Gran Turismo World Series discussion

[Corwenho46]

Even if the wear isn't much, tire wear being on at all means tire heat is a factor, which it isn't in practice.

It's a tiny factor over 2 laps of qualifying, yes. But when everyone else you are racing is doing the same as practice and you are two seconds off and the game is timing your lap differently to your stopwatch there is clearly something wrong.

 

[Blade_Rudder]

This is not true. Fuel off means empty tank, you can see this if you look at the top guys quali times being faster than their race times. I've just done the latest time trial with the 911 at Spa and everything was fine, I did 17.9 on medium with no fuel. In the Manufacturers Cup race a couple of weeks ago I was doing 2:22 at the start of the race with mediums and full fuel, fuel does not make 4 seconds a lap difference.

Clearly it seems no one has seen this before, I can't find anything on the internet about it. I will try to upload a video or the replay at least from the Gr3 race.

I agreed fuel off means an empty tank. My point being that isn't what the race details said about quali and the race. Fuel usage might be off in quali, but that is not the same as an empty tank, it states initial fuel as ‘same as the race’. You also need to consider tyre wear and whether, as others have mentioned. It seems unlikely that you consistently experience a perceived bug that no one else has. There will be a logical explanation if you review all of the variables.

 

[Corwenho46]

I agreed fuel off means an empty tank. My point being that isn't what the race details said about quali and the race. Fuel usage might be off in quali, but that is not the same as an empty tank, it states initial fuel as ‘same as the race’. You also need to consider tyre wear and whether, as others have mentioned. It seems unlikely that you consistently experience a perceived bug that no one else has. There will be a logical explanation if you review all of the variables.

Not sure what race you are referring to but definitely in all the Manu Cup/Nations Cup races quali is with 0 fuel and race starts with 100. You can see the top guys are faster in quali than race start, if you did quali with race fuel it would be the other way around. Either way I am 2 seconds off in both quali and race so it's a consistent problem.

I agree this seems incredibly unlikely and seems ridiculous, but I have been doing the same for 15 years or so at the same level and now randomly on one track in online I am way off. Except I'm not way off, the car feels the same and goes round the track in the time I expect if I time it myself but the game says no, you were 2 seconds or so slower than that. Anyway I'll try to show the replay.

 

[Blade_Rudder]

Not sure what race you are referring to but definitely in all the Manu Cup/Nations Cup races quali is with 0 fuel and race starts with 100. You can see the top guys are faster in quali than race start, if you did quali with race fuel it would be the other way around. Either way I am 2 seconds off in both quali and race so it's a consistent problem.

I agree this seems incredibly unlikely and seems ridiculous, but I have been doing the same for 15 years or so at the same level and now randomly on one track in online I am way off. Except I'm not way off, the car feels the same and goes round the track in the time I expect if I time it myself but the game says no, you were 2 seconds or so slower than that. Anyway I'll try to show the replay.

My reference is the race details menu on my console. I am looking at Nations cup race details as I type and in the Qualifier Settings section the value for Initial Fuel is “Same as During the Race”.
Another variable to consider is slipstream, it is usually off for qualifying and on in some form for the race.

 

[Corwenho46]

Here is the bugged race from a couple of weeks ago. The video starts when the race timer starts, the video is 47:15 long for my whole race yet the race timer says I completed the race in 47:41. All kinds of strange stuff happens on lap 1, a guy teleports past me straight away into turn 1 and then uses his nitro apparently on the exit to pull away. Then a guy lags into me and sends me up to 190mph in a car that maxes out at 160 or so. I explain more in the video description.



Second video is me jumping on the game today with no practice basically repeating laps 2 and 3 of the same race with the same settings and doing 2:19s where I was struggling to get in 2:21s in the race. I actually did another lap and did an 18.7 I think. The easiest comparison is to watch sector 1 of lap 3 on both videos, exactly the same turn 1 and actually slightly faster on the straight in the main race because of the tailwind and yet nearly 0.8s difference. I've watched both sectors side by side to each other and they are the same yet the game says 0.8 slower.

Never seen anything like this but now had it 3 races running only on one track.

 

[Famine]

All kinds of strange stuff happens on lap 1, a guy teleports past me straight away into turn 1 and then uses his nitro apparently on the exit to pull away. Then a guy lags into me and sends me up to 190mph in a car that maxes out at 160 or so.

With the races in GTWS being fixed server (rather than mesh P2P with Daily Races), people with poor connections tend to come out a bit more, and that all looks like poor connection stuff.

From what I can see I don't think it's on you, but it's always worth optimising:

Thread 'READ ME FIRST: Gran Turismo 7 Connection Issues'

Mar 16, 2022

Gran Turismo 7, it seems, follows in the fine traditions of GT Sport, GT6, GT5, and even GT5P in being a bit sensitive to network environments. A connection that's fine one day (or hour) might be ropey the next, and while there's a lot of things that might be out of your control, the best way to improve your experience is to make sure the bits that you can control are as good as they can be.

You don't need much technical knowledge at all to optimise your own network environment and make it as stable and friendly as possible. Here's a quick guide to doing so which will resolve many...

• Famine
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• Forum: Gran Turismo 7

The video starts when the race timer starts, the video is 47:15 long for my whole race yet the race timer says I completed the race in 47:41.

Could be a frame-rate mismatch. What did you use to encode the video?

 

[Corwenho46]

With the races in GTWS being fixed server (rather than mesh P2P with Daily Races), people with poor connections tend to come out a bit more, and that all looks like poor connection stuff.

From what I can see I don't think it's on you, but it's always worth optimising:

Thread 'READ ME FIRST: Gran Turismo 7 Connection Issues'

Mar 16, 2022

Gran Turismo 7, it seems, follows in the fine traditions of GT Sport, GT6, GT5, and even GT5P in being a bit sensitive to network environments. A connection that's fine one day (or hour) might be ropey the next, and while there's a lot of things that might be out of your control, the best way to improve your experience is to make sure the bits that you can control are as good as they can be.

You don't need much technical knowledge at all to optimise your own network environment and make it as stable and friendly as possible. Here's a quick guide to doing so which will resolve many...

• Famine
• Replies: 0
• Forum: Gran Turismo 7

Could be a frame-rate mismatch. What did you use to encode the video?

Thanks for the suggestions. I've always had a good connection and for some reason this has only happened at Spa recently, never had any problems before.

With regards to the video it's just a video capture of the replay uploaded straight to Youtube (i'm on PS4, not sure if that also has anything to do with it). But I've watched the replay myself and timed my race and got 47:15 there as well.

 

[DespicableBee]

I am guessing tomorrow is going to be pure survival mode 🤣🤣 personally i think i will just skip QT and start at the back with the intention of picking up spots from mistakes. It just seems like it will be pure chaos in the lobbies i will be in 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

 

[Thorson1987]

I am guessing tomorrow is going to be pure survival mode 🤣🤣 personally i think i will just skip QT and start at the back with the intention of picking up spots from mistakes. It just seems like it will be pure chaos in the lobbies i will be in 🤷‍♂️🤷‍♂️

Did a bit of practice yesterday.

These cars + tight track = carnage.

At least it's going to be dry.

 

[DespicableBee]

Did a bit of practice yesterday.

These cars + tight track = carnage.

At least it's going to be dry.

Purely out of interest, what times did you manage?

 

[Thorson1987]

Purely out of interest, what times did you manage?

1:19.7

Felt there was a bit more to gain aswell, but only had a quick session.

 

[ZEE]

This is my highlights video of my Nations cup race in Round 1 Race at Spa, looking forward to RD 2 at CGV although i know it wlll be a death chickaneees all the way!!!!

 

[Thorson1987]

I'm glad I qualified close to the front.

Such a difficult course to overtake in these cars.

 

[Moose78]

I was just watching the stream from a DR C race. That first lap was absolute chaos. Stay safe out there friends! And good luck!

 

[VillaJ100]

Just about to do mine. Is the 'door' what number in the list you are?

Going to keep on TC1 as this car doesn't listen

 

[Famine]

Just about to do mine. Is the 'door' what number in the list you are?

It's your DR rank, but only if you are (and everyone else is) at B or A. Any other DR letter and it might not be.

 

[VillaJ100]

Ahhh I'm B so must have been door 7.

Qualified very bad, 2 mistakes and a ram meant I came in 14th. However was so far back avoided most of the carnage and was 8th after lap 1. Others ahead made mistakes and I moved to 4th at one point, however one came back to reel me in. Kept it clean with no mistakes or penalties, TC1 for first 10 laps then 2 as grip fell off slightly. Finished 5th with a fastest lap of 1:20.3, 7 seconds behind 4th and ahead of 6th, 30 secs behind winner.

 

[SpacedInvader]

This car with this track is an invitation for idiots to fill their boots... Why give them what they want, PD?

In B lobbies lap 1 is absolute carnage. And watch out for people who'll try to punt you into the pitlane or the (new) barriers at the final chicane if you have anyone close behind on any lap.

 

[Hdbd04]

Didn't do any practise prior because why would you. When doing it for an hour before the race seems reasonable. Qualified 12th, ended P6. 171 points earned, for something I reduce my FFB to 2 because it was uncomfortable in the straights.

Here's something interesting that happened on the first corners. Do you think the penalty is justified?

 

[Zorz]

Here's something interesting that happened on the first corners. Do you think the penalty is justified?

That start is nightmare fuel. I am dreading this later, and I haven't been able to find a practice lobby to get a feel for the rolling start and following another car.

The penalty is really awkward. Part of me wants to say justified due to the repeated collisions after the hairpin but where on earth were the Thai and Japanese drivers supposed to go with all that damage?

 

[ZEE]

GTWS NATIONS RD 2 - EMEA Region - C lobby - UK Driver - RB X2019 25TH Anniver model - Qialified 14th - finsihed 6th - TC-2

OK just did the 12pm slot and it was a ugly slugfest come lap 1 turn 1, and subsequent other laps it was chasing the leader rubbish, after the destruction left bu tthe U turns and chicanes, seriously PD if you introduce a new course, please at least use cars that make it more fun and competitive, touring cars wud have been so much more fun liek the dailys we had a couple week back, this RB X2019 feels so out of place here.

I managed to finish 6th place overall depsite being bumped on lap 1 but overall a quick almost pointless feeling sprint race. Also coudl not save my replay due to the Games restictive storage for it.

 

[Hdbd04]

The penalty is really awkward. Part of me wants to say justified due to the repeated collisions after the hairpin but where on earth were the Thai and Japanese drivers supposed to go with all that damage?

Other than the long straights to slow down aside, there's probably no choice but to continue on, rather than slow down as an apology.

Add that with how everyone wanted to push forward while battling the car's wheelspin was going to end up as a disaster anyway. It's only later on when the field is even out where it becomes 'comfortable' to drive to say the least!

 

[afc5150]

GT2 slot 1 in North America. I drew door #1 in a really low point lobby as my SR took a hit after my 2 disastrous attempts at Spa in round 1.

Went Q9 to P4 in a race that was pretty chaotic with lots of spinners and crashers.

Happy with the result, and recovering my SR, but not so happy with only 65 points. Might go again.

 

[Moose78]

Well, that was an unmitigated disaster.

GT2 - North America - 11AM EST - 111 points available - Door #4 - Q5 (1:19.511)

I made it though turns 1 and 2, and only just began hoping that I might have a good race when I was struck from behind going into turn 3, leaving me with rear aero and suspension damage. The driver who hit me had the good manners to let me keep my spot, at least until we got through turn 6.

The real trouble started at turn 8, when somebody behind braked too late and went into my back end. My car spun, leaving me facing backwards. By the time I got it turned back around I was in dead last with a fair gap to the cars ahead.

I didn't take me too long to cars ahead, but another incident sent me to be back once again. At that point, I was done with it. I drove out the rest of laps as best I could with a P12 finish for 60 points and a 3.0% drop to DR B progress to 65.5%. I have no appetite to try that mess again.

 

[Zorz]

I did it. I got incredibly lucky. I'm not going anywhere near that again. This has to be one of the most difficult car/track combos in GTWS history, surely?

I went into this thinking I should be in for a safe shot at qualifying near the front with my global leaderboard time. I got humbled pretty damn quick starting P10. My qualifying was a bit off my personal best but there were some seriously rapid people in there.

Lap 1 was a bloodbath. I had to step well outside my comfort zone at the start of the race and make a pass around the outside of the German starting P9 at turn 1. Considering how I'm very much a "calm down and settle in" kind of racer, that was a nasty wake up call. The T3/T4 chicane killed an Italian and a Hungarian, then a Brit carrying a track limits penalty spun out at turn 6 and I went through a ghosted Austrian who was trying to avoid him. From P10 to P5 in a sector and a bit.

Amazing start for me, except my nerves went into overdrive. This is the first time I've ever raced CGV online and I felt it. I get a bit anxious in VR when I know there's someone right behind me because I'm scared they'll go for a move and I won't see it. The Austrian was right up my rear bumper and I suddenly couldn't drive right, fearful of having to try to go 2-wide on such a tight, technical track.

Seeing things like this out of the corner of my eye on the radar coming out of the hairpin also did not help:

Having so many people behind me who were clearly quicker than me shook me up, hard. And apparently I'm rather cautious through the chicane at the Wall of Champions since I aim to avoid the sausage kerbs entirely, which I think caused some chaos behind me. Seems like some people try to ride the one on the right?

I had someone right up behind me for a while, but I eventually managed to get away and my nerves eventually calmed somewhat which meant my pace picked up considerably. The rest of the race ended up being relatively lonely with P4 a few seconds ahead and P6 a few seconds back, until I saw some yellow flags at the T8/T9 chicane. A Brit must have crashed, but I wasn't close enough to do anything with it.

P5, 225 points. Get me the hell out of here.

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[FlapJackFlash]

GT1 EMEA 1st slot low A lobby

Track I don't like + car I'm slow in + no time to practice = phasers set to low expectations. Couldn't get a qualifying lap in without either mine or someone else's mistake slowing things down so put in a 1.20 for 12th place.

I decided I was just going to drive to survive and like a shy child at a school disco, not attempt any moves. Gained a few places from the inevitable spins and got myself to 7th. The spinners started catching up though and I let one pass easily, then in the final laps another caught me - I probably could have held them off for the final lap but decided a 9th was better then nothing and let them go. 106 points and a DR loss but didn't make any big mistakes which I'm counting as a win here.

 

[stpatty]

Having so many people behind me who were clearly quicker than me shook me up, hard. And apparently I'm rather cautious through the chicane at the Wall of Champions since I aim to avoid the sausage kerbs entirely, which I think caused some chaos behind me. Seems like some people try to ride the one on the right?

Gallo is the top time with a replay on the board, I was watching him and he took a lot more of the right than the left. As usual, any time I attack a kerb in that way the result is a lottery. I think I'm just going to shut my eyes and pray at every corner.

 

[Qronicle]

Yeah I hate this race. Pretty much impossible to overtake cleanly, so it seems like people aren’t even trying. Absolute horrors on track. (High GT2 lobbies)

And tbh I don’t know either, even with lap delta differences of 1 second the only thing I can do is try and look manacing in the mirrors and prey they make a mistake without taking a few other people out.

Edit: Managed to get fifth in what should always have been a podium after taking pole, but I’ll take it.

 

[DespicableBee]

Well that was unexpected 🤣🤣🤣

I genuinely was not expecting anything from this round as i really cannot get to grips with the car. I qualified P2 00.007s off P1 which i was delighted with.
The race was very straightforward and all i had to do was keep it out of the 'wall of champions' and pointing in the right direction which i did.
P1 was very quick and it made no sense to even attempt to push on so i just settled down and ran a lonely race to come home P2 and pick up a CRB too.
Never again am i driving this yoke.....longest 20 minutes of my life 🤣🤣🤣

 

[stpatty]

Just a fundamentally stupid combo. Two attempts, don't know how I managed to avoid a DR reset. Picture taken moments before a bump for a 5 second penalty.