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If you choose Ford for Manufacturers Season, you can see the Ford GT for Gr.3. Any possibility to choose the Gr.3 Mustang?
The game will only loan you the 2018 GT when you sign for Ford but you are free to sign up for Manufacturers races with the Mustang if you have one in your garage. The same goes for the older GT Gr.3 models too. If you own them, you can use them.

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So how many of you Porsche entrants are going to switch to the GT3 R for the final round at Watkins Glen?
 
So how many of you Porsche entrants are going to switch to the GT3 R for the final round at Watkins Glen?
I think I’ll stick with the RSR for the final round has some sort of farewell to that car.
Also, since the GT3R is RR, I expect it to feel different then the RSR and I won’t have time to try it until late Friday afternoon so I won’t be used to it on the race Saturday.
Unless it is way faster than the RSR than maybe…
 
Practice seems to be showing semi-random weather for Spa. One of those classic GT7 ruler-straight weather fronts approaches the track slowly from some direction or another, and ends up around 5 miles away at the start of the session. But it's not 100% rain behind the front. So expect a dry start and possibly going onto inters around lap 5, or maybe not. After that is anyone's guess.
 
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Sunday afternoon I did some tests meaning after reaching the lap 6-7 and without rain I restarted the race... and again no rain.
This happened 4 times...
It seems that the real weather will be unknow till the real races will start tomorrow?
I expect same weather conditions for all of us...
 
So how many of you Porsche entrants are going to switch to the GT3 R for the final round at Watkins Glen?
Me and regardless of how it performs in regard to the BoP, I'll just have fun competing for this one round after years of inactivity in the GTWS.
 
Practice seems to be showing semi-random weather for Spa. One of those classic GT7 ruler-straight weather fronts approaches the track slowly from some direction or another, and ends up around 5 miles away at the start of the session. But it's not 100% rain behind the front. So expect a dry start and possibly going onto inters around lap 5, or maybe not. After that is anyone's guess.
Sunday afternoon I did some tests meaning after reaching the lap 6-7 and without rain I restarted the race... and again no rain.
This happened 4 times...
It seems that the real weather will be unknow till the real races will start tomorrow?
I expect same weather conditions for all of us...
It really seems like a copy paste from last year exhibition 3 and most people got rain but for some reason in my race it was dry all the way, not even a rain spot on the radar. I guess the weather is really random but with a very high possibility of rain…
 
It really seems like a copy paste from last year exhibition 3 and most people got rain but for some reason in my race it was dry all the way, not even a rain spot on the radar. I guess the weather is really random but with a very high possibility of rain…
It stayed dry? :odd: That's good to know, even if it is unlikely. I didn't do Manufacturers in the last exhibition season so seeing this for the first time.

From free practice so far I'd have sworn they've set this up to force a wet stint at some point with a wall of rain. That's definitely sneaky if it might not arrive at all with that mandatory pit stop.
 
So how many of you Porsche entrants are going to switch to the GT3 R for the final round at Watkins Glen?
I just hope it's good... presuming that's what it is. Wouldn't be the first time PD dropped a new edition to a GT3 car and it was horrible; worse than the original. The 18 GTR comes to mind; was one of the worst Gr3 cars right after it dropped.
 
It stayed dry? :odd: That's good to know, even if it is unlikely. I didn't do Manufacturers in the last exhibition season so seeing this for the first time.

From free practice so far I'd have sworn they've set this up to force a wet stint at some point with a wall of rain. That's definitely sneaky if it might not arrive at all with that mandatory pit stop.

Yeah I was prepared for a wet race but at lap 10 it still hadn’t rain and there no sign of rain on the radar so I simply boxed for a new set of medium at the end of lap 10. I don’t think I will have the same luck twice though…

And for those wondering if it stay dry, there is no way that the medium will get to the end, you will need to change them.
 
It really seems like a copy paste from last year exhibition 3 and most people got rain but for some reason in my race it was dry all the way, not even a rain spot on the radar. I guess the weather is really random but with a very high possibility of rain…
The last time this race was run, the different slots all had different weather patterns. One was a storm, one was bone dry (in GT1). Just get practice in all conditions and you'll be fine.

Big warning though: in Manufacturers last time they cover the track in some sort of powdered, water-activated lube for the race. What you think you might be able to get away with on slicks or inters may actually be time for full wets or even more serious kinds of rubber. As in, it was better to pit a lap early and cook some inters than to be caught out on slicks in the lowest faintest patch of light blue. So be careful.
 
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Big warning though: in Manufacturers last time they cover the track in some sort of powdered, water-activated lube for the race. What you think you might be able to get away with on slicks or inters may actually be time for full wets or even more serious kinds of rubber. As in, it was better to pit a lap early and cook some inters than to be caught out on slicks in the lowest faintest patch of light blue. So be careful.
Wouldn't that be rubber from slicks left on the track? I've heard that it tends to be really slippery on rubbered in surface when rain comes IRL.
 
Wouldn't that be rubber from slicks left on the track? I've heard that it tends to be really slippery on rubbered in surface when rain comes IRL.
Indeed. Wet line =/= dry line.

You cannot avoid the dry line completely of course, so must be careful. But that's all part of the fun! :D
 
I finally got around to doing some practice last night for tomorrow's round at Spa. I just did a 20-lap stint in Free Practice with each of my chosen manufacturers - Aston Martin and Renault.

As far as I can tell, the weather is an exact repeat of the race we had last season, with three stages of weather:
  1. Dry track - Laps 1-5 - Guaranteed no rain at the start of the race
  2. Dynamic heavy rain - Laps 6-15 - The rain is dynamic/random, so it could range anywhere from none to heavy. In Free Practice, if it does rain, the moisture gauge will hit the second tick and likely go slightly higher into the blue stuff. In the actual race, with the additional cars drying out the track, the moisture levels can fall into the middle range when the rain is lighter.
  3. Dynamic light rain - Laps 16-20 - Again, the rain is dynamic/random, ranging from none to light. In Free Practice, if there was heavy rain the previous stage, the moisture gauge stays pinned, or at least close, to the second tick mark. In the actual race, with more cars, the track can dry below the first tick mark, if memory serves.
When we had this race last season, I won a rainy one in the Subaru BRZ when I was the only driver to switch to W. Everybody else picked IMs. The Ws were great for the second stage and I was able to build a 15-second gap to the cars behind, but as the track dried out -- much more and much faster than I expected -- the Ws became horrible and I only just managed to eke out the win by 0.45 seconds. I'm not sure the Ws were in fact the best choice.

As far as the cars go, the Aston Martin is awful at this track -- at least in my hands. On the dry track, it just wants to understeer off at every corner. I've to lift around so many corners that can be taken flat out in other cars. It has good brakes, though. I'll give it that. My best lap was 2:22.0. In the rain it seems to do okay -- 2:40s on IMs and 2:37s on W in the heavy rain.

The Renault feels much better on the dry track. Best lap was a 2:20.6. Not stellar by any means, but probably good enough for mid-B American lobbies. In the rain, I was surprised at how difficult the car was to control on the Ws, even when the moisture gauge was in the blue range. I managed a 2:36 in the heavy rain, but that was only slightly better than the IMs. I was hitting 2:37s on those, even in the heavy rain. I feel like IMs are going to be the way to go in this car if I get rain in my race.

As always, good luck to everybody racing. Hope to see some of you in my races tomorrow.
 
Wouldn't that be rubber from slicks left on the track? I've heard that it tends to be really slippery on rubbered in surface when rain comes IRL.
The entire width was treacherous. I know sometimes you can get away with the wet line (the rougher parts of the track with less rubber) if it's not toooo wet yet and the dry line hasn't appeared, but I'm talking inters on 1/3 rain gauge and I may as well have been floating around on a pond.
 
Again a very handy lap guide for dry & wet conditions for the Manu event tomorrow by the amazing Calster 25. If anyone is nervous for the wet weather racing or is keen to learn which driving line to adapt to, do check from 9:53. Calster explains the difference about driving on the racing line & avoiding the racing line in wet conditions. The difference is some 2 & 1/2 seconds by just avoiding the racing line.

 
I finally got around to doing some practice last night for tomorrow's round at Spa. I just did a 20-lap stint in Free Practice with each of my chosen manufacturers - Aston Martin and Renault.

As far as I can tell, the weather is an exact repeat of the race we had last season, with three stages of weather:
  1. Dry track - Laps 1-5 - Guaranteed no rain at the start of the race
  2. Dynamic heavy rain - Laps 6-15 - The rain is dynamic/random, so it could range anywhere from none to heavy. In Free Practice, if it does rain, the moisture gauge will hit the second tick and likely go slightly higher into the blue stuff. In the actual race, with the additional cars drying out the track, the moisture levels can fall into the middle range when the rain is lighter.
  3. Dynamic light rain - Laps 16-20 - Again, the rain is dynamic/random, ranging from none to light. In Free Practice, if there was heavy rain the previous stage, the moisture gauge stays pinned, or at least close, to the second tick mark. In the actual race, with more cars, the track can dry below the first tick mark, if memory serves.
When we had this race last season, I won a rainy one in the Subaru BRZ when I was the only driver to switch to W. Everybody else picked IMs. The Ws were great for the second stage and I was able to build a 15-second gap to the cars behind, but as the track dried out -- much more and much faster than I expected -- the Ws became horrible and I only just managed to eke out the win by 0.45 seconds. I'm not sure the Ws were in fact the best choice.

As far as the cars go, the Aston Martin is awful at this track -- at least in my hands. On the dry track, it just wants to understeer off at every corner. I've to lift around so many corners that can be taken flat out in other cars. It has good brakes, though. I'll give it that. My best lap was 2:22.0. In the rain it seems to do okay -- 2:40s on IMs and 2:37s on W in the heavy rain.

The Renault feels much better on the dry track. Best lap was a 2:20.6. Not stellar by any means, but probably good enough for mid-B American lobbies. In the rain, I was surprised at how difficult the car was to control on the Ws, even when the moisture gauge was in the blue range. I managed a 2:36 in the heavy rain, but that was only slightly better than the IMs. I was hitting 2:37s on those, even in the heavy rain. I feel like IMs are going to be the way to go in this car if I get rain in my race.

As always, good luck to everybody racing. Hope to see some of you in my races tomorrow.
Are you sure? I've quit and reloaded practice a bunch of times and the weather is different every time.
 
Are you sure? I've quit and reloaded practice a bunch of times and the weather is different every time.
Yes it is different every time, but it seems to follow a pattern. From what I've seen, the race always starts dry. Then there is a stripe of dynamic heavy rain -- might be pouring, might be nothing -- followed by lighter or no rain. The two weather zones are sometimes very obvious on the radar and sometimes nicely blended together, but it always looks to me like the front edge of the weather is heavier than what comes after.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm seeing patterns where there aren't any. It wouldn't be the first time.
 
Yes it is different every time, but it seems to follow a pattern. From what I've seen, the race always starts dry. Then there is a stripe of dynamic heavy rain -- might be pouring, might be nothing -- followed by lighter or no rain. The two weather zones are sometimes very obvious on the radar and sometimes nicely blended together, but it always looks to me like the front edge of the weather is heavier than what comes after.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm seeing patterns where there aren't any. It wouldn't be the first time.
Yeah sorry I realised I didn't read your post properly. I've had a few lobbies where there's only a very thin (and/or oddly shaped) bit of light blue that either barely hits or doesn't touch the track. They probably count as a dry race with a bit of sky dressing, but in the resetting I've done I seem to get more dry than wet conditions.

I'm also glad you said you won on wets the last time, because the last time this came up my testing said I would be better on wets but I bottled it, went for inters and only managed 2nd. Hopefully I get a lot of rain and manage to catch people out because the second-lightest blue is definitely wet tyre weather, it just needs to last.
 
Don't worry @Moose78 , I'm finding the Aston slower than a quiet day in M's office too. Rather dispiriting seeing drivers you know you should be able to compete with just drive away from you.

I have to do this round too as I missed the 'ring on Saturday due to being in hospital. Always assume an Uber Eats driver is out to kill you, kids, and drive accordingly...

Both Astons are rubbish, I tried the DBR9 too and that was even more of an understeer monster. Good on fuel though.

I shall just go early and hope for plenty of rain. Otherwise my DR is gonna end up both shaken and stirred.
 
I finally got around to doing some practice last night for tomorrow's round at Spa. I just did a 20-lap stint in Free Practice with each of my chosen manufacturers - Aston Martin and Renault.

As far as I can tell, the weather is an exact repeat of the race we had last season, with three stages of weather:
  1. Dry track - Laps 1-5 - Guaranteed no rain at the start of the race
  2. Dynamic heavy rain - Laps 6-15 - The rain is dynamic/random, so it could range anywhere from none to heavy. In Free Practice, if it does rain, the moisture gauge will hit the second tick and likely go slightly higher into the blue stuff. In the actual race, with the additional cars drying out the track, the moisture levels can fall into the middle range when the rain is lighter.
  3. Dynamic light rain - Laps 16-20 - Again, the rain is dynamic/random, ranging from none to light. In Free Practice, if there was heavy rain the previous stage, the moisture gauge stays pinned, or at least close, to the second tick mark. In the actual race, with more cars, the track can dry below the first tick mark, if memory serves.
When we had this race last season, I won a rainy one in the Subaru BRZ when I was the only driver to switch to W. Everybody else picked IMs. The Ws were great for the second stage and I was able to build a 15-second gap to the cars behind, but as the track dried out -- much more and much faster than I expected -- the Ws became horrible and I only just managed to eke out the win by 0.45 seconds. I'm not sure the Ws were in fact the best choice.

As far as the cars go, the Aston Martin is awful at this track -- at least in my hands. On the dry track, it just wants to understeer off at every corner. I've to lift around so many corners that can be taken flat out in other cars. It has good brakes, though. I'll give it that. My best lap was 2:22.0. In the rain it seems to do okay -- 2:40s on IMs and 2:37s on W in the heavy rain.

The Renault feels much better on the dry track. Best lap was a 2:20.6. Not stellar by any means, but probably good enough for mid-B American lobbies. In the rain, I was surprised at how difficult the car was to control on the Ws, even when the moisture gauge was in the blue range. I managed a 2:36 in the heavy rain, but that was only slightly better than the IMs. I was hitting 2:37s on those, even in the heavy rain. I feel like IMs are going to be the way to go in this car if I get rain in my race.

As always, good luck to everybody racing. Hope to see some of you in my races tomorrow.
I have done a test this afternoon and finally the rain.
Even if on the radar was just a light blue and a very small piece of dark blue, the gauge reached the second bar very quickly and last for almost all the race adter lap 5.
I changed tires at lap 6 and it was already too late.
I tried first the Inters and I was not really confortable so after only one lap I changed to Wets and this I think will be my choice in any case.
The uncofortable truth is that I am quite slow under the rain. I loose a lot of time to "find the wet line", so I am driving like to reach a specific point mechanically and not driving in a smooth way.

Capable to lap at 2:20.3 when dry, I lap not less than 2:40/42 when raining... and I think it is too slow...
...not really big expectations for tomorrow...

Don't worry @Moose78 , I'm finding the Aston slower than a quiet day in M's office too. Rather dispiriting seeing drivers you know you should be able to compete with just drive away from you.

I have to do this round too as I missed the 'ring on Saturday due to being in hospital. Always assume an Uber Eats driver is out to kill you, kids, and drive accordingly...

Both Astons are rubbish, I tried the DBR9 too and that was even more of an understeer monster. Good on fuel though.

I shall just go early and hope for plenty of rain. Otherwise my DR is gonna end up both shaken and stirred.
The most important news is that you are ok and in good health!
Enjoy the race as this will come!
 
Im excited for tomorrow! I am really unsure wether to go for inters or wets, dont want to get stuck on wets on a drying track... Then again I've never had a rainy race without some kind of incident in my year of playing sports mode. All i really want for tomorrow is a clean rainy race.
Thanks for all the great info and testing on this thread. Best of luck tomorrow!
 
If I'm assuming right so the dynamic weather will be at random & some will experience rain while some won't? Usually, the weather pattern would/should remain same so as to present similar scenario to everyone.

It's not like this where those who experience rain in their race will earn more points on average than those who didn't experience any?

I've practiced qualy laps for the Manu event. All the times I've experienced dry weather. The only thing that would change for certain is wind direction & speed. Will the wind direction & speed will same for everyone still? Am asking because depending on the direction, one can get very good tailwind speed going through the kemmel straight as compared to getting a headwind.
 
If I'm assuming right so the dynamic weather will be at random & some will experience rain while some won't? Usually, the weather pattern would/should remain same so as to present similar scenario to everyone.

It's not like this where those who experience rain in their race will earn more points on average than those who didn't experience any?

I've practiced qualy laps for the Manu event. All the times I've experienced dry weather. The only thing that would change for certain is wind direction & speed. Will the wind direction & speed will same for everyone still? Am asking because depending on the direction, one can get very good tailwind speed going through the kemmel straight as compared to getting a headwind.
I can't fully answer your question, but the weather can vary from race to race. I think this happened at a Red Bull race. One of the forum members wrote that it was raining at the start, so I started the race on rain tires, but it was completely dry. I left the race and tried another slot, and there it was already raining at the start.
 
Thank for all the testing @Moose78 again and the other folks. Am I right that the weather from the free practice when joining an actual race is like the weather in the race itself? Because the 15 minutes then would be enough to see what's coming...
 
I took part just a while back in a lobby race that had similar weather settings for the race duration.

We all started on RM. Around Lap 7, clouds starting closing in. As it got closest to the race track (end of lap 9), the leading duo & myself (I was in 3rd) headed to the pits & put on W as radar showed heavy rain on the way. As I exited the pits at start of lap 10, it was drizzling before the kemmel straight & got heavy in sector 2.

On lap 17, the rain eased off enough to become mild drizzle & then stop. The track was wet enough. So I decided to analyze the track lap by lap to see if it gets dry enough for IM. I also noticed that even when the rain stopped & when the track was drying slowly, the W tyres weren't wearing out much. Plus, there the outside of the racing line was wet enough to keep the W tyres cool & in working condition.

I was tempted to go in for IM tyres as 4th placed driver was 30+ seconds behind. But because the W tyres were holding on & because the track was still quite wet on all parts except racing line. Had the rain stopped on lap 14 or 15, I would've headed to the pits again for IM but because I had 3 or 4 laps to complete, I continued on W which worked out for me.

So the dynamic weather seems will be loads of fun. I prefer it this was instead of the scripted weather that we had at Dragon Trail (R2). At least, the surprise element will make the race worth cherishing.
 
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