Gran Turismo Sport - Current tire wear list

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  1. Majorwolf72

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    With the crazy tire wear in the current FIA races this is what this season has come down to: Less tire wear - better chances in the race. Or a chance at all, that is.

    Now, there‘s a list of fuel usage and a general overview over the types of tires comparing in wear. There‘s not yet been, to my knowledge, a list ranking single cars according to their tire wear. It‘s a little subjective and of course it comes down to driving style, break balance settings, wheel or controller, what track you are on etc., but I have a feeling there still is a common understanding out there, like „Car A is better on tires than car B...“ or „Car x is horrible/ amazing on the tires...“. It just hasn’t been compiled in to a list, to my knowledge.

    Below is the list, started with the input of LeGeNd-1, posted by him following my original call, MASSIVE shoutout to you for the great effort in testing all of these cars!! „What a Legend you are, m8!“ (Quote unquote Kie25 :lol:) Cars were tested by him on one lap around Bathurst with 50x tire wear on RSS, ABS Default, other aids off, BoP with default settings. Wear is rated from 1-10 (10 is full health and 1 is all red), taken from right front tyre because it's the one that wears the most on this track. In the rare cases with a few MR cars that the rears wear a bit more it is noted. Physics model is currently post update 1.38 (April 2019), gear used was a Thrustmaster T-GT, so add some wear when using a controller.

    Feel free to add, re-arrange, disagree, discuss...

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    Gr. 3

    Toyota FT-1 VGT Gr.3 - 6 (joint best)
    McLaren 650S - 6 (joint best)
    Ford GT - 6- (slightly worse than FT1)

    Citroen GT - 6F/5R
    Peugeot VGT - 6F/5R
    Lamborghini Huracan - 6F/5R
    Audi R8 - 6F/5R

    BMW Z4 - 5.5
    Mercedes AMG GT- 5.5
    Alfa Romeo 4C- 5.5
    VW Golf VGT - 5.5
    Peugeot RCZ - 5.5
    Renault Sport RS01 - 5.5

    Mercedes SLS - 5
    Toyota Supra - 5
    BMW M6 - 5 (both variants)
    VW Beetle - 5
    Mazda Atenza - 5
    Porsche 911 RSR - 5
    Honda NSX - 5
    McLaren F1 - 5
    Ferrari 458 Italia - 5 (rears wear slightly more)

    Aston Martin Vantage - 4.5
    Dodge Viper - 4.5
    BMW M3 - 4.5
    Lexus RC-F - 4.5 (both variants same)
    Mitsubishi Lancer Evo - 4.5

    Subaru WRX - 4
    Jaguar F-Type - 4
    Chevrolet Corvette - 4
    Nissan GT-R - 4
    Ford Mustang - 4
    Hyundai Genesis - 4


    Gr. 4

    Alfa 4C - 6 (best)

    Renault Megane Trophy - 5.5
    Toyota 86 - 5.5

    Porsche Cayman - 5+ (slightly better than other 5s)

    VW Scirocco - 5
    Ferrari 458 Italia - 5
    Citroen GT - 5
    Honda NSX - 5
    Lamborghini Huracan - 5
    Mazda Atenza - 5

    Audi TT - 4.5
    McLaren 650S - 4.5
    Subaru WRX - 4.5

    Hyundai Genesis - 4
    Aston Martin Vantage- 4
    Dodge Viper - 4
    Mercedes SLS - 4
    Nissan GT-R - 4
    Mitsubishi Lancer Evo - 4
    Renault Megane - 4

    Chevrolet Corvette - 3.5
    Jaguar F-Type - 3.5
    Ford Mustang - 3.5
    BMW M4 - 3.5
    LEXUS RC-F - 3.5

    Bugatti Veyron - 3 (joint worst)
    Peugeot RCZ - 3 (joint worst)


    Gr. 2

    Generally quite close between all of them, the difference could be just due to test driver getting better on the track with each car.


    Nissan GT-R '16 - 6.5

    Lexus '08- 6
    Nissan GT-R '08 - 6
    Honda NSX '16 - 6
    Lexus '16 - 6

    Honda NSX '08 - 5.5


    Gr. 1

    Audi R18 '11 - 7.5 (joint best)
    Toyota TS030 - 7.5 (joint best)
    Mazda LM55 - 7.5 (joint best)

    Toyota TS050 - 7
    Dodge Tomahawk - 7
    Mazda 787 - 7
    Sauber Mercedes C9 - 7
    Peugeot 908 - 7
    Hyundai N2025 VGT - 7

    Jaguar XJR - 6.5
    Nissan R92CP - 6.5
    Peugeot VGT - 6.5
    Bugatti VGT - 6.5
    McLaren VGT - 6.5
    Audi R18 '16 - 6.5
    Porsche 919 - 6.5

    Porsche 962C - 6
    Alpine VGT - 6
    Audi VGT- 6

    Nissan GT-R LM - 4 (or even lower... :lol: )


    Gr. B

    Peugeot RCZ - 5.5 (best)

    Honda NSX - 5

    Audi Quattro - 4.5
    Toyota 86 - 4.5
    Hyundai Genesis - 4.5
    Mitsubishi Lancer Evo - 4.5
    Subaru WRX - 4.5
    Ford Focus - 4.5

    Ford Mustang - 4 (joint worst)
    Nissan GT-R - 4 (joint worst)
     
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  2. Lost Sheltie

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    For Gr.4 Alfa and the Renault Megane Trophy are the best, and the Peugeot and the 4wd cars are the worst. For Gr.3 just put all MR cars at the bottom.

    Problem is that I think they might change a few things after the end of the pre-season FIA manufacturer races, of which the last round is on Saturday (or at least I hope they will).
     
  3. LeGeNd-1

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    I did huge test with all the Gr cars the other week. 1 lap around Bathurst with 50x tyre wear on RSS, ABS Default, other aids off. All cars are BOP with default settings (including brake balance 0). Reason I chose Bathurst is the wide variety of corners, and a long enough lap to see significant wear with 50x (but not too much that the tyres are fully gone). Most importantly, I can drive reasonably consistent laps here with a wide variety of cars. As you said tyre wear is highly driving style dependent, so I drove at 90% to keep consistent comparison and not slide the tyres. Just let the car do the work basically. I rated wear from 1-10 (10 is full health and 1 is all red), taken from right front tyre because it's the one that wears the most. In rare cases with a few MR cars the rears wear a bit more, so I left a note saying this. I'm not the fastest driver around but I'm pretty confident in consistency (all laptimes were within 1 sec in each Gr), but even so I'm not a robot so results may be off by +/- 0.5. I tried leaving the driving to AI auto drive but they don't push the tyres hard enough in the corners to get significant different results.

    Gr.4
    458 - 5
    Citroen - 5
    650S - 4.5
    NSX - 5
    Cayman - 5+ (slightly better than other 5s)
    4C - 6 (best)
    Megane Trophy - 5.5
    86 - 5.5
    Viper - 4
    SLS - 4
    Vette - 3.5
    Jag - 3.5
    Mustang - 3.5
    Aston - 4
    M4 - 3.5
    RCF - 3.5
    Hyundai - 4
    Huracan - 5
    Veyron - 3 (joint worst)
    GT-R - 4
    Mazda - 5
    WRX - 4.5
    Evo - 4
    TT - 4.5
    Megane - 4
    RCZ - 3 (joint worst)
    VW - 5

    Gr.3
    Beetle - 5
    WRX - 4
    Jag - 4
    Aston - 4.5
    SLS - 5
    AMG - 5.5
    Vette - 4
    Supra - 5
    FT1 - 6 (joint best)
    M3 - 4.5
    M6 - 5 (both variants same)
    RCF - 4.5 (both variants same)
    GT-R - 4
    Evo - 4.5
    Mazda - 5
    Mustang - 4
    Hyundai - 4
    Z4 - 5.5
    Viper - 4.5
    911 - 5
    458 - 5 (rears wear slightly more)
    Alfa - 5.5
    Golf VGT - 5.5
    Citroen - 6F/5R
    Pug VGT - 6F/5R
    RCZ - 5.5
    RS01 - 5.5
    Ford GT - 6- (slightly worse than FT1)
    NSX - 5
    Huracan - 6F/5R
    R8 - 6F/5R
    F1 - 5
    650S - 6 (joint best)

    Gr.2
    NSX '11 - 5.5
    Lexus '11 - 6
    GT-R '11 - 6
    NSX '16 - 6
    Lexus '16 - 6
    GT-R '16 - 6.5
    Generally quite close between all of them, the difference could be just due to me getting better with each car.

    Gr.1
    962C - 6
    787 - 7
    C9 - 7
    XJR - 6.5
    R92CP - 6.5
    Audi - 6
    Hyundai - 7
    Pug VGT - 6.5
    Bugatti - 6.5
    Mazda - 7.5 (joint best)
    Tomahawk - 7
    McLaren - 6.5
    Alpine - 6
    GT-R - 4 (lol rekt)
    Pug 908 - 7
    R18 '11 - 7.5 (joint best)
    TS030 - 7.5 (joint best)
    TS050 - 7
    R18 '16 - 6.5
    919 - 6.5

    Gr.B
    Quattro - 4.5
    NSX - 5
    RCZ - 5.5 (best)
    Mustang - 4 (joint worst)
    86 - 4.5
    Hyundai - 4.5
    GT-R - 4 (joint worst)
    Evo - 4.5
    WRX - 4.5
    Focus - 4.5

    So there you go. Nothing earth shattering that we don't already know about the results. Unless you're comparing extremes (like Gr.4 Alfa and RCZ), driving style and pace will affect wear more than the car itself in most cases. Hope that's useful. Knowing my luck PD will probably change all this in the next update anyways :lol:
     
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  4. talhaONE

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    I hope you meant Renault sport Rs 01 since megane is only on gr.4.
     
  5. Majorwolf72

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    Completely new list above, and yeah, my bad :cheers:
     
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    Btw can we do the same list for Fuel usage?
     
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    There is one for fuel usage, it‘s in the stickies

    Based on LeGeNd-1‘s list, here‘s your comprehensive Manufacturers‘ tire wear overview under the current physics/BoP model (Gr.3 and Gr.4 are divided by //, combined possible tire wear indices (current Manufacturer „tire worthiness“ for FIA) given in brackets upfront).

    Naturally, this is only ONE variable that plays into a Manufacturers‘ cars strengths and weaknesses. By no means is e.g. Alfa Romeo the „Meta“ for the season solely based on their tire wear. But it is important enough this season to warrant a list like this IMHO.


    (11.5) Alfa Romeo 4C - 5.5 // Alfa Romeo 4C - 6

    (11.5-10.5) Toyota FT-1 VGT Gr.3 - 6 / Toyota Supra - 5 // Toyota 86 - 5.5

    (11.0-9.5) Renault Sport R.S. 01 - 5.5 // Renault Sport Megane Trophy - 5.5 / Renault Sport Megane - 4

    (10.5) Citroen GT - 6F/5R // Citroen GT - 5

    (10.5) Lamborghini Huracan - 6F/5R // Lamborghini Huracan - 5

    (10.5-9.5)McLaren 650S - 6 / McLaren F1 - 5 // McLaren 650S - 4.5

    (10.5-10.0) VW Golf VGT - 5.5 / VW Beetle - 5 // VW Scirocco - 5

    (10.0+) Porsche 911 RSR - 5 // Porsche Cayman - 5+ (slightly better than other 5s)

    (10.0) Mazda Atenza - 5 // Mazda Atenza - 5

    (10.0) Honda NSX - 5 // Honda NSX - 5

    (10.0-) Ferrari 458 Italia - 5 (rears wear slightly more) // Ferrari 458 Italia - 5

    (10.0) Audi R8 - 6F/5R // Audi TT - 4.5

    (9.5-9.0)Mercedes AMG GT- 5.5 / Mercedes SLS - 5 // Mercedes SLS - 4

    (9.5- -7.5) Ford GT - 6 (slightly worse than FT1) / Ford Mustang - 4 // Ford Mustang - 3.5

    (9.0-8.0) BMW Z4 - 5.5 / BMW M6 - 5 (both variants) / BMW M3 - 4.5 // BMW M4 - 3.5

    (8.5) Peugeot VGT - 6F/5R / Peugeot RCZ - 5.5 // Peugeot RCZ - 3

    (8.5) Aston Martin Vantage - 4.5 // Aston Martin Vantage- 4

    (8.5) Dodge Viper - 4.5 // Dodge Viper - 4

    (8.5) Mitsubishi Lancer Evo - 4.5 // Mitsubishi Lancer Evo - 4

    (8.5) Subaru WRX - 4 // Subaru WRX - 4.5

    (8.0) Nissan GT-R - 4 // Nissan GT-R - 4

    (8.0) Hyundai Genesis - 4 // Hyundai Genesis - 4

    (8.0) Lexus RC-F - 4.5 (both variants) // Lexus RC-F - 3.5

    (7.5) Jaguar F-Type - 4 // Jaguar F-Type - 3.5

    (7.5) Chevrolet Corvette - 4 // Chevrolet Corvette - 3.5
     
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  8. gtpierre

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    Good job !

    Did you use a wheel or DS4 ?
     
  9. LeGeNd-1

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    @Majorwolf72 for the Nissan GT-R LM Nismo, I didn't crash. The "lol rekt" part is just poking a joke at how bad this car's wear is compared to the other Gr.1. Serves Nissan right for building an FF LMP :p

    All tested with T-GT. I've heard pad users usually have higher wear rates, so if you minus 1 from all the cars that should give a rough idea. It shouldn't change the relative comparison between cars though.
     
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    Check, top post edited accordingly.
     
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    @Famine I think, this is the kind of overview we might want to keep upfront by pinning it.

    Hope people get involved in the discussion and update it as needed when the physics model/ BoP changes.
     
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    There's actually an article coming up soonish that sort of relates to it. I'll see how it fits in when that goes live.
     
  13. breeminator

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    To show how YMMV, I did some testing myself today, in preparation for Wednesday's Nations Cup. I set up a lobby with 26x tyre wear and drove 5 laps of Monza with RH tyres, and recorded the wear at the end. Using the same scale as you, my results were:
    Corvette - 6.5
    GT-R - 6
    Mustang - 5.75
    F1 - 5.5
    650S - 5.5

    So I had the opposite result between the Corvette and 650S, for example.
     
  14. Groundfish

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    My opinion...since no one asked lol...
    Tire wear is largely dependent on driving style/decisions.
    Of course if you are driving an fr gr4 it’s font wheel drive...very easy to overwork the fronts...
    I did well at Suzuka and I noticed there’s one section in particular that maybe the 3 tenths you get f I’m pushing isn’t worth the tire damage you cause...
    It’s not just car x burns tires at a certain rate, not at all, it depends how much friction you apply...jmo...
     
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    As I state in the first paragraph of my original post:

    „It‘s a little subjective and of course it comes down to driving style, break balance settings, wheel or controller, what track you are on etc.“

    Still, here we had ONE driver trying them all, so the list has some value therefore. Naturally if other drivers compare certain cars the results may differ, say your just a talented driver on the MR‘s, then you may have less wear than LeGeNd-1.

    That’s interesting!

    I will use the long weekend to do some testing there myself, I drive Dragon Trail as consistent as a robot :lol:

    Thanks for the testing, m8! :cheers:

    Check, looking forward to it! :tup:
     
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    I should mention, I used TC 2, which could change things between cars compared to TC 0.
     
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    Another interesting point... although I guess the influence of TCS is minor
     
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    I definitely expected some differences. As I said in my original post unless you're comparing extremes any car in the middle spectrum is going to be influenced more by your pace/driving style/track characteristic. In this case, my driving style is more suited to MR cars so I would've worked the fronts less than you. Also Bathurst has a lot of high energy corners going downhill so a front heavy car will naturally suffer more. Whereas Monza has a few sustained long corners (Curva Grande, Parabolica, Lesmo 1) and MR cars with a light front end will slide more in these types of corners.

    Agree with this as well. Even underdriving one corner can have a large impact with high tyre wear rate, because of the multiplication effect. I'm definitely not saying my test is end all be all. I suppose we'll never get a concrete rating until a perfect driver drives all the cars on all tracks, and averages the rating, but ain't no one got time for that :p

    I find the Fuel Consumption thread to be a bit useless as well because of this. Even just shortshifting once can have a large impact on fuel saving in high multiplier races. Also some cars suffer less speed loss due to the powerband when shortshifting, so the numbers mean even less in a racing situation. It's nice for data mining geeks like me to have lists like these but often times it's quite clear what the meta car for an event is, despite what their fuel/tyre consumption says.
     
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    Interesting test. The one major caveat on tire wear in general is how it impacts the car's overall performance as the race progresses.

    One example is the wear rate between front and rears in FR cars. It used to be that they have been closer to even or biased somewhat to the front depending on car and driver. Now the fronts are getting toasted while the rears are still in good shape, leading to understeer that gets progressively worse. On the extreme end are some of the FF/AWD cars where wear looks almost okay for a lap or two and then wear goes on an exponential curve because the rears are doing less or almost none of the work. While red fronts on many FR cars are a pain, they make FF and AWD cars all but undrivable machines ready to straightline into a wall.

    Similar thing with MR cars. One positive for my Pug VGT is that the wear is almost neutral and the car can still go around the track okay until the rears go below 25%. Same can't be said for a Huracan or the R8. I avoid those cars because once the rears start to wear, they are on ice skates and that only destroys the rubber even more.

    Long story short, comparing tire wear between cars may not be as relevant since the impact on lap times are going to differ.
     
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    Just tested those same cars (plus the SLS) on Dragon Trail, 4 Laps, 15x tire wear, BoP, TCS 0.
    Results by wear of front left tire, remaining wear out of 10.

    650 S: 6, but rear left worn more!
    SLS: 5.5
    GT-R: 5.5
    Corvette: 5
    Mustang: 4.5
    F1 GTR: 4.5

    Maybe you are a Corvette whisperer :lol:
     
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    What did you do with brake balance? I adjusted it to try to make front and rear wear equal. In the case of the Corvette, I didn't get the balance right, so I took the average, but I did later run it again with a balance that correctly equalised the wear, and it did worse, making the new result:
    Corvette - 6
    GT-R - 6
    Mustang - 5.75
    F1 - 5.5
    650S - 5.5
     
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    Brake balance was 0 with all cars for neutral results.
     
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    With Update 1.39 and the new physics I guess we have to retest :banghead:
     
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    I don't have the energy to redo everything :lol: Someone else can take the mantle.

    I wouldn't expect too much relative difference between cars though. Rear tyre wear is going to be slightly worse because of more lift off oversteer and exiting a corner now favours a lead footed approach, but that's about it. Also the upcoming FIA season finally returns to reasonable tyre wear, so the difference between cars is not going to be as exaggerated.
     
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