Gran Turismo World Series discussion

[K31thc0m]

Nations standings as of Round 3

damn asia region is really diverse

 

[Hdbd04]

A good and clean race, with SR being turned off???

 

[BBerlingo]

A good and clean race, with SR being turned off???

I watched Calsters stream at Spa and I believe one of the top drivers got a DR reset after one race because of a SR drop. It seems to me the speed of the cars make unintentional incidents more likely but also the SR drop seems to be harsher in the faster cars? Idk, round 1 fallout may be the reason for this change.

 

[GTWolverine]

Great...so this will just be Route X with braking zones...why not at least turn damage off too if there's no consequences for bad behavior?

 

[stpatty]

After the last round in the X2019 my SR was in the toilet, so I think first was only worth 170-ish. I actually practiced for this race and felt like I was getting the hang of the car and the ridiculous track limits (or lack thereof), so I felt quite good. I qualified 5th, two tenths off pole. The first two laps were a complete catastrophe.

I've said it before but in my brief excursions down here, I don't know how anyone plays this game below SR S. Usually you can tell how or why someone's driving badly - they can't handle other cars, they're deliberately dirty, they're struggling, whatever, but at low SR people just don't seem to have any spatial awareness. They don't seem able to tell what's going to happen with the other cars around them. I probably lost a good ten seconds across the first two laps.

I ended up fighting back and finishing 5th. My SR still isn't maxed out again, probably because of all the contact I still managed to have.

 

[VTEC Driver]

A good and clean race, with SR being turned off???

I hope that at least penalties for kicking out a car will still be there… otherwise it will be a pure demolition derby race…

 

[D_Dragline]

Its looking like the strategy options for this next round at St Croix are going to be pretty limited. For me, the fuel lasts 15 laps without fuel saving and the soft tires last 10 laps before completely wearing out. To get to the 24 laps driving normally, my only options are 9RS-15RM or 10RS-14RM.

I did some tests on the weekend and last night before the weather settings were known. I used Late Morning S03. It looks like actual settings will be Evening S01. Maybe that will help the tires last a bit longer on the RS sprint. I'll need to go back and do more testing.

Here's how things are looking from my early tests, anyway:

Tire compound	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
RS	11​	1:39.744​	1:40.550​	1:42.821​	18:51.027​
RM	15​	1:39.919​	1:40.296​	1:41.435​	25:21.519​

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Spoiler: Raw data

Lap	RS	RM
1​	1:42.337​	1:42.888​
2​	1:41.376​	1:41.748​
3​	1:40.550​	1:41.986​
4​	1:40.713​	1:41.830​
5​	1:40.630​	1:41.378​
6​	1:40.754​	1:41.000​
7​	1:41.080​	1:41.426​
8​	1:41.166​	1:41.339​
9​	1:42.600​	1:41.157​
10​	1:42.169​	1:41.460​
11​	1:57.652​	1:40.656​
12​	1:41.593​
13​	1:41.460​
14​	1:41.302​
15​	1:40.296​

Tire tread and fuel levels at finish:

Tire compound	Laps	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right	Fuel
RS	11​	10%​	20%​	0%​	0%​	27.3%​
RM	15​	35%​	40%​	25%​	40%​	1.3%​

Simulated strategies:

Strategy	Total time
9RS-15RM	40:32.725​
10RS-14RM	40:34.598​
11RS-13RM	40:50.948​

For the soft stint, I found that the tires started getting pretty sketchy on lap 9 already. In 2 of my 3 test stints, I went for a spin on lap 9. The same for lap 10. And once the tires fully go on lap 11, the car became completely undriveable, spinning if I even looked at the gas pedal. If these conditions hold for the actual race, I am getting off the softs as soon as I can, at 9 laps, and put them at the end so that the reduced fuel weight helps them last a bit longer.

One thing that might be interesting to try is fuel-saving out another lap on the mediums. I might do some tests there to see if it is worth it, but I have my doubts.

I don’t understand the lap data. 15 laps on softs and lap 15 is the quickest?

I am struggling to get 14 laps out of a fuel tank and my softs are only lasting 9 laps.

Tempting to test an 8/8/8 strat and see if that’s competitive.

 

[Met Entso]

I don’t understand the lap data. 15 laps on softs and lap 15 is the quickest?

I am struggling to get 14 laps out of a fuel tank and my softs are only lasting 9 laps.

Tempting to test an 8/8/8 strat and see if that’s competitive.

Me too,,, I can only do 10 laps being careful with fuel
edit: I had the wrong fuel settings 🤦‍♂️

 

[FlapJackFlash]

I don’t understand the lap data. 15 laps on softs and lap 15 is the quickest?

I am struggling to get 14 laps out of a fuel tank and my softs are only lasting 9 laps.

Tempting to test an 8/8/8 strat and see if that’s competitive.

Glad I'm not the only one - I definitely can't keep the tyres alive for a 2 stop, no one in the lobby races I've done could do either

Edit: I meant 1 stop! Definitely can keep the tyres alive for a 2 stop

 

[tankuroded]

damn asia region is really diverse

Knowing this sarcasm, I had idea to put Asia (and NA) back to 2 slots and impose a 1 driver per country limit on them and C/SA region as well.

 

[Moose78]

I don’t understand the lap data. 15 laps on softs and lap 15 is the quickest?

I am struggling to get 14 laps out of a fuel tank and my softs are only lasting 9 laps.

Tempting to test an 8/8/8 strat and see if that’s competitive.

I'm guessing it was due to the change in fuel weight. As the car gets lighter over the course of the stint, the laps got progressively faster.

FWIW, I managed to stretch out the medium stint to 16 laps last night with some light fuel saving -- just short shifting as the rev bar tops out. I'm apparently driving this course differently than most people too. Compared to the fastest replay I could find on the leader board yesterday, I'm doing a lot more lifting and coasting through corners than the fastest drivers. For example, I just lift and coast through the long downhill right-hander in 5th gear after the bridge. It makes me a lot slower, but apparently helps save fuel and tires.

 

[Met Entso]

I'm guessing it was due to the change in fuel weight. As the car gets lighter over the course of the stint, the laps got progressively faster.

FWIW, I managed to stretch out the medium stint to 16 laps last night with some light fuel saving -- just short shifting as the rev bar tops out. I'm apparently driving this course differently than most people too. Compared to the fastest replay I could find on the leader board yesterday, I'm doing a lot more lifting and coasting through corners than the fastest drivers. For example, I just lift and coast through the long downhill right-hander in 5th gear after the bridge. It makes me a lot slower, but apparently helps save fuel and tires.

Would it make sense then to start on mediums and switch to softs later with a lower fuel load?

 

[Moose78]

Would it make sense then to start on mediums and switch to softs later with a lower fuel load?

That's what I'm planning. That is Calster's recommendation in his strategy guide on YouTube, too. He recommends starting on Mediums even if you are on pole.

 

[VTEC Driver]

Would it make sense then to start on mediums and switch to softs later with a lower fuel load?

That's what I'm planning. That is Calster's recommendation in his strategy guide on YouTube, too. He recommends starting on Mediums even if you are on pole.

Being a low B driver (so no skills) I tend to start with a lower performance compound because you can stay on track longer than the others with better tires and I have more time to think about what to do during the race (the window to pit is larger).

Moreover I start often in the middle of the group, so there are fights and the optimal trajectory is a dream...
Normally I lose 3-5 laps in the chaos so the benefit of the best tire is gone when it is time to use it.

I understand that this is not the best suggestion... but it helps to survive for a beginner...

 

[D_Dragline]

I'm guessing it was due to the change in fuel weight. As the car gets lighter over the course of the stint, the laps got progressively faster.

FWIW, I managed to stretch out the medium stint to 16 laps last night with some light fuel saving -- just short shifting as the rev bar tops out. I'm apparently driving this course differently than most people too. Compared to the fastest replay I could find on the leader board yesterday, I'm doing a lot more lifting and coasting through corners than the fastest drivers. For example, I just lift and coast through the long downhill right-hander in 5th gear after the bridge. It makes me a lot slower, but apparently helps save fuel and tires.

But how are you doing 15 laps on softs? Or am I reading your lap data wrong?

 

[Moose78]

For what they're worth, here are some updated results from my tests since finding out what the time of day and weather would be. The new tests were done in the Evening with S15 weather (clear and hazy), which felt to me like it was closest to the conditions in Free Practice. GT-Engine is saying S01, which feels way brighter.

I also added a 16-lap RM test, which required a bit of fuel saving. The 15-lap RM numbers are still the same ones from earlier in the week when I was using Late Morning S03 weather.

Summary:

Tire compound	Laps	Opt time	Best time	Avg time	Total time
RS	11​	1:40.139​	1:40.419​	1:41.222​	18:33.439​
RM	15​	1:39.919​	1:40.296​	1:41.435​	25:21.519​
RM (fuel saving)	16​	1:40.101​	1:40.495​	1:41.407​	27:02.517​

Spoiler: Raw data

Laps	RS	RM	RM (fuel saving)
1​	1:41.250​	1:42.888​	1:42.849​
2​	1:40.787​	1:41.748​	1:41.993​
3​	1:40.591​	1:41.986​	1:42.256​
4​	1:40.419​	1:41.830​	1:41.199​
5​	1:40.973​	1:41.378​	1:41.801​
6​	1:41.204​	1:41.000​	1:41.013​
7​	1:41.420​	1:41.426​	1:40.756​
8​	1:41.238​	1:41.339​	1:41.218​
9​	1:41.517​	1:41.157​	1:41.207​
10​	1:41.355​	1:41.460​	1:40.866​
11​	1:42.685​	1:40.656​	1:40.756​
12​		1:41.593​	1:41.337​
13​		1:41.460​	1:41.350​
14​		1:41.302​	1:40.495​
15​		1:40.296​	1:42.529​
16​			1:40.892​

Tire tread and fuel levels at finish:

Tire compound	Laps	Front left	Front right	Rear left	Rear right	Fuel
RS	11​	0%​	25%​	1%​	20%​	29.0%​
RM	15​	35%​	40%​	25%​	40%​	1.3%​
RM (fuel saving)	16​	35%​	45%​	20%​	40%​	0.4%​

Simulated strategies:

Strategy	Total time
8RS-16RM (fuel saving)	40:30.399​
9RS-15RM	40:30.918​
10RS-14RM	40:31.977​
11RS-13RM	40:33.360​

But how are you doing 15 laps on softs? Or am I reading your lap data wrong?

I'm not. Only 11 on softs.

Oh! I just noticed that something wonky happened with the cut-n-paste into that table. It moved the numbers from laps 12-15 from the RM test into the RS column. I've edited that post to fix it. Hope the same doesn't happen on this one. 😟

Here's a link to the spreadsheet, if things start looking weird in this post: link

Also, good luck to everyone in your race!

 

[ZEE]

Hey all, check out my Round 3 highlights video for the GTWS Nations Cup and I wish everyone all th best for Round 4 tomorrow. Keep it classy with them F3500 cars lol

 

[Thorson1987]

15M 9S.

Someone got the fastest lap on the 2nd last lap off me, but being in VR I didn't know until after the race finished.

 

[Thorson1987]

A good and clean race, with SR being turned off???

Maybe no DR aswell. Or there is a glitch.

 

[Hdbd04]

Maybe no DR aswell. Or there is a glitch.

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Finally, a reason to skip this round!

 

[Thorson1987]

Finally, a reason to skip this round!

Annoying because it would have put my DR to the highest I've ever had it.

 

[MetalApe]

I was awake in bed, so got up and did a 5am race on my alt account down under. I love this combo, big thanks to @Moose78 for the analysis, I was away a bit last week and only did 6 laps practice, so ran my race totally on Mooses's findings.

I went for 16M-8S, the 16 laps is fairly easy to do for anyone on manual gears by short-shifting. I went into this race treating it as a practice run ready for another go or two later this morning. So I'm kind of glad I had a spin that dropped a potential 3rd to a 5th, so I can run again

First and second did successful 15M-9s, 14M-10s stints, so both are also viable, depends if you prefer tyre saving or fuel saving. Next time I think I'll go for 15M-9s if I'm running in clear air, or 16M-8S again if I'm held up behind others.

One big tip I'll give, I refuelled to around 8.5 laps worth for the second stint. Because I'd been fuel saving that presumably messed up their alogorithm for calculating laps worth of fuel, so this wasn't actually enough for flat out running for 8 laps, so more fuel saving required. Next time I'll put 9 laps worth in for the final 8 laps.

Update: Done another race, finished second with a 15M-9S, I'm finding I get better tyre life than Moose managed and could do the 9 laps on softs with no problem. There's quite a few viable strategies here, the winner did 11S-13M, third did 8S-8S-8M

 

[Met Entso]

No DR, SR affected, is this for this round only?

 

[SpacedInvader]

No DR, SR affected, is this for this round only?

Looks like it.

All GTWS races should be non DR/SR, it's good, allows people to not take it too seriously.

 

[Zorz]

Looks like it.

All GTWS races should be non DR/SR, it's good, allows people to not take it too seriously.

Can't help but think that would be a major negative when GTWS is supposed to be the pinnacle of the game's online racing. I'd argue the daily races are there for casual races. GTWS should be serious.

On a personal note, removing DR from GTWS would be a big disincentive from playing GT7 at all but I don't know how much of an outlier I am on that though. I worked my way up from B to A+ through GTWS almost exclusively over the course of several years. I can count the number of daily races I've done over the last 6 years or so on one hand.

Take away the DR and any progression just stops.

 

[Hdbd04]

On a personal note, removing DR from GTWS would be a big disincentive from playing GT7 at all but I don't know how much of an outlier I am on that though. I worked my way up from B to A+ through GTWS almost exclusively over the course of several years. I can count the number of daily races I've done over the last 6 years or so on one hand.

Take away the DR and any progression just stops.

I mean, imagine doing an hour's worth of qualifying and racing to progress nothing in return? I actually skipped the round after seeing a local GT1 stream with the DR being intact.

 

[stpatty]

The SR and DR being turned off just shows PD don't have a clue what they're doing. We criticised the schedule when it was announced because it was repetitive. The aliens complained because one of them got an SR reset at Spa. So they change the settings for this race when it's not going to have the same problems because it's in the dry and on a track that's about three times as wide.

This GTWS season seems to have started with minimal effort, then making it up as they go along when it turns out actually it's not very good. Fortunately I love St. Croix and I'm going to get a result here if it kills me.

 

[Moose78]

It looks to me like disabling DR was unintentional. In the race details, the game is still showing that DR is affected, but SR is not. If they meant to turn off both, I don't know why they would only change one in the race details.

On the other hand, maybe they intended to disable both and made the mistake in the details page.

Who knows? It's PD.

Of course, the website is still showing both DR and SR as being affected.

Regardless, I'm not about to change how I drive because of the DR/SR settings. I'll aim to drive fast and clean, just like I usually do. Maybe I'm naive, but I expect most drivers will do the same. There will of course be a few rotten souls that take it as a license to drive dirty, but in my experience the vast majority drivers on the track seem to be trying to race cleanly. I don't expect this race to be much different.

 

[SpeedyCTR]

Wading in as relative newbie but got to B rank pretty quickly, mainly from GTWS results. Kinda gutted as I came 3rd and expected my DR to rise, on the daily’s my ranking is plummeting like a stone for some reason. I think i treat them too casually but go all in for the GTWS. Anyway PD keep stirring the pot it seems!! All good fun eh?!

 

[SpacedInvader]

Can't help but think that would be a major negative when GTWS is supposed to be the pinnacle of the game's online racing. I'd argue the daily races are there for casual races. GTWS should be serious.

On a personal note, removing DR from GTWS would be a big disincentive from playing GT7 at all but I don't know how much of an outlier I am on that though. I worked my way up from B to A+ through GTWS almost exclusively over the course of several years. I can count the number of daily races I've done over the last 6 years or so on one hand.

Take away the DR and any progression just stops.

I get you, but the people who do dailies mostly do GTWS too. GTWS has its points system, DR and SR should be only for dailies. Would mean more top players (like you?) appearing alongside the plebs in dailies to maintain their DR/SR perhaps.
With DR off today I noticed better behaviour in my races, people seemed less desperate...

GTWS for points. (Maybe SR too, but not DR.)

Dailies for DR and SR.