Gran Turismo Rally (special events)

[magburner]

Hey, have any of you guys checked out the Gran Turismo rally in the special events section of GT5? It's pretty cool thus far, bar one BIG problem - the lack of input from the co-driver.

The co-driver basically has fifteen un-modified commands, which revolve around the severity of the corner, or the length of the straight. Other than that you are left completely in the dark when it comes to tackling the courses on offer.

Now, don't get me wrong, he never stops talking; It's just that he is not saying anything that I could not glean just from looking at the on-screen track map. Far from giving you a clear image of the road ahead, the co-driver like to treat each stage like an automotive version of charades!

The thing is it seems like the stages are randomly generated, which is good. But, not so good, as there are often sharp corners over the top of blind hills, and the road often has negative camber, but the co-driver never eludes to that fact.

I wouldn't mind some information on what might be behind that blind hill, or the composition of the exit of a turn, whether the corner has negative camber, or any other piece of useful information that would in anyway, alter my driving style. What do you guys think?

Co-driver: There is a tight corner coming!
Me: And...!?
Co-driver: Its very tight!
Me: Oh fuuuuu...... D'oh!

 

[AgentGT]

Yeah the co-driver is a bit of a 5th wheel.

 

[GT Motion]

Oh well, I am happy we have Rally now and its brilliant and a blast to drive anyways even with the issue.

 

[Centura]

The thing is it seems like the stages are randomly generated, which is good. But, not so good, as there are often sharp corners over the top of blind hills, and the road often has negative camber, but the co-driver never eludes to that fact.

Yeah, gotta love those cars...

It's pretty funny when he tell you about the corner when I am already in the middle of said corner.

 

[bazylfox]

I don't want to start another thread regarding gran turismo rally specials, so gonna just write here

Yesterday evening i have completed last of those events "extreme".

I think they're terrible. I've goldened all (won in every of 8 stages in every rally) but i was driving like drunk !

Stages in Alasca are so **** up ! Don't mension driving phisics !?! Are there any ?

I was driving from "wall to wall" gaining penalty every time i hit the "invisible walls" and i was still winning by 30 sec per stage.

I have some rally experience and this model is so faaaaar from it that i was thinking is it still gt5 or just some arcade game on ps2.

Graphics ? there's none on Alasca Rally if not to mention start and finish.

Only reason i finished all stages was almost 200.000 Cr and free rally car ticket.

But i think that PD should never put this rallying into Gran Turismo. This is just tragic.

 

[Klonam]

The rallying in GT4 was enjoyable, I loved that and when I got my Cadillac CIEN

 

[paytonlow]

My gameplay video from DiRT2 (PC + DirectX 11), GT5's rally gave me quite a shock in the matter of WRC authentic feelings:



Link - Colin McRae: DiRT 2 - Malaya (Rally, Stage 2 of 2) - Subaru Impreza STI [DirectX 11]


Here's from WRC Channel, what WRC rally racing feels like in real world:




People who have played DiRT know DiRT2 lacks a lot of WRC elements, but even then DiRT2's driving environment and professional co-driver are more realistic than GT5's.

If you crash hard in DiRT & DiRT2, your car get totalled immediately, clean race is hard in DiRT (Normal mode) and DiRT2 (Hardcore mode) as all the environmental subjects can affect your car.

As back to topic, I've golded all the rally events without much trouble, DiRT really trained me well, and I miss the Pike Peak International Hill Climb track which GT5 should have included in my opinion.

Edit: YouTube embedded fixed, sometimes really annoying to post video on forums, they all use different tools...

 

[P3nT4gR4m]

I especially hate how, in advanced, the tracks are so windy that the copilot resorts to only telling you about every second or third bend and gives preference to the fast ones, so he'll tell you about a fourth gear corner, then he'll tell you about another 4th gear one, completely ignoring the second gear s-bend in the middle.

I'm sure if I chucked him out the car I'd gain a couple of seconds due to weight reduction

 

[Stotty]

I'm sure if I chucked him out the car I'd gain a couple of seconds due to weight reduction

LMAO

Have to admit I love the rally part of GT5... the co-driver is almost totally useless, but the physics feel wonderful - the car behaves exactly how I imagine it should do (having never driven a full on WRC car before).

They are easy to win for sure, but the fun is in the driving anyway.

 

[xlsound]

LMAO

Have to admit I love the rally part of GT5... the co-driver is almost totally useless, but the physics feel wonderful - the car behaves exactly how I imagine it should do (having never driven a full on WRC car before).

They are easy to win for sure, but the fun is in the driving anyway.

I respect your opinion but the rally events are nothing close to reallity specialy in the Sbastien Loeb special event the physics are nothing close to real.
In the Gran Turismo rally special events they are good, but when we start that Sébastian Loeb event the cars just slide down the tracks ignoring all the physics.

Grant Turismo is a wonderful game but the rally part of this game is nothing close to real.
just my opinion

 

[bazylfox]

Have to admit I love the rally part of GT5... the co-driver is almost totally useless, but the physics feel wonderful - the car behaves exactly how I imagine it should do (having never driven a full on WRC car before).

They are easy to win for sure, but the fun is in the driving anyway.

I totally agree but not in expert rally special event - i'm speaking for myself of course.

I'm really enjoying S Loeb specials. Eiger is simply stunning.

But Rally gran turismo expert stages ... just no

 

[Stotty]

Physics are the same in both events as far as I'm concerned.

And no one forces you to bounce off the walls

 

[magburner]

Hmmm.... I've been slowly working my way through the rest of these events, and I have come across another bugbear that is winding me right up - weather on the road courses.

I've noticed that when a track loads up, it will sometimes be raining. So, you put some rain tires on your car, and jump into the race... Either it stops raining before the first corner, or it was never raining in the first place!

I've had to race a couple of the stages in the advanced tarmac rally with rain tires on a completely dry surface, and all because of the misleading screens at the start of the stage!

 

[Tommy_861]

I have to admit I am somewhat enjoying the rally sections, even though it just doesn't feel "right", but it generally works for fun purposes. (Dirt 2 is a way better "rally" game though)

What I do wonder is they have this whole big GT rally with auto generated stages (which are WAYYYY too wide compared to a real life rally), which are cool but kinda featureless (although it had more features than I expected), but then they made these beautifully modeled rally tracks like Toscana and Eiger and Chaimonx that you only really get to drive for like 1 event (Loeb rally)? Ok you used Toscana in the Grand Tour as well (1 stage big deal), but between that and the huge number of rally cars in the game I feel like there is something missing, like they cut out rally events from the final product maybe to get people to play the GT Rally?

The whole thing just doesn't make sense. The worst part is once you finish expert there is no incentive to play again, at least if you grind A-Spec races you keep making XP and money.

Hmmm.... I've been slowly working my way through the rest of these events, and I have come across another bugbear that is winding me right up - weather on the road courses.

I've noticed that when a track loads up, it will sometimes be raining. So, you put some rain tires on your car, and jump into the race... Either it stops raining before the first corner, or it was never raining in the first place!

I've had to race a couple of the stages in the advanced tarmac rally with rain tires on a completely dry surface, and all because of the misleading screens at the start of the stage!

The rain is just kinda like a hint that the track is slippery compared to regular tarmac so you have to drive extra careful. You never need to bother with rain tires.

 

[ken2903]

I'm sick of getting rid of the map, only to have it back again for the next stage. It's not like the game doesn't 'remember' my preferences, I only need to hit start and enter the menu then leave and the map disappears again.

It's the same if you want to view the whole map, soon as you get to the next stage it reverts back to the default setting, go into the menu and then exit and it remembers. ****ing stupid.

 

[Big Ron]

One thing noone mentioned is the setup of WRC-cars driven against Sebastian Loeb or in online-mode.

The 4WD-balance is 20% front and 80% rear, even on gravel or snow. So it it more a tarmac setup but does not fit to dirt rallys and that´s why it feels so strange.

 

[ferdia]

Co-driver: There is a tight corner coming!
Me: And...!?
Co-driver: Its very tight!
Me: Oh fuuuuu...... D'oh!

What I always find funny on these races is when he says the next turn is "7 Right" or "7 Left" and we are in a 6 gear car. Lol.

 

[Highlandor]

I didn't think the rallying in this GT5 is any fun, whereas in GT4 and especially in the first few Colin Macrae games, it was just so much more enjoyable.

I remember the first Colin Macrae game on the PS1 was the kind of game you would play over and over again just because it put a smile on your face.

I was really looking forward to driving cars like the Lancia S4 and Intergrale in GT5 as the graphics on some of the stages looked really good and got me quite excited, however, pretty much as soon as I started the rally events I felt a sense of dissapointment.

I thought it would get better, but the more I played it the more dissapointed I became, especially as mentioned in the above posts the co driver is ridiculous (is he rolling a fat one instead of looking at the pace notes???) and some of the stages, like the snow rally, seem unrealistic.

But most of all, why oh why oh why do we have to have that ridiculous crowd of people whooping and hollaring at the start of each stage??

Never in my life have I been so tempted to run someone over...

👎

 

[250 GTO]

I like the rally races, it's a nice change from the track races, but why oh why do the track map have to be in the middle of the screen!!?? So annoying

 

[BOneFIshzz_]

The strangest thing is that I win the snow rally events easily, and I loose really bad on the gravel.

 

[JayJonesJunior]

Grant Turismo is a wonderful game but the rally part of this game is nothing close to real.
just my opinion

you can't say that and then just say it's your opinion...

it's a fact or not.

 

[MeanElf]

...I've noticed that when a track loads up, it will sometimes be raining. So, you put some rain tires on your car, and jump into the race... Either it stops raining before the first corner, or it was never raining in the first place!

Yeah, very naughty that. I don't mind so much that the rain stops as the track will stay wet for some time. It's the plainly misleading intros that cause you to fit rain tyres when there is nothing but a dry road ahead.

In real life the drivers are allowed to know beforehand what condition the track is in, the pit crew also acts accordingly - bit of a glitch that is.

I've said so before and so apologise for repeating myself now - but I would realy like to see some rally events turning up in the Seasonal section, or better still for a rally section to appear via patch. There are spaces available on GT Home and on the A/B-spec race sections. Also, rally has had a solid presence in all the GT titles I've played (except GT5...)

 

[Bigbazz]

Rallying is cool in GT5, physics have improved since GT4 by the bucketload, the co-driver is useless though, and the random generated rally courses are absolutely nothing like actual rallying, you got your football stadium wide roads... enough said really. Its a cool feature none the less, and i'm glad they are atleast trying to evolve the feature.

Looking at that DX11 DiRT2 video, the graphics are phenomenal there and the location looks beautiful, it makes GT5 look dated in some areas. The Co-driver works much better but those are premade tracks, so its non comparable. I do hope by GT6 that the rallying gets a proper overhaul, though the premade tracks in GT5 for rallying are very nice and i do enjoy them.

 

[Samus]

Rally physics are absolutely awful. I've never driven a rally car but I've seen enough WRC to see how these things handle. On gravel the cars just slide away from the corners all the time, and whilst in the real world sliding is the fastest way around most corners in GT5 you've got to try and drive it like a tarmac circuit to go fast. Anyone tried a scandanavian flick in GT5? Doesn't go well.

The tracks are another thing though, did PD watch any WRC before buying a license for it? The tracks are wider than a German Autobahn and have no features at all.

Really hate rally in GT5 and it's why I don't really care if they add Pikes Peak, with the GT5 rally physics you'll be sliding off into a ditch at every corner.

 

[Bigbazz]

Rally physics are absolutely awful. I've never driven a rally car but I've seen enough WRC to see how these things handle. On gravel the cars just slide away from the corners all the time, and whilst in the real world sliding is the fastest way around most corners in GT5 you've got to try and drive it like a tarmac circuit to go fast. Anyone tried a scandanavian flick in GT5? Doesn't go well.

The tracks are another thing though, did PD watch any WRC before buying a license for it? The tracks are wider than a German Autobahn and have no features at all.

Really hate rally in GT5 and it's why I don't really care if they add Pikes Peak, with the GT5 rally physics you'll be sliding off into a ditch at every corner.

I think that happens when you try to drive too fast, i dont disagree that the physics are off for rallying, but things become a lot more clear when you slow down a bit.

 

[thesuperfunk]

What I always find funny on these races is when he says the next turn is "7 Right" or "7 Left" and we are in a 6 gear car. Lol.

The number that the co-driver shouts are related to the severity of the corner, not a suggested gear ... the lower the number, the tighter the bend!

 

[Samus]

I think that happens when you try to drive too fast, i dont disagree that the physics are off for rallying, but things become a lot more clear when you slow down a bit.

But that's the thing. Watch some real rallying, how fast they can go. In this game unless you slow down to 50mph you'll just slide off the corner. That Toscana tracks seems to be worst for it. That long sweeping down/uphill would be taken at crazy speeds whislt going sideways in real rallying, in this game you have to try and drive it slowly without sliding.