Gran Turismo World Series discussion

[Pakiti]

What can I say? Us mooses aren't known for our speed.

Mind you, those numbers come from custom races where fuel consumption and tire wear multipliers are applied. The fuel weight and reduced grip in those conditions tend to result in slower laps.

Just for reference, I did some laps in Free Practice yesterday -- where fuel consumption and tire wear are disabled -- and posted a 1:19.5 in the Ford and 1:19.2 in the Subaru. Not spectacular, by any means, but definitely faster than what I can manage when the multipliers are in effect.

Well, there you go, I just thought I'd beaten Moose)) I still have a long way to go to match your speed.

My times under 1:20 were in practice, and I also tried custom tires to gauge tire wear. My times there were 1:20-1:21, which I also consider very good for a C-rating. What surprised me was that even with very worn tires, when only a thin white line was visible, I could still run 1:22, and only when the tire turned completely red was it, of course, impossible to drive.

I've managed a sub 1:19 in free practice in the porky 991 on softs, but in quali only mid 1:20 (if I'm lucky)

Strategy was 10xS and 20xM

Was held up for most of the race 🤔 - Not a lot of overtake places.

Was being hunted down last lap hand over fist by another 991, who'd done 7xS, 12xM,11xM

I'd say his ability was 1sec a lap faster than me, I was being cautious on the last couple of laps as the Mediums didn't look like they were going to last , but I did a 1:22.051 on the last lap, vs his 1:20.821

I also lean toward a 7xS, 12xM, and 11xM strategy. My lap time difference between the soft and medium tires is surprisingly small, and since I'm riding on a controller, my tire wear is high. It's better to sacrifice lap time for consistency.

 

[Skidude88]

With only 2 days between events, that's not enough to get to grips with car and track and then test various stratergies!!

 

[VillaJ100]

Interesting with TCS to save (i assume rear) tyre wear, how much on average would that cost in time per lap? Any car with less than 600bhp I have to use 0 TCS or it feels like it has 50 cement bags in the ass out of corners

 

[Hdbd04]

For the first time, I've actually dabbled on the strategy of the tyres for this upcoming round by myself. But prior to doing it, I've decided to do a few practice laps to get the hang of the car and track.

Slightly around the 102%, of a driver who had just discovered cloning. Not bad, eh?

But lap times are useless, from the moment after qualifying. Which was when a day after setting a lap time, I've decided to go on the worst combination possible, on the spot to test the waters. Starting on mediums, then softs, and pitting for softs again in the last stage of the run.

It was wiser for me to set the TCS to 1 for the car in general, I could never trust the supercharger in the thing too much. Still, the TCS wasn't as intrusive compared to how it was back in GT Sport.

From here, I've compiled a small table with the laps, with comments about the fuel and tyres throughout.

Throughout the first 14 laps, I've managed to nestle between the high 1:19s and middle 1:20s (excluding some penalties for cutting). The mediums felt comfortable to drive which could help if I really wanted to drive conservatively to prolong my tyre life. But the pit to switch tyres and fuel was a major turning point. The default refueling from the custom race settings, took a minute in total to get it full. I don't know what exactly is the refueling speed for the actual round, but I'm lazy to find it out now. And it's safer to decide later on than to bet on it.

This was the part where it was less of strategy and more of thinking of how the softs worked in the F-Type. Obviously, it did wonders for speed, giving me a mid to low 1:19. But it only last for roughly 7 laps before it all went red for the front left. Which made me think the softs would work for the middle of the race if I wanted to (or possibly could only) do a 3-stopper.

But it's clear that I would have to start in softs to catch up with the pack, while pitting in for mediums with minimal time spent on fuel. Which is a good thing since a full refuel could take a minute. And maybe, if either the mediums or the fuel gave in, I could pit for softs, or stay out if everything is still fine.

Either way, I still have to test again if I can find the time.

 

[TinleyPork]

Hi guys. Finally doing one of the multi day events and I have some questions.

Does it only score your best finish or can you accumulate a higher score by joining multiple races?

I'm down in gt3 and on Saturday the pole setter and p2 car decided on mutually assured destruction, taking each other out. I finished first. (Go me!) I found time to do another race, took the wets when most players went IM, and got another W. However in the standings, it only does I have 13 points. I picked Lexus thinking I would have a better chance at finishing higher up, but the top car has 59 points. So if it is cumulative, where is my other 13 point finish in the standings?

I kind of assumed it would only take your best finish for your score, making the 13 points make sense, but when i see the Lexus rankings I'm way down on the list because I only have one score instead of the two I finished.

Can someone please explain this to me?

Also my user name here is the same as on play station if anyone wants to add me, the friends list is woefully short on racers.

 

[Famine]

Does it only score your best finish or can you accumulate a higher score by joining multiple races?

Neither. It's the score from the last race you enter - even if you disconnect and score zero.

We do an accompanying article for each season, and explain everything we can think of:

Gran Turismo World Series Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season Returns November 12

As we were expecting after the sudden appearance of a Gran Turismo World Series Nations Cup Exhibition Season last month, there's a new Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season on its way soon too. Getting underway on November 12, after the conclusion of this weekend's GTWS Round 3 in Los Angeles, the

www.gtplanet.net

As usual, you can enter as many of those slots as you wish for each round, but only the last race you enter counts towards your score. And that is “enter”, not “complete”: if you disconnect from a race your score will become zero unless you can enter another race after that and register a finish. You should therefore not get too greedy, as your next race might be worse — and you’re only allowed one missed or dropped round in the ranking, as your best five races counting towards your overall score.

World Series points are derived from the median Driver Rating of players in the lobby, very roughly giving 1/200th to the winner.

In GT3 your maximum DR (at the start of the series; it can become higher in the duration of it) would be 9,999pt, so in a lobby where that's everyone's score is exactly that the winner should be getting ~50pt.

I'll assume that the lead Lexus in GT3 currently has a DR B rating - your League is fixed by your DR rating when you enter, and remains the same even if you have a higher DR - and is thus racing with the highest-rated drivers also in GT3, which could a GT3 lobby with a median DR of around 12000pt in order to generate a 59pt win.

Edit: The lead Lexus has 53pt, and is indeed listed as being DR B but his profile looks like he's had a DR reset since then at DR C/SR D... Yikes

 

[JDMKING13]

That's crazy fast. Are you A+? And good tip on using TC to preserve tyres.

Yea I am… but on the lower side… I can do 19:5 Through out the whole race… I try to stay in mid 19 to low 20 on the softs to bring them home.. it’s gonna be tough though.. I gotta master my medium tires stint and try to get to 20 laps so far I can get to 19.

 

[TinleyPork]

Neither. It's the score from the last race you enter - even if you disconnect and score zero.

We do an accompanying article for each season, and explain everything we can think of:

Gran Turismo World Series Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season Returns November 12

As we were expecting after the sudden appearance of a Gran Turismo World Series Nations Cup Exhibition Season last month, there's a new Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season on its way soon too. Getting underway on November 12, after the conclusion of this weekend's GTWS Round 3 in Los Angeles, the

www.gtplanet.net

World Series points are derived from the median Driver Rating of players in the lobby, very roughly giving 1/200th to the winner.

In GT3 your maximum DR (at the start of the series; it can become higher in the duration of it) would be 9,999pt, so in a lobby where that's everyone's score is exactly that the winner should be getting ~50pt.

I'll assume that the lead Lexus in GT3 currently has a DR B rating - your League is fixed by your DR rating when you enter, and remains the same even if you have a higher DR - and is thus racing with the highest-rated drivers also in GT3, which could a GT3 lobby with a median DR of around 12000pt in order to generate a 59pt win.

Edit: The lead Lexus has 53pt, and is indeed listed as being DR B but his profile looks like he's had a DR reset since then at DR C/SR D... Yikes

Thanks for the response. So i got really lucky winning my second race, but since I'm down here at the kids table 13 is the best I can do? Damn. Well I guess I picked the right car if the first place guy is also terrible. Thanks again for the link and the good information. There's only 1 other guy who picked Lexus in my local area and he only got a 6 so at least we are in the same division of bad. That also explains why the top 2 qualifiers decided to make it a crash up derby. Big fish in a small pond baby, let's go.

Neither. It's the score from the last race you enter - even if you disconnect and score zero.

We do an accompanying article for each season, and explain everything we can think of:

Gran Turismo World Series Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season Returns November 12

As we were expecting after the sudden appearance of a Gran Turismo World Series Nations Cup Exhibition Season last month, there's a new Manufacturers Cup Exhibition Season on its way soon too. Getting underway on November 12, after the conclusion of this weekend's GTWS Round 3 in Los Angeles, the

www.gtplanet.net

World Series points are derived from the median Driver Rating of players in the lobby, very roughly giving 1/200th to the winner.

In GT3 your maximum DR (at the start of the series; it can become higher in the duration of it) would be 9,999pt, so in a lobby where that's everyone's score is exactly that the winner should be getting ~50pt.

I'll assume that the lead Lexus in GT3 currently has a DR B rating - your League is fixed by your DR rating when you enter, and remains the same even if you have a higher DR - and is thus racing with the highest-rated drivers also in GT3, which could a GT3 lobby with a median DR of around 12000pt in order to generate a 59pt win.

Edit: The lead Lexus has 53pt, and is indeed listed as being DR B but his profile looks like he's had a DR reset since then at DR C/SR D... Yikes

Yea I am… but on the lower side… I can do 19:5 Through out the whole race… I try to stay in mid 19 to low 20 on the softs to bring them home.. it’s gonna be tough though.. I gotta master my medium tires stint and try to get to 20 laps so far I can get to 19.

So tomorrow's race we have to use both soft and medium, is that right?

 

[JDMKING13]

So tomorrow's race we have to use both soft and medium, is that right?

Yup! Try to master the one stop if you can.. if not try to stay on your pace for the two stop… both are stressful…😬

Let me know if anyone wants to practice I am off for the rest of the day!

 

[Thorson1987]

Can't do the midweek races usually due to work, so today is my first race for the series.

Going in absolutely blind in a car I had done 30km on previously so that should be fun.

Will manage to do the first 2 timeslots, so using the first one as a guide (unless I do well and don't want to risk it in the 2nd race)

 

[JDMKING13]

Open room lobbies with the right setting can be good training tool.. I wasn’t so fast this race I ran into traffic lapping a few cars but I got to 20 on the mediums and surprisingly a easy 10 on the softs.. I saved better on my soft stint however I ran TCS 2 the whole stint vs the medium stint I ran TC 2 after 10 laps.

My medium stint suffered bad at the end though so that’s what I gotta practice on.. Did a 19.4 in race on the mediums with a a fastest lap of 19:2 on the Softs.

 

[Moose78]

PSA: Remember to practice pit exit and re-entry here. It's easy to get it wrong and end up with a 3-second penalty, especially when you're on nearly bald tires.

Good luck to everybody racing tomorrow!

 

[TinleyPork]

Yup! Try to master the one stop if you can.. if not try to stay on your pace for the two stop… both are stressful…😬

Let me know if anyone wants to practice I am off for the rest of the day!

I just did a practice race vs sophy where I started on mediums and went 21 laps, then finished on the softs.

42:12.865 total time should be good enough to win in the bottom division, right?

That's a long pit stop at ~25 seconds and my soft and medium lap times aren't that much different. I was 1.22 1.23 for first 14 then 1.24 for the next 7. I started myself 17th out of 20 so some of those could have been quicker if not for traffic.

I think I might want to start on mediums tomorrow unless I'm a top 5 qualifier. I'm more inclined to push the tires limits with the softs and don't want to use them up too fast out of the gate. I don't think I can get faster than that with 2 pit stops.

PSA: Remember to practice pit exit and re-entry here. It's easy to get it wrong and end up with a 3-second penalty, especially when you're on nearly bald tires.

Good luck to everybody racing tomorrow!

I turned TCS to 0 and moved the brake balance all the way back to try and get a few more laps out of the front left tire.

 

[tmtk]

Did some testing in training lobby set up by @dazdilly75
And surprisingly 1 stop strategy is viable for me, but only when I start on mediums.
First stint on softs lasts 7 laps, rest is limping badly.

Mediums can run 20 laps even without any tire saving skills (that's me).
And yeah, the pit entry after the crest, easily done wrong.

Good luck y'all!

 

[JDMKING13]

I just did a practice race vs sophy where I started on mediums and went 21 laps, then finished on the softs.

42:12.865 total time should be good enough to win in the bottom division, right?

That's a long pit stop at ~25 seconds and my soft and medium lap times aren't that much different. I was 1.22 1.23 for first 14 then 1.24 for the next 7. I started myself 17th out of 20 so some of those could have been quicker if not for traffic.

I think I might want to start on mediums tomorrow unless I'm a top 5 qualifier. I'm more inclined to push the tires limits with the softs and don't want to use them up too fast out of the gate. I don't think I can get faster than that with 2 pit stops.


I turned TCS to 0 and moved the brake balance all the way back to try and get a few more laps out of the front left tire.

If you master the 1 stop it should be a guarantee Top 5 for you good luck!

 

[dazdilly75]

Did some testing in training lobby set up by @dazdilly75
And surprisingly 1 stop strategy is viable for me, but only when I start on mediums.
First stint on softs lasts 7 laps, rest is limping badly.

Mediums can run 20 laps even without any tire saving skills (that's me).
And yeah, the pit entry after the crest, easily done wrong.

Good luck y'all!

Great racing with you bud! Yeah, that pitlane at RA entry and exit can easily catch people out. Especially with badly worn tyres. Good luck tomorrow bud! Hopefully, we'll get the result we want!

 

[TinleyPork]

If you master the 1 stop it should be a guarantee Top 5 for you good luck!

42.11.409 with 2 stops going balls out. A single second faster.

Hmm. I think I like that better than trying to hang on to my tires.

 

[Thorson1987]

Well that was just like a really long Daily Race.

Not going again, too annoyed at that.

 

[TinleyPork]

Well that was just like a really long Daily Race.

Not going again, too annoyed at that.

I like a long race with tire wear and fuel consumption much better than the regular daily races.

 

[Thorson1987]

I like a long race with tire wear and fuel consumption much better than the regular daily races.

So do I. It's great in the league I'm in.

But the racing in my race was just like a Daily Race.

 

[Wilsonson]

Pad god Calster has made a guide.

One important point he made is that the put stop time in the live GTWS event recently was shortened compared to the regular time it takes in our testing here. If that is true in the race today then that would make a 2 stopper more viable.

He is also specifically talking about tire saving on a pad. Personally I yank the stick all the way to the side through most corners. Definitely have to stop that and try to only push as far as necessary. The tire screeching sound is a good indicator how much is too much. However I am not sure my clumsy thumps will be able to learn it.

 

[FlapJackFlash]

GT2 EMA 1st slot, all B lobby

I felt very slow here in the 911 but think that's entirely due to me. Qualifying I could only get 1 clean lap with a 1.19.020 which put me 10th on the grid (12 on the doors). Had only practiced the 1 stop starting on softs which was just about manageable, so decided to start on M with the hope the lighter fuel load when it came to the S run would make them last longer.

First few laps were very aggressive and I got hounded down to 12th as people tried to make moves that were not on, slowing us both down for other people to overtake and I will generally chicken out of contested corners to save my tyres and prevent contact.

Looked like most people started on M as well. Leader in a Peugeot was on S for 11 laps and then as other M runners started to pit around lap 12/13 me and a few other cars around me started gaining places as we were all on a 1 stop.

M lasted very well in the first stint, put TC to 1 by lap 15 to save them a bit and by lap 18 was 2nd after some more pits and spins. The leaders were coming up on me and I let them through as obviously faster and then pit on lap 20 for S. with a sliver of white on the front left.

Came out in 8th with some space but my head was still firmly in 'worn medium' mode so wasn't pushing the softs as hard as I could. A few more late pitters for their 2nd S stint jumped me to 6th. A BMW exited the pit just behind me, went for a lunge and took themselves out in the grass.

Lots of space in front and behind then just meant a steady pace to the finish, but then the race leader decided to stop on the last corner as they had punted off the car behind me about 10 laps ago and they waited for them. Very noble! Finished in 5th for 125 points.

1 stopper was very doable for me if starting on M, I think it would have been very stressful if I had started on S or had qualified higher and still started on M.

I'm finding the races quite stressful as I don't think I have the pace to be in the races I am, it's only the research on here that is keeping me this high!

 

[dazdilly75]

Pad god Calster has made a guide.

One important point he made is that the put stop time in the live GTWS event recently was shortened compared to the regular time it takes in our testing here. If that is true in the race today then that would make a 2 stopper more viable.

He is also specifically talking about tire saving on a pad. Personally I yank the stick all the way to the side through most corners. Definitely have to stop that and try to only push as far as necessary. The tire screeching sound is a good indicator how much is too much. However I am not sure my clumsy thumps will be able to learn it.

Caister is an anomaly, so the deficiencies faced by pad users who experience bad tyre wear, don't really apply to him. Still a great guide though.

 

[VillaJ100]

Just did my race. Qualified third so decided to start on the softs, worked well, 1st was in a league of his own, was pulling away about 0.250 a lap on the medium, 2nd was another RSR and kept a gap of about a second to and 4th was about 4 seconds back. I put brake bias to the rear and tried to drive smooth.

I knew second was fried as he pitted lap 7 so knew those mediums wouldn't last. At the end of lap 10 I estimated I had about 10% front right soft left, so pushed an 11th lap, big mistake as it died just before the tight right handers leading onto the back straight, the second one i seem to randomly lose time on anyway, and briefly lost 2nd. Pitted lap 11 for mediums, no fuel. Came back out around 9th with a gap, everyone in front slowly pitted including the early stopping RSR and found myself about 9 seconds and growing 0.750 a lap behind 1st and about 8 seconds ahead of 3rd.

Most stopped twice, the guy who inherited 3rd from the RSR didn't but was overtaken on the last lap by them. Just kept it clean and finished in second. I think the leader 458 had his softs die in the last lap as I caught up about 7 seconds to him but still finished 7 seconds back. Was enough life in the medium to have gone another lap I think so if id have made the stop on lap 10 I may have caught hi. In the end finished with a time of around 40:30, 7 seconds behind the winner and about 18 secs ahead of 3rd. If not for all the intel here id have definitely stopped twice though! Thanks all!!

 

[Hdbd04]

For the first time, I've actually dabbled on the strategy of the tyres for this upcoming round by myself. But prior to doing it, I've decided to do a few practice laps to get the hang of the car and track.
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Slightly around the 102%, of a driver who had just discovered cloning. Not bad, eh?

But lap times are useless, from the moment after qualifying. Which was when a day after setting a lap time, I've decided to go on the worst combination possible, on the spot to test the waters. Starting on mediums, then softs, and pitting for softs again in the last stage of the run.

It was wiser for me to set the TCS to 1 for the car in general, I could never trust the supercharger in the thing too much. Still, the TCS wasn't as intrusive compared to how it was back in GT Sport.

From here, I've compiled a small table with the laps, with comments about the fuel and tyres throughout.
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Throughout the first 14 laps, I've managed to nestle between the high 1:19s and middle 1:20s (excluding some penalties for cutting). The mediums felt comfortable to drive which could help if I really wanted to drive conservatively to prolong my tyre life. But the pit to switch tyres and fuel was a major turning point. The default refueling from the custom race settings, took a minute in total to get it full. I don't know what exactly is the refueling speed for the actual round, but I'm lazy to find it out now. And it's safer to decide later on than to bet on it.

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This was the part where it was less of strategy and more of thinking of how the softs worked in the F-Type. Obviously, it did wonders for speed, giving me a mid to low 1:19. But it only last for roughly 7 laps before it all went red for the front left. Which made me think the softs would work for the middle of the race if I wanted to (or possibly could only) do a 3-stopper.

But it's clear that I would have to start in softs to catch up with the pack, while pitting in for mediums with minimal time spent on fuel. Which is a good thing since a full refuel could take a minute. And maybe, if either the mediums or the fuel gave in, I could pit for softs, or stay out if everything is still fine.

Either way, I still have to test again if I can find the time.

Turns out I was blind about the fuel rate being 1x instead of 4x, which is great that I don't have to think about short shifting. But it was a good 41 minutes that I can't get back. Will join the second slot in the next two hours or so.

 

[Skidude88]

Calamity, 1st race. Q9, some how missed selecting mediums in pitstop, so put on 2nd softs in error on lap11.

Next race a Q14. Did the same again! realised, I thought I was selecting no fuel, somehow exited without changing tyres🤦

3rd race Q5, 1.5 secs off the front 3, they were low18, (I've only done that in free practice a couple of times).

They were 2x stopping.

Running 3rd at end of race a lambo went past like I was standing still, and then one of the top 3 guys a few laps later. The lambo was 0 tyres on lap 28, took out the top guy as he went for 2nd....

... inherited a podium

...Lambo did honourable thing and let the guy he took out get 3rd on the line (but only just!)

 

[Wilsonson]

I just did the last early race in EMEA GT2. Stacked all B lobby for 135 points with me (very high B) only being door 12 and door 2 already having 250+ points on the clock.

I pulled a miracle 18.4 out of my I-don't-know-where-this-came-from hat and qualified P1.

I was quite convinced that some of those behind me may have more natural pace than me and also I am prone to inconsistent driving. I still tried to go for the 10 S/ 20 M (or 11 S if I manage) strat applying Calster's tire savings tips. The most important of which was to go slowish (~170 kph) through T1 to allow for minimal steering input.

But of course the following is true and I lost massive pace trying this:

Caister is an anomaly, so the deficiencies faced by pad users who experience bad tyre wear, don't really apply to him. Still a great guide though.

I managed to hold up the pace leader for 5 laps but then let them through without much of a fight. I came into the pits on lap 10 in P5 roughly 8 or so seconds back from the leader. Tire was holding onto a thread and I didn't want to risk a terrible lap 11.

I then quickly realized that I was the only one on the S/M 2-stopper strategy and somewhat got my hopes up.

There actually was one brave soul who tried the 9/21 but was spinning all over the place in lap 28 needing to take a desperation pit stop.

All other did the 3-stop some even a 16/7/7. When the race picture got clear at around lap 23 it got clear that I had a shot at a podium. The leader actually came out of the pits slightly ahead of me with the 2nd fastest driver catching me up steadily and me letting them go without a fight on lap 25.

Holding onto P3 would be getting tough though because the 4th of our group of quick drivers was catching up fast too. At the end of lap 28 my tires looked good enough that I didn't risk getting an all red in lap 30 and I decided to defend my rapidly shrinking 2 second lead going all out. They were right up my tail going into the last lap. Because my tires were terrible and me being terrified of going wide I accidentally breaked way too much down to 155 kph going into T1 with them sending me to the shadow realm on accident.

They apologized afterwards and other than leaving even more space (which is a big ask in this situation) there is really nothing they could do. Overall this whole race was a very pleasant surprise with regards to sportsmanship. No dumb dive bombs all race. I was very impressed.

I managed to bring home P6 for 107 points which is fine.

The race was a lot of fun and I will do one more tonight. This time I will do a safe 2 stopper going all out every lap though. Most stressful race of my life it feels like. I am just a bit scared of getting into a low points lobby again like last race at Spa.

 

[tmtk]

I then quickly realized that I was the only one on the S/M 2-stopper strategy and somewhat got my hopes up.

Seems like you're talking about 1-stop strategy here or am I reading it wrong?

 

[TinleyPork]

Calamity, 1st race. Q9, some how missed selecting mediums in pitstop, so put on 2nd softs in error on lap11.

Next race a Q14. Did the same again! realised, I thought I was selecting no fuel, somehow exited without changing tyres🤦

3rd race Q5, 1.5 secs off the front 3, they were low18, (I've only done that in free practice a couple of times).

They were 2x stopping.

Running 3rd at end of race a lambo 'Lola' went past like I was standing still, and then one of the top 3 guys a few laps later. The lambo was 0 tyres on lap 28, took out the top guy as he went for 2nd....

... inherited a podium


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Not taking tires in the pit lol I've done that for sure

 

[stpatty]

Tried a practice in the GT-R and 16 laps is as far as I could go on the mediums before I started slowing down. No way I'll manage a 1 stop. Stop twice and drive the wheels off it.