Gran Turismo World Series discussion (2026 Manufacturers Cup: 14th - 28th Jan)

[MCL1974]

This is a clip from my race yesterday; the guy in pole forgot to change tyres after qualifying and this is what happened...

Not showing this to make fun of him, I really don't find it amusing in any way. This driver does have my admiration, he did not quit, like I likely would have done, no, he struggled to the pits, changed tyres and continued dead last in the last slot of the day. Hat's off to him!

This is just a reminder that no matter how good or bad you are, we are all human and make mistakes...It is all about how you handle it!

 

[BGreenFace]

I was just about to point that out, too. Seems to affect GT2 in North America and GT3 in Europe.

I hope those results are just taking time to be updated… I really don’t want those scores to be, for some reason, deleted from the servers and it would count as if we hadn’t taken part in this round. If it does I hope PD would give a bonus round for those in those classes…

 

[stpatty]

I leave here below this picture to show you also what was happening to the timing... never seen anything like that...
What do you think?

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This happens when you're viewing a replay and skipping from car to car or lap to lap. If you switch to another car then back it fixes the lap times. It's nothing to worry about.

This is a clip from my race yesterday; the guy in pole forgot to change tyres after qualifying and this is what happened...

Not showing this to make fun of him, I really don't find it amusing in any way. This driver does have my admiration, he did not quit, like I likely would have done, no, he struggled to the pits, changed tyres and continued dead last in the last slot of the day. Hat's off to him!

This is just a reminder that no matter how good or bad you are, we are all human and make mistakes...It is all about how you handle it!

The guy who started last in my race did this too. It's wild that the game's been out as long as it has and still doesn't make it clear what the weather's going to be at the start of a race like this.

 

[VTEC Driver]

This happens when you're viewing a replay and skipping from car to car or lap to lap. If you switch to another car then back it fixes the lap times. It's nothing to worry about.

Ok, good to know.
But what about to those cars that were moving here and there like a crazy ball but still running in the race as nothing was happening?
Is it anything that I am the only one noticing or they are teletrasported without any perseption of that?

 

[Famine]

But what about to those cars that were moving here and there like a crazy ball but still running in the race as nothing was happening?
Is it anything that I am the only one noticing or they are teletrasported without any perseption of that?

Standard connection issues. If everyone else is glitching it's either you or - in fixed server events like this - the server.

Have you been through all the steps in the pinned Connection Issues thread?

 

[GT5Apex]

This round went slightly better than the Road Atlanta round.

I qualified in P10 with a 1:32.0, and i was kinda disappointed that i couldn't break into the the 1:31's.

During the first couple of laps of the race, nothing interesting happened apart from an Audi spinning out. Then on lap 6, i got on the brakes a bit too late at the hairpin, and slightly bumped the 458 in front of me, so i slowed down and let them back through, and i lost a position to a GTR in doing so.

I entered the pits at the end of lap 11 for mediums, and then on my out lap i clipped the inside kerb of the final right hand corner before the small straight under the bridges, which caused me to run wide on to the large outside kerb, which caused me to spin since it was still soaking wet. Thankfully i only lost a position to a Mazda who was on worn inters, and i gained the position back at the final corner.

At the end of lap 14, i was right behind P8 and P7 but i ran slightly wide at the final corner and my car understeered off the track due to the track edge being damp, and i lost a position to a BMW, but on lap 15 i gained that position back from the BMW since they ran wide at the multi right hand corner section, but then i immediately give the position back at the final corner after going on to the damp bit of track again.

During the next couple of laps, me and the BMW gained a couple of positions due to people spinning and 1 person pitting really late. Then on lap 19, the BMW made another mistake at the multi right hand corner section, which allowed me to move into P7.

Then on the final lap, i set the fastest lap of the race by 0.012.

I finished in P7 and walked away with 205 points. I could've maybe have walked way with a slightly better result if i never made those mistakes on the mediums and if i never bumped the 458.

 

[stpatty]

I don't really have a report for yesterday. I started 14th and finished 4th because I can drive in the wet and nobody else can. I qualified a full 2 seconds off pole so I was a bit worried. Having a look, two wet runners and a medium runner in front of me so there are some positions for free. I got two positions into the first corner and everything went fine from there. I probably got held up a bit in the first few laps before the rain cleared, but it was fine. I was up to 6th by the end of lap 6.

I pitted on lap 11, everyone else on lap 12. I thought I could have gone a lap earlier but I bottled it, and in the end my outlap was that fearful of the wet bits it was probably the right choice. I had a look at a move into the hairpin on lap 13 but thought I was going to die as I started to slide under braking, so I left it. On lap 15th the top two both went off at the chicane. A Lambo who I had followed through the pack went off on the same lap and I was comfortable in 4th until the end.

4th place and 170-something points. Very happy.

 

[Mumster]

I don't really have a report for yesterday. I started 14th and finished 4th because I can drive in the wet and nobody else can. I qualified a full 2 seconds off pole so I was a bit worried. Having a look, two wet runners and a medium runner in front of me so there are some positions for free. I got two positions into the first corner and everything went fine from there. I probably got held up a bit in the first few laps before the rain cleared, but it was fine. I was up to 6th by the end of lap 6.

I pitted on lap 11, everyone else on lap 12. I thought I could have gone a lap earlier but I bottled it, and in the end my outlap was that fearful of the wet bits it was probably the right choice. I had a look at a move into the hairpin on lap 13 but thought I was going to die as I started to slide under braking, so I left it. On lap 15th the top two both went off at the chicane. A Lambo who I had followed through the pack went off on the same lap and I was comfortable in 4th until the end.

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4th place and 170-something points. Very happy.

I had almost the same race. GT2 door 16 124 pts up for grabs. Finished 7th even after getting punted on lap 12. No one seems to be able to drive in the rain. I’ll take the 94 points.

 

[Uday9479]

So a very interesting strategy is at play for R3 at Deep Forest.....

As most of You'll be aware we have only RM tyres to drive with for 20 laps. The point to note is that a pit stop is mandatory but tyre change isn't. So if You're good on tyre saving + have the car that can assist You further in making the RM tyres last through 20 laps, You'll save anywhere between 5-6 seconds when compared to those who pit & change the tyres. But having close to fully worn out tyres in the dying stages of the race is the biggest threat to a good result.

This is a familiar domain for the top rated drivers who not only will manage to not change tyres but will be consistently fast.

 

[BGreenFace]

Still no round 2 points for American gt2 class players…
Don’t know about EMEA gt3 though.

 

[Blade_Rudder]

Still no round 2 points for American gt2 class players…
Don’t know about EMEA gt3 though.

Same for EMEA GT3. They only have round 1

 

[Pakiti]

Not happening. This is a screenshot from a Polish guy who's streaming right now. This is what Inters will look like around lap 6, and he's got the best case scenario since he's leading (so least drying out of everyone) and he's actively going off the dry line down the straights.

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Start of lap 11:
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End of lap 11:
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Polyphony have this set up to force a pit stop and make everyone drive the dry line. There is no escaping it without shooting yourself in the foot

So a very interesting strategy is at play for R3 at Deep Forest.....

As most of You'll be aware we have only RM tyres to drive with for 20 laps. The point to note is that a pit stop is mandatory but tyre change isn't. So if You're good on tyre saving + have the car that can assist You further in making the RM tyres last through 20 laps, You'll save anywhere between 5-6 seconds when compared to those who pit & change the tyres. But having close to fully worn out tyres in the dying stages of the race is the biggest threat to a good result.

This is a familiar domain for the top rated drivers who not only will manage to not change tyres but will be consistently fast.

This is interesting. I'll run a simulation with different TCS values.

 

[Moose78]

I've done some strategy testing today at Deep Forest to see if there is any advantage or disadvantage to changing tires on the mandatory pit.

To test this, I ran two 20-lap custom races in each car (afternoon, S05 weather). In both races, I pitted on lap 10. In one, I changed tires. In the other I didn't.

To eliminate any variation over the first 9 laps, for both races I just picked the faster of each lap as the lap time for those laps.

Here are the results:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	Tire change	20​	1:28.015​	1:28.202​	1:29.726​	29:54.529​
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	No tire change	20​	1:28.313​	1:28.483​	1:29.807​	29:56.144​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	Tire change	20​	1:28.519​	1:28.650​	1:29.953​	29:59.067​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	No tire change	20​	1:28.655​	1:28.662​	1:29.966​	29:59.323​

Lap times:

Tire tread levels at pit:

Manufacturer	Model	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	70%​	60%​	70%​	60%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	70%​	65%​	80%​	75%​

Tire tread levels at finish:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	Tire change	70%​	60%​	70%​	60%​
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	No tire change	40%​	20%​	40%​	25%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	Tire change	70%​	65%​	80%​	75%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	No tire change	35%​	20%​	55%​	40%​

There's an obvious advantage to me in changing tires on the Renault. Surprisingly, the Aston Martin is about the same either way. I only did the one round of testing for each strategy, though. Maybe another round would reveal some bigger differences.

 

[VTEC Driver]

Standard connection issues. If everyone else is glitching it's either you or - in fixed server events like this - the server.

Have you been through all the steps in the pinned Connection Issues thread?

Only a few cars were glitching, not all of them.

Didn’t know that was existing such thread.
I will check it.
Thanks a lot.

 

[KAlex122]

The Jag has an obvious advantage for me. I'm so bad on tyre management, i don't have to think about not changing tyres.

 

[VTEC Driver]

I've done some strategy testing today at Deep Forest to see if there is any advantage or disadvantage to changing tires on the mandatory pit.

To test this, I ran two 20-lap custom races in each car (afternoon, S05 weather). In both races, I pitted on lap 10. In one, I changed tires. In the other I didn't.

To eliminate any variation over the first 9 laps, for both races I just picked the faster of each lap as the lap time for those laps.

Here are the results:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	Tire change	20​	1:28.015​	1:28.202​	1:29.726​	29:54.529​
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	No tire change	20​	1:28.313​	1:28.483​	1:29.807​	29:56.144​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	Tire change	20​	1:28.519​	1:28.650​	1:29.953​	29:59.067​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	No tire change	20​	1:28.655​	1:28.662​	1:29.966​	29:59.323​

Lap times:
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Tire tread levels at pit:

Manufacturer	Model	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	70%​	60%​	70%​	60%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	70%​	65%​	80%​	75%​

Tire tread levels at finish:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	Tire change	70%​	60%​	70%​	60%​
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	No tire change	40%​	20%​	40%​	25%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	Tire change	70%​	65%​	80%​	75%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	No tire change	35%​	20%​	55%​	40%​

There's an obvious advantage to me in changing tires on the Renault. Surprisingly, the Aston Martin is about the same either way. I only did the one round of testing for each strategy, though. Maybe another round would reveal some bigger differences.

Thanks for your valuable work as always.
I think that the only “strategy” is when to change the tires.
The performance in the Renault is quite stable along the 20 laps (I just did this test), so changing after 5 laps or after 15 laps should be done on what is happening on the track, if we have traffic to avoid or not.

 

[SeleneX]

Why did they ditch the old format or longer tournament seasons with less % of the total races required as your scores?

The format we have now sucks & feels too restrictive, like it's just another thing they've changed for the benefit of eSports people.

5/6 required for a full score is annoying when half of the races are in the work week, & two of the ones that are on the weekend are nightmarish for mistakes (rain + Nurburg 24h).

These micro tournaments are nowhere near as fun as the 20 race tournaments that last 2 months & you could afford to miss a few due to life commitments & still get some good results in.

I've done some strategy testing today at Deep Forest to see if there is any advantage or disadvantage to changing tires on the mandatory pit.

To test this, I ran two 20-lap custom races in each car (afternoon, S05 weather). In both races, I pitted on lap 10. In one, I changed tires. In the other I didn't.

To eliminate any variation over the first 9 laps, for both races I just picked the faster of each lap as the lap time for those laps.

Here are the results:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	Tire change	20​	1:28.015​	1:28.202​	1:29.726​	29:54.529​
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	No tire change	20​	1:28.313​	1:28.483​	1:29.807​	29:56.144​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	Tire change	20​	1:28.519​	1:28.650​	1:29.953​	29:59.067​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	No tire change	20​	1:28.655​	1:28.662​	1:29.966​	29:59.323​

Lap times:
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Tire tread levels at pit:

Manufacturer	Model	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	70%​	60%​	70%​	60%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	70%​	65%​	80%​	75%​

Tire tread levels at finish:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	Tire change	70%​	60%​	70%​	60%​
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	No tire change	40%​	20%​	40%​	25%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	Tire change	70%​	65%​	80%​	75%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	No tire change	35%​	20%​	55%​	40%​

There's an obvious advantage to me in changing tires on the Renault. Surprisingly, the Aston Martin is about the same either way. I only did the one round of testing for each strategy, though. Maybe another round would reveal some bigger differences.

Was this done on a wheel?

Tyre wear is usually way worse on controller, so curious how viable this would be on controller.

 

[Pakiti]

I've done some strategy testing today at Deep Forest to see if there is any advantage or disadvantage to changing tires on the mandatory pit.

To test this, I ran two 20-lap custom races in each car (afternoon, S05 weather). In both races, I pitted on lap 10. In one, I changed tires. In the other I didn't.

To eliminate any variation over the first 9 laps, for both races I just picked the faster of each lap as the lap time for those laps.

Here are the results:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	Tire change	20​	1:28.015​	1:28.202​	1:29.726​	29:54.529​
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	No tire change	20​	1:28.313​	1:28.483​	1:29.807​	29:56.144​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	Tire change	20​	1:28.519​	1:28.650​	1:29.953​	29:59.067​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	No tire change	20​	1:28.655​	1:28.662​	1:29.966​	29:59.323​

Lap times:
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Tire tread levels at pit:

Manufacturer	Model	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	70%​	60%​	70%​	60%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	70%​	65%​	80%​	75%​

Tire tread levels at finish:

Manufacturer	Model	Strategy
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	Tire change	70%​	60%​	70%​	60%​
Renault	R.S.01 GT3 '16	No tire change	40%​	20%​	40%​	25%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	Tire change	70%​	65%​	80%​	75%​
Aston Martin	V12 Vantage GT3 '12	No tire change	35%​	20%​	55%​	40%​

There's an obvious advantage to me in changing tires on the Renault. Surprisingly, the Aston Martin is about the same either way. I only did the one round of testing for each strategy, though. Maybe another round would reveal some bigger differences.

I'm surprised that the Aston Martin turned out to be slower. At Road Atlanta, one of the competitors in one of these simply drove away from me on the straight, and here there are two of them, and they're very long. In your testing, which TCS did you use? 0?

 

[Met Entso]

Why did they ditch the old format or longer tournament seasons with less % of the total races required as your scores?

The format we have now sucks & feels too restrictive, like it's just another thing they've changed for the benefit of eSports people.

5/6 required for a full score is annoying when half of the races are in the work week, & two of the ones that are on the weekend are nightmarish for mistakes (rain + Nurburg 24h).

These micro tournaments are nowhere near as fun as the 20 race tournaments that last 2 months & you could afford to miss a few due to life commitments & still get some good results in.


Was this done on a wheel?

Tyre wear is usually way worse on controller, so curious how viable this would be on controller.

I don't know... I stopped trying to make any sense of PD's decisions.

 

[Moose78]

Was this done on a wheel?

Nope. Just the standard DS controller. I use the analog sticks for both steering and brakes.

I'm surprised that the Aston Martin turned out to be slower. At Road Atlanta, one of the competitors in one of these simply drove away from me on the straight, and here there are two of them, and they're very long. In your testing, which TCS did you use? 0?

The Aston Martin is a little weird that way. It can get a great run out of some corners, but it doesn't have the best top speed. I really struggle with it on some mid-speed corners, too. Turn 4 (100R) at Fuji, for example, is just brutal in this car for some reason.

Yeah. I keep TCS at 0 for all my testing. Same for BB.

 

[MCL1974]

Why did they ditch the old format or longer tournament seasons with less % of the total races required as your scores?

The format we have now sucks & feels too restrictive, like it's just another thing they've changed for the benefit of eSports people.

5/6 required for a full score is annoying when half of the races are in the work week, & two of the ones that are on the weekend are nightmarish for mistakes (rain + Nurburg 24h).

These micro tournaments are nowhere near as fun as the 20 race tournaments that last 2 months & you could afford to miss a few due to life commitments & still get some good results in.

So agree, 6 races cramped in a few weeks is not a proper competion. Work, study or daily life will influence on competing and for most it will be difficult to do a sufficient number of races. For me this is the case; I work in shifts, also in the weekend so I will miss several races and can not really compete like I would like to. I really miss the real competion you had in GT Sport, proper length seasons with both gr. 3 and gr. 4.

But PD is not stupid, are they? Their data will likely show a higher participation in this format of cramped races without the gr. 4!?