine Schmitz Kurve hence is why I did submit to be judged by others. Thank you and will try a different car next time

 

[Sir Crashalot]

Didn’t realise it at the moment but NOS doesn’t affect PP so it would become an always required thing. I made NOS prohibited. Appreciate you bringing it up.

Guess I'm back in then🙂

Ok, so I'm submitting my lap from yesterday.

I used actual in game footage instead of a replay ('cause I somehow though that's how it meant to be done), so the quality isn't the best.
Also I miss the proof that I actually used the car I show at the beginning but I hope you just trust me😄 (I also don't think you can tune the car any more anyway)

I'm still extremely unsure about track limits. I tried my best to do what I consider a clean lap but ofc it's up to you guys to decide.

Category: 600PP
Circuit de la Sarthe - Toyota HiAce - 597.81PP
Car tuned: Yes
Assists used: ABS weak, TCS 1
Controller/Wheel: Controller
Lap time: 3:48.597

 

[jrbabbitt]

do feel like I can’t push as much as normal, like in the online time trials, though it’s been a while since I’ve competed in one, but maybe that’s a sign that something should change.

Online time trials allow you to put two wheels past the white lines but as soon as a third or fourth tyre goes past the lap is red and invalidated. I believe the standards should be that way. (but I am just a player not the one organizing this)

 

[NAXEHT]

Online time trials allow you to put two wheels past the white lines but as soon as a third or fourth tyre goes past the lap is red and invalidated. I believe the standards should be that way. (but I am just a player not the one organizing this)

In general, I like the idea @Theufcveteran but unfortunately it’s not without its issues, notably track limits and wind. Wind is something that’s out of your control because you can’t force 0 m/s like Polyphony can.

And as jrbabbitt touches upon, if you’re going to try to mandate unusual and strict track limit penalties that heavily contrast how the game usually works and the lines that people have been driving for years you’ll have trouble, I think.

 

[jrbabbitt]

My second entry is at La Sarthe with the Honda S800 in the 200-299.99pp range.
I am stating that two tyres were on track at all times...Replay uploaded with this info...

my track time and conditions at the time.

 

[jrbabbitt]

SambaBus at Nordschleife 15:46.802

Uploaded replay to server...
YT video

 

[Theufcveteran]

@Sir Crashalot @jrbabbitt @NAXEHT

Thanks guys for your thoughts. I think then we will stick with the game’s system, where track limits are defined by the game. It’s the simplest way and for the most part should be okay.

Wind is an uncontrollable variable unfortunately, but I think it should only come into significant play when you are reaching the maximum that you can get out of your car.

As mentioned though you can re-enter to get good wind conditions if you want, but it’s not ideal.

jrbabbitt, I will add your Unimog time to the board.

 

[jrbabbitt]

Here is an embedded version, though for best navigation I would recommend clicking the link and opening it in Google Sheets, either through your browser or the app

I cannot get this, getting error message about " no connection " and when i retry nothing happens...

 

[Theufcveteran]

I cannot get this, getting error message about " no connection "View attachment 1478544

That’s strange, are you using the Google Sheets app? You can also try and open it in a new browser tab by opening the link in a new tab, and then requesting a desktop version of the page if possible. On mobile though the Sheets app is definitely the best way to navigate it.

If you have the app, then it should automatically open in the app when you click the spreadsheet link.

 

[jrbabbitt]

That’s strange, are you using the Google Sheets app? You can also try and open it in a new browser tab by opening the link in a new tab, and then requesting a desktop version of the page if possible. On mobile though the Sheets app is definitely the best way to navigate it.

If you have the app, then it should automatically open in the app when you click the spreadsheet link.

Ok I got Google Sheets, but when will it be updated? I see the pages as you mentioned and is beautiful work that you have done. But all i see are the placeholder Bugatti cars
(Sorry for nagging)

 

[Theufcveteran]

Ok I got Google Sheets, but when will it be updated? (Sorry for nagging)

Very soon, in the next hour at most. And no worries 🙂

 

[jrbabbitt]

Very soon, in the next hour at most. And no worries 🙂

Thank you

 

[Sir Crashalot]

Category: 100PP
Nordschleife - Fiat 500 - 99.59PP
Car tuned: Yes
Assists: ABS weak
Wheel/Controller: Controller
Lap time: 13:30.826




I like slower cars but that one was really, really slow, especially at the uphill sections😬😄

 

[Theufcveteran]

@Sir Crashalot @jrbabbitt Your times are posted. Sorry for the delay, I had family visiting.

Jrbabbitt, I didn't think about this before but it is possible that having times on the board in the same category that are slower than your fastest time might create a bit of a jam on the board over time, if lots of folks play.

I think it makes sense to only have your fastest time for a given category as the one on the board, but I'd like to hear from you and others if that's okay.

On the board, I made the assists section a yes/no thing as listing multiple would go over the cell length. I could do a "legend" with shorthand for each assist if you guys think that would be best.

 

[Sir Crashalot]

@Sir Crashalot @jrbabbitt Your times are posted. Sorry for the delay, I had family visiting.

There's nothing to be sorry about, everyone has a life besides the forum & GT7.

On the board, I made the assists section a yes/no thing as listing multiple would go over the cell length. I could do a "legend" with shorthand for each assist if you guys think that would be best.

I never used anything besides ABS & TC. So tbh I have no idea how much of an impact other assists have. But I'd say as long as assists used are mentioned in the post a yes/no in the sheet is fine. Or you could maybe use abbreviations. A for ABS, T for TCS, C for Counter steering and so on.

 

[jrbabbitt]

@Sir Crashalot @jrbabbitt Your times are posted. Sorry for the delay, I had family visiting.

Jrbabbitt, I didn't think about this before but it is possible that having times on the board in the same category that are slower than your fastest time might create a bit of a jam on the board over time, if lots of folks play.

I think it makes sense to only have your fastest time for a given category as the one on the board, but I'd like to hear from you and others if that's okay.

On the board, I made the assists section a yes/no thing as listing multiple would go over the cell length. I could do a "legend" with shorthand for each assist if you guys think that would be best.

Please omit my slower time, thank you

 

[Theufcveteran]

Please omit my slower time, thank you

Done, no worries. I also added some text to the first post explaining that to submit a new time in a PP category, it needs to be faster than the one you've previously set.

 

[jrbabbitt]

Done, no worries. I also added some text to the first post explaining that to submit a new time in a PP category, it needs to be faster than the one you've previously set.

My aim is to get one entry per pp category at Nordschleife