Gran Turismo World Series discussion

[dazdilly75]

Interlagos Round 3: Just from what I've seen in the practice lobbies, the Megane is going to have major issues against almost every other car. It's a sitting duck on the straights, so anyone in my slip stream is going to have a field day by the time we hit turn one. It has great agility, but it's not enough to compensate for its lack of top speed.

The Mclaren and the Lambo seem very strong, as do the Ferrari and Porsche Cayman. The first Megane on the leaderboard is currently 315th by an A+ Japanese driver.

Definitely a survival round for me.

 

[nostradavor2]

how come this race is so short? it's going to be tricky with evo I think but I hope for my first top 10

 

[VTEC Driver]

Interlagos Round 3: Just from what I've seen in the practice lobbies, the Megane is going to have major issues against almost every other car. It's a sitting duck on the straights, so anyone in my slip stream is going to have a field day by the time we hit turn one. It has great agility, but it's not enough to compensate for its lack of top speed.

The Mclaren and the Lambo seem very strong, as do the Ferrari and Porsche Cayman. The first Megane on the leaderboard is currently 315th by an A+ Japanese driver.

Definitely a survival round for me.

I’m going to use the Megane Trophy version.
I haven’t checked the speed of the others but this afternoon I noticed a Japanese in 31st position.
I am actually in the 1.400 place with a time of 1:38.xxx and I am a very low B driver.

I am moving forward some braking points especially at T3, now very close to 50 meter sign… but the critical aspect is how you turn on left releasing the brakes.

Also the T1 and how you decelerate, change gear and how you stay on left and turn immediately right to accelerate again.

With no tire strategy everything will be about clean trajectory and gaining speed…
…considering how much I am lucky I will be killed by some bomb-driver…

 

[dazdilly75]

I’m going to use the Megane Trophy version.
I haven’t checked the speed of the others but this afternoon I noticed a Japanese in 31st position.
I am actually in the 1.400 place with a time of 1:38.xxx and I am a very low B driver.

I am moving forward some braking points especially at T3, now very close to 50 meter sign… but the critical aspect is how you turn on left releasing the brakes.

Also the T1 and how you decelerate, change gear and how you stay on left and turn immediately right to accelerate again.

With no tire strategy everything will be about clean trajectory and gaining speed…
…considering how much I am lucky I will be killed by some bomb-driver…

That guy who was 38th this afternoon is now 300+ in rank and there isn't another Renault near his time. I tend not to do the TT and just try to concentrate on my race pace. But 1:40 is definitely achievable because I did it in a race quali. The problem with the Trophy is that is lacks top speed so you get drafted but you can't draft back. It's rally frustrating. The Mclaren on the main straight was about 5/6mph faster than me.

 

[VillaJ100]

Posting a lot faster times than me in the Cayman I can just about get into the 1:40.9's

 

[VTEC Driver]

That guy who was 38th this afternoon is now 300+ in rank and there isn't another Renault near his time. I tend not to do the TT and just try to concentrate on my race pace. But 1:40 is definitely achievable because I did it in a race quali. The problem with the Trophy is that is lacks top speed so you get drafted but you can't draft back. It's rally frustrating. The Mclaren on the main straight was about 5/6mph faster than me.

I am hoping to find drivers in a low B lobby that will not perform very well and maybe the fight among them could reduce their pace.
You are more skilled than me and you will be in A+ group, so for you will be much more challenging.

 

[dazdilly75]

I am hoping to find drivers in a low B lobby that will not perform very well and maybe the fight among them could reduce their pace.
You are more skilled than me and you will be in A+ group, so for you will be much more challenging.

I've just seen a German driver in the top 20 with a 1:39.708. I just did a time in the GR4 Megane FF and ilI managed a 1:40.663 I'm struggling to get that in the Trophy. Not sure why? But I think for race pace, the Trophy will be the better option. I'm going to test both and see how they compare.

(Edit) Just seen the top Renault driver in EMEA and he also used then GR4 Megane and he got a 1:40.639 so now I don't feel so bad! Lol

 

[Pakiti]

I'm so angry!!!
I was so looking forward to the Road Atlanta round, but everything went terribly, and that rare instance where it wasn't my fault.

First slot, I mistakenly went into qualifying on medium tires and finished P12. But I wasn't upset because I had good pace. On the first lap, before Turn 3, a car crashed into me from behind. My momentum knocked me out of the car in front and I got a 5-second penalty. Even that didn't stop me, and by lap 8, I was already in 8th place, still on medium tires. On the straight, before Turn 10, I got a better line than the 911, I lined up with it, taking the right lane, and it just swerved into me. It was 100% intentional; people just don't swerve that sharply!!!

In the second slot, I remembered the soft seats and finished second. By the third lap, I was already leading, but then, due to minor collisions, I dropped to third. On the same lap, I took a serious hit from behind, just before Turn 10, and was thrown into gravity. Such a hit couldn't have been a fluke.

Slot 3, P6. I was pushed off the track twice by a BMW driver, then hit in the rear by an Audi driver before Turn 6. I endured it all, as it was the last slot. On the last lap another Ferrari overtakes me going into turn 6, I take the left lane, we go through turn 6 together, I'm on the outside like a diligent S safety rating holder, giving him space at the apex, we also approach turn 7, I'm still ahead of him, but he just crashes into me, throwing me off the track.

It's simply impossible!!! It was already late and I was angry. Next time, I'll save a replay and show you. Am I just making this up, or is my location bothering so many people?

It looks like I need to learn to drive dirty, which is something I really didn't want to do, but otherwise I'll just get eaten.

 

[Fezzik]

or is my location bothering so many people?

Yes, some of it may be exactly because of that.

 

[Norbsthebald]

Hi @Pakiti , whilst I wouldn’t necessarily discount your concerns regarding location (which I don't know at all, by the way), did you say you were currently C SR? Sadly, you will be with those with low SR, which to me is the Occam's razor here. When I was at the very top of a ranking (for example DR Upper D, SR S) I would be in with those at the higher DR but low SR (so in this case DR C SR C) and it was just nasty with loads of racers for whom ramming others off is a valid tactic and a way of life. Get yourself in SR S lobbies - even if you do it by trundling round at the back and not going off - and you'll see the difference. Not perfect, but certainly a lot better...

In other news, have any Nissan runners tried Silvia vs GT-R Gr.4 yet? I'm going to try to compare tomorrow but if anyone else has data that would be good too.

 

[VillaJ100]

I'm so angry!!!
I was so looking forward to the Road Atlanta round, but everything went terribly, and that rare instance where it wasn't my fault.

First slot, I mistakenly went into qualifying on medium tires and finished P12. But I wasn't upset because I had good pace. On the first lap, before Turn 3, a car crashed into me from behind. My momentum knocked me out of the car in front and I got a 5-second penalty. Even that didn't stop me, and by lap 8, I was already in 8th place, still on medium tires. On the straight, before Turn 10, I got a better line than the 911, I lined up with it, taking the right lane, and it just swerved into me. It was 100% intentional; people just don't swerve that sharply!!!

In the second slot, I remembered the soft seats and finished second. By the third lap, I was already leading, but then, due to minor collisions, I dropped to third. On the same lap, I took a serious hit from behind, just before Turn 10, and was thrown into gravity. Such a hit couldn't have been a fluke.

Slot 3, P6. I was pushed off the track twice by a BMW driver, then hit in the rear by an Audi driver before Turn 6. I endured it all, as it was the last slot. On the last lap another Ferrari overtakes me going into turn 6, I take the left lane, we go through turn 6 together, I'm on the outside like a diligent S safety rating holder, giving him space at the apex, we also approach turn 7, I'm still ahead of him, but he just crashes into me, throwing me off the track.

It's simply impossible!!! It was already late and I was angry. Next time, I'll save a replay and show you. Am I just making this up, or is my location bothering so many people?

It looks like I need to learn to drive dirty, which is something I really didn't want to do, but otherwise I'll just get eaten.

That's rough! Honestly I'd do everything you can to get that safety rating to S, even if you have to finish last, especially as Daily A now is no DR effect. It can still be completely insane and sometimes even more annoying as the cheating can be more subtle but it does happen at least a bit less. All my manufacturer cup races have gone without incident so far albeit there have been a couple of hits through the field but generally its been if you leave space etc they won't actively try and kill you

 

[Pakiti]

Hi @Pakiti , whilst I wouldn’t necessarily discount your concerns regarding location (which I don't know at all, by the way), did you say you were currently C SR? Sadly, you will be with those with low SR, which to me is the Occam's razor here. When I was at the very top of a ranking (for example DR Upper D, SR S) I would be in with those at the higher DR but low SR (so in this case DR C SR C) and it was just nasty with loads of racers for whom ramming others off is a valid tactic and a way of life. Get yourself in SR S lobbies - even if you do it by trundling round at the back and not going off - and you'll see the difference. Not perfect, but certainly a lot better...

In other news, have any Nissan runners tried Silvia vs GT-R Gr.4 yet? I'm going to try to compare tomorrow but if anyone else has data that would be good too.

My SR is S, my mistake; I sometimes use Google Translate when writing, and it translates incorrectly. I've never dropped even to a SR A, as it's my principle to drive cleanly and leave room in the corner. That's what puzzles me, because others who drove dirty with me also had a good SR (S or A).

 

[Fezzik]

how come this race is so short? it's going to be tricky with evo I think but I hope for my first top 10

There's usually at least one boring no-strategy sprint in each season.

Interlagos is usually ok though for these short races. The twisty infield section keeps things tight. Just have to avoid the lap 1 carnage and don't pick up any penalties - the placement of the slow down zone is so evil even a 0.5s penalty can be a killer.

The recent daily race was good practice (though we're on the hards this week rather than mediums). I don't think another win is on the cards (especially in the Scirocco) but maybe a top 5 if I can qualify well.

 

[Norbsthebald]

My SR is S, my mistake; I sometimes use Google Translate when writing, and it translates incorrectly. I've never dropped even to a SR A, as it's my principle to drive cleanly and leave room in the corner. That's what puzzles me, because others who drove dirty with me also had a good SR (S or A).

You really do seem to have the rough end of the deal then, I have to say. In addition, this does mirror my own experience in that the mid-field is the worst place for dirty driving because people are just desperate for that P8 or higher to get DR up. Top 5 is usually OK, back of the field too, but around P6 - P10 it's elbows out time for many.

 

[Pakiti]

You really do seem to have the rough end of the deal then, I have to say. In addition, this does mirror my own experience in that the mid-field is the worst place for dirty driving because people are just desperate for that P8 or higher to get DR up. Top 5 is usually OK, back of the field too, but around P6 - P10 it's elbows out time for many.

I agree with everything. That's why, when qualifying is poor, I prefer to put on harder tires so I can outlast the cars ahead rather than fight them. Conversely, I put on softer tires so I can pull away.

 

[Hiponiak]

Yes, some of it may be exactly because of that.

Agree. if I see this country flag in a race definitely I'm not happy though I also try not to ram, way more satisfying is winning by skill, not by playing dirty.

 

[Hdbd04]

Yes, some of it may be exactly because of that.

Sometimes, if I see a driver with a Singaporean flag I would get a little bit spirited than needed to. But not to the point of ramming just because of the flag. Just pure envy that's all.

Although sometimes it might just be a Plilipino because PSN isn't a thing in the Philippines yet.

 

[Wilsonson]

I have no idea what @Pakiti s location is but just recently I saw an Israeli driver just get completely smoked for no reason whatsoever and I remember thinking to myself that maybe this move had racist or political motives.

 

[Skidude88]

In a lobby sim on my own I can only manage 1:42 dead, with fuel & tyres (cayman).

Joined a lobby race Qualified .5 ahead of 2nd

Could only manage 1.42.5 in the race.
Replaying others.. they were showing 1sec+ a lap quicker than me., and they were all over the place and tyres screaming, so I can't figure how they all managed to go 1sec quicker than they did to qualify and be quicker than me, trying to be smooth and precise

 

[MCL1974]

I have no idea what @Pakiti s location is but just recently I saw an Israeli driver just get completely smoked for no reason whatsoever and I remember thinking to myself that maybe this move had racist or political motives.

The world is full of idiots and so is this game. You can get sent into the gravel simply because you are from the 'wrong' country, for having a livery based on a F1 driver that others dislike or by one based on a rival football team. It's sad but unfortunately that is the world today. I try to avoid at least liverys that might upset some fool for whatever reason. For example; found out the hard way that sometimes other drivers do not like a Red Bull design...

Least us here at GT Planet can do is not only be clean on track but also here. No problem if someone says something like "I was hit from behind by a Spanish driver" but if someone rants here that Spanish drivers are dirty then for me someone is going to far.

(disclaimer: offcourse Spanish driver is only used as an example, you can use any county you like . Well... expect for 'Dutch', as we are all very clean and fair drivers, both in the game and in real life.)

 

[Famine]

Least us here at GT Planet can do is not only be clean on track but also here. No problem if someone says something like "I was hit from behind by a Spanish driver" but if someone rants here that Spanish drivers are dirty then for me someone is going to far.

Handily, also for us. There's nothing particularly wrong with a descriptive of someone in a particular incident, but using it as a generalisation for all players is not AUP-friendly.

I've not had to deal with a post like that in a very long time here though.

 

[Fezzik]

I don't know why we even need the flag identifiers. Other than the top splits competing for the Nations Cup, it's almost entirely irrelevant.

 

[Norbsthebald]

I don't know why we even need the flag identifiers. Other than the top splits competing for the Nations Cup, it's almost entirely irrelevant.

THIS.
I've always thought that the flag identifiers do nothing other than fostering the thinking that leads to some of the examples we see above, and it's definitely an area where GT could learn from Forza, where you can have a small pic of your choice (I chose the FM logo to stay nice and neutral).
At best the flag identifiers let compatriots "gang up" in teams to help each other out, at worst it's a red rag to a xenophobic bull of a driver.
My suggestion? For dailies, free choice. For Nations, free choice except where the lobby average DR exceeds 100k. For Manufacturers? Car badges.

 

[Wilsonson]

THIS.
I've always thought that the flag identifiers do nothing other than fostering the thinking that leads to some of the examples we see above, and it's definitely an area where GT could learn from Forza, where you can have a small pic of your choice (I chose the FM logo to stay nice and neutral).
At best the flag identifiers let compatriots "gang up" in teams to help each other out, at worst it's a red rag to a xenophobic bull of a driver.
My suggestion? For dailies, free choice. For Nations, free choice except where the lobby average DR exceeds 100k. For Manufacturers? Car badges.

Great suggestions. As a minimalist alternative I would suggest to at least give every driver the opportunity to opt out of showing their flag and simply display the GT logo or some other placeholder instead.

 

[NAXEHT]

Disagree. Flags and different countries are fun, more flags to the people. I know Scotland is quite requested to name one example.

 

[MCL1974]

Handily, also for us. There's nothing particularly wrong with a descriptive of someone in a particular incident, but using it as a generalisation for all players is not AUP-friendly.

I've not had to deal with a post like that in a very long time here though.

Maybe it is not said enough but I for one really appriciate the time you moderators spent here to keep it all safe and clean here. Thanks!!

 

[Famine]

I know Scotland is quite requested to name one example.

Won't happen though. SIE doesn't recognise it as a territory (which I think goes by sovereign states) so it's not available in GTSport/7. Other publishers/developers use their own criteria, but PD seems beholden to SIE for details like this, the language filter, voice chat, grief reporting...

 

[Norbsthebald]

Disagree. Flags and different countries are fun, more flags to the people. I know Scotland is quite requested to name one example.

But my suggestion of free choice would allow that. You want your pic to be the Scottish flag, or the lion rampant or whatever? Go for it.

 

[FlapJackFlash]

In a lobby sim on my own I can only manage 1:42 dead, with fuel & tyres (cayman).

Joined a lobby race Qualified .5 ahead of 2nd

Could only manage 1.42.5 in the race.
Replaying others.. they were showing 1sec+ a lap quicker than me., and they were all over the place and tyres screaming, so I can't figure how they all managed to go 1sec quicker than they did to qualify and be quicker than me, trying to be smooth and precise

I am also stuck in the cayman lack of race pace boat, and with no strategy needed I feel this might be my round that doesn't count towards the total

 

[Skidude88]

I am also stuck in the cayman lack of race pace boat, and with no strategy needed I feel this might be my round that doesn't count towards the total

My only tactic is keep it penalty free and facing the right direction.... and hope everyone else doesn't!

Oh, and I'm not blaming the Cayman for lack of pace ... I suspect that's all my doing.

I mentioned to a fellow racer this afternoon -This cup prep/practice is a little flawed, the free practice is without tyres or fuel, but at least you have a ghost and you can save best lap.....

You may as well be practicing in a different car, when it comes to actual quali & race.

I've started practicing in my own lobby so I know environment is as close to race as known at the time...but in there, there's no ghost and in VR, I've nothing to go on but 3 sector times. No lap export or review lap times on screen.🙆‍♂️🙇‍♂️